b52legend
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Post by b52legend on Nov 18, 2009 20:44:39 GMT -5
Old Dominion 75 - Georgetown 62
Georgetown gets hammered at home by a far inferior team. They look sloppy committing 14 turnovers and also get beat on the boards. After beating two pansies, Georgetown loses games to Oregon and Duke, leaving the Hoyas at 4-3 with no quality wins, and little hope for the season ahead......
Of course a Big East title and Final Four appearance lie ahead for that 2006 team.
I am as disappointed as anyone in our performance in the Temple game. We looked awful. But it was one game, and extrapolating deep insights about the season ahead, or the off-season growth of this team is akin to reading Tarot cards. We got a W against a pretty good team, even while playing poorly. That can't be said for the team in 2006 and things turned out decent for that squad.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 18, 2009 20:51:44 GMT -5
I like your thread title, but it has absolutely no place on this board, positive or negative.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Nov 18, 2009 20:54:50 GMT -5
thank you b52
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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 18, 2009 20:57:23 GMT -5
Can someone please cite statistics from the last 2 seasons that indicate that yesterday's game was not an isolated example of the same recurring problems?
If anything "perspective" would mean looking at the team's body of work and assessing whether there are consistent flaws. "Perspective" is not picking out two random games and saying "Look, we did ok after the first one, so no need to worry!"
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Post by guru on Nov 18, 2009 21:06:19 GMT -5
Seriously. It's the second game of the season. Some people on this board really need to get a life.
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b52legend
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Post by b52legend on Nov 18, 2009 21:42:29 GMT -5
Can someone please cite statistics from the last 2 seasons that indicate that yesterday's game was not an isolated example of the same recurring problems? If anything "perspective" would mean looking at the team's body of work and assessing whether there are consistent flaws. "Perspective" is not picking out two random games and saying "Look, we did ok after the first one, so no need to worry!" "isolated example of the same recurring problems" - - What does this even mean. If the problems are "the same" and "recurring" then how can this be an "isolated example"? Secondly, I didn't know that perspective = statistical analysis. I think that perspective can be offered by looking at a roughly analgous situation and then following that through to see what happened. I don't think that some internet poster looking for statistical evidence of deep seeded flaws in an entire basketball philosiphy, and then linking that to one games performance would really provide perspective. Especially when said system has proven to be successful (see final four, BE tourney title, 2 BE regular season titles).
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Post by jgalt on Nov 18, 2009 22:24:45 GMT -5
Can someone please cite statistics from the last 2 seasons that indicate that yesterday's game was not an isolated example of the same recurring problems? If anything "perspective" would mean looking at the team's body of work and assessing whether there are consistent flaws. "Perspective" is not picking out two random games and saying "Look, we did ok after the first one, so no need to worry!" "isolated example of the same recurring problems" - - What does this even mean. If the problems are "the same" and "recurring" then how can this be an "isolated example"? Secondly, I didn't know that perspective = statistical analysis. I think that perspective can be offered by looking at a roughly analgous situation and then following that through to see what happened. I don't think that some internet poster looking for statistical evidence of deep seeded flaws in an entire basketball philosiphy, and then linking that to one games performance would really provide perspective. Especially when said system has proven to be successful (see final four, BE tourney title, 2 BE regular season titles). What strummer is saying is that the events may be correlated, but there is no causation. Losing to ODU did help that team go to the final four, it just happened in the same year. I agree that a bad game now to a team like temple (especially like temple) is not the end of the world and my first thought was the ODU game too, but they dont mean anything about the future success of the team
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Post by cnyhoya on Nov 18, 2009 22:55:36 GMT -5
I guess the "perspective" being offered by b52legend is that a team can play like crap and still go on to have a great year. And I appreciate that sentiment, but it's not exactly a revelation. And it has nothing to do with the legitimate concerns about the strength of this particular team.
But its early. Let's wait to see how this particular season develops...
