EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Nov 22, 2009 19:15:05 GMT -5
Guess the terrorists have gotten their way. All will now plead not guilty and plan to make it a stage for verbally attacking the U.S.
Way to go, President Obama.
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Post by redskins12820 on Nov 22, 2009 20:14:00 GMT -5
Guess the terrorists have gotten their way. All will now plead not guilty and plan to make it a stage for verbally attacking the U.S. Way to go, President Obama. Yeah, cause they have been unable to verbally attack the U.S. prior to this. Finally I'll know what they are so Editeded about! Should be enlightening. I'm guessing it's the Senate's rules on cloture. That, or the lack of a D.C. rep.
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Post by The Stig on Nov 22, 2009 20:55:28 GMT -5
Guess the terrorists have gotten their way. All will now plead not guilty and plan to make it a stage for verbally attacking the U.S. Way to go, President Obama. Good, they'll be able to make themselves look like fools.
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Post by Boz on Nov 22, 2009 20:58:05 