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 18, 2009 22:59:57 GMT -5
lets have a little faith in our young men yup young men kids 18 and 20 year olds gimme a break and GIVE THEM A BREAK they work there butts off so lets have a little support hear the sky IS NOT FALLING at least not so far lets go we are georgtown and this is OUR freaking team not cuse not nova OUR TEAM .. and i thin coach will know what the heck hes doing maybe a little better than US go hoyas
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 18, 2009 23:24:37 GMT -5
The game that this one most reminded me of, wasn't a loss. It was a Hoyas' victory. And it was equally ugly, and over a team that was probably a lot worse than this year's Temple team. Hoyas 50, South Florida 47 in 2006. sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=260170046The Hoyas were 10-4 at the time, but they'd faded badly down the stretch the year before, missing the tournament. Their best win was over Oregon, who no one expected to be any good, and they were sitting at 2-2 in the Big East, with wins over PC and SJU and had just lost consecutive games to WVU and UConn. Hoyas gave up 9 offensive rebounds and were out rebounded. They shot 27.3% from behind the arc, but still took 22 three pointers (more than half of their 42 shot attempts). The reigning BE ROY only scored 6 points, and was 3-8 from the field and the teams second best post player went 0-4 from the field. The team had 11 turnovers, including 4 by their starting PG, the last of which gave USF the ball down 1 point in the final 10 seconds. It was ugly as all get out. But they held on for the win, learned from it and did alright the next game. ;D Is the same thing going to happen? I don't know. But that was in January and it was as ugly, if not uglier than yesterday's game.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 18, 2009 23:53:37 GMT -5
The game that this one most reminded me of, wasn't a loss. It was a Hoyas' victory. And it was equally ugly, and over a team that was probably a lot worse than this year's Temple team. Hoyas 50, South Florida 47 in 2006. sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=260170046The Hoyas were 10-4 at the time, but they'd faded badly down the stretch the year before, missing the tournament. Their best win was over Oregon, who no one expected to be any good, and they were sitting at 2-2 in the Big East, with wins over PC and SJU and had just lost consecutive games to WVU and UConn. Hoyas gave up 9 offensive rebounds and were out rebounded. They shot 27.3% from behind the arc, but still took 22 three pointers (more than half of their 42 shot attempts). The reigning BE ROY only scored 6 points, and was 3-8 from the field and the teams second best post player went 0-4 from the field. The team had 11 turnovers, including 4 by their starting PG, the last of which gave USF the ball down 1 point in the final 10 seconds. It was ugly as all get out. But they held on for the win, learned from it and did alright the next game. ;D Is the same thing going to happen? I don't know. But that was in January and it was as ugly, if not uglier than yesterday's game. I think some people forget how ugly and bad a lot of our really good teams looked before they figured it out. The problem last year was that group never figured it how. They have a whole season to do so now, socan everyone relax. Geeze, I do not think I have EVER seen a fanbase get so riled up about the second game of the season. Even Syracuse fans were more optimistic after losing to a DII school. Give them a chance to fix the issues before you write them off. Oh and people keep acting like those losses by that 2006-2007 teams were just flukes and games they just played badly in. No, that team was a bad team for a while, they got better, though half the people on this board wrote them off too. And thats what b52's point is. You can be a bad team and turn into a good one.
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Post by greenmachine on Nov 19, 2009 0:17:25 GMT -5
The game that this one most reminded me of, wasn't a loss. It was a Hoyas' victory. And it was equally ugly, and over a team that was probably a lot worse than this year's Temple team. Hoyas 50, South Florida 47 in 2006. sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=260170046The Hoyas were 10-4 at the time, but they'd faded badly down the stretch the year before, missing the tournament. Their best win was over Oregon, who no one expected to be any good, and they were sitting at 2-2 in the Big East, with wins over PC and SJU and had just lost consecutive games to WVU and UConn. Hoyas gave up 9 offensive rebounds and were out rebounded. They shot 27.3% from behind the arc, but still took 22 three pointers (more than half of their 42 shot attempts). The reigning BE ROY only scored 6 points, and was 3-8 from the field and the teams second best post player went 0-4 from the field. The team had 11 turnovers, including 4 by their starting PG, the last of which gave USF the ball down 1 point in the final 10 seconds. It was ugly as all get out. But they held on for the win, learned from it and did alright the next game. ;D Is the same thing going to happen? I don't know. But that was in January and it was as ugly, if not uglier than yesterday's game. One of the ugliest wins I've ever witnessed firsthand, but it was also a beautiful night for DJ Owens. He had half the team's points that night, and that game really kicked him up a notch the rest of the season.
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Post by guru on Nov 19, 2009 1:20:36 GMT -5
The game that this one most reminded me of, wasn't a loss. It was a Hoyas' victory. And it was equally ugly, and over a team that was probably a lot worse than this year's Temple team. Hoyas 50, South Florida 47 in 2006. sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=260170046The Hoyas were 10-4 at the time, but they'd faded badly down the stretch the year before, missing the tournament. Their best win was over Oregon, who no one expected to be any good, and they were sitting at 2-2 in the Big East, with wins over PC and SJU and had just lost consecutive games to WVU and UConn. Hoyas gave up 9 offensive rebounds and were out rebounded. They shot 27.3% from behind the arc, but still took 22 three pointers (more than half of their 42 shot attempts). The reigning BE ROY only scored 6 points, and was 3-8 from the field and the teams second best post player went 0-4 from the field. The team had 11 turnovers, including 4 by their starting PG, the last of which gave USF the ball down 1 point in the final 10 seconds. It was ugly as all get out. But they held on for the win, learned from it and did alright the next game. ;D Is the same thing going to happen? I don't know. But that was in January and it was as ugly, if not uglier than yesterday's game. I think some people forget how ugly and bad a lot of our really good teams looked before they figured it out. The problem last year was that group never figured it how. They have a whole season to do so now, socan everyone relax. Geeze, I do not think I have EVER seen a fanbase get so riled up about the second game of the season. Even Syracuse fans were more optimistic after losing to a DII school. Give them a chance to fix the issues before you write them off. Oh and people keep acting like those losses by that 2006-2007 teams were just flukes and games they just played badly in. No, that team was a bad team for a while, they got better, though half the people on this board wrote them off too. And thats what b52's point is. You can be a bad team and turn into a good one. So true. In fact, one of the most entertaining posters here (hint: He likes to opine IN ALL CAPS FOR EMPHASIS) totally freaked after the loss to Duke in '06 and proclaimed that the team had no chance to make the NCAAs. Hey, it shows the passion of the fanbase I guess, but that doesn't mean it's not annoying.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 19, 2009 6:46:49 GMT -5
we will be ok
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Post by midsouthhoya on Nov 19, 2009 11:07:14 GMT -5
March 17, 1989
Georgetown 50, Princeton 49.
Not saying we should dig deep into comparisons between a November team looking for its identity and a potential champion with the scare of the century. Just sometimes, a victory just has to be gutted out despite how it was supposed to go on paper. I'm just glad we have more time to shake off the damage before facing Duke this time around.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 19, 2009 11:35:37 GMT -5
March 17, 1989 Georgetown 50, Princeton 49. Not saying we should dig deep into comparisons between a November team looking for its identity and a potential champion with the scare of the century. Just sometimes, a victory just has to be gutted out despite how it was supposed to go on paper. I'm just glad we have more time to shake off the damage before facing Duke this time around. Archives of Princeton message boards suggest that their fans blamed the system.
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Post by RDF on Nov 19, 2009 12:46:57 GMT -5
March 17, 1989 Georgetown 50, Princeton 49. Not saying we should dig deep into comparisons between a November team looking for its identity and a potential champion with the scare of the century. Just sometimes, a victory just has to be gutted out despite how it was supposed to go on paper. I'm just glad we have more time to shake off the damage before facing Duke this time around. Not sure how old you are or if you saw this game but this is NOT the game to use as a positive reminder to fans. That game signaled DOOM that was ahead as a Hoya team that was the favorite to win it all and at worst make the Final Four played like pure dog crap the entire NCAA tournament. That team peaked in BET--where they destroyed every team they faced and were playing unreal basketball.
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Post by paranoia2 on Nov 19, 2009 12:57:59 GMT -5
I was at the 50-49 win over Princeton and the Hoyas were booed off the court by the Notre Dame fans there. The Princeton offense is great at thwarting superior athleticism and that game is case in point. It's a little frustrating when it thwarts the superior athletes RUNNING IT.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 19, 2009 13:02:46 GMT -5
I was at the 50-49 win over Princeton and the Hoyas were booed off the court by the Notre Dame fans there. The Princeton offense is great at thwarting superior athleticism and that game is case in point. It's a little frustrating when it thwarts the superior athletes RUNNING IT. Who says we have superior athleticism? [ducks for cover/]
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 19, 2009 13:06:13 GMT -5
There will be a recurring theme this season, after the disappointment of last year. Every ugly game, be it a close win against a mediocre team or a loss, will lead to wailing and gnashing of teeth, predictions of doom and condemnation of the "system". If we have another year like the last one it will be warranted. I believe that will not be the case, that there will be great improvement over the season - but let's not kid ourselves, this board will still screech after every sub-par game.
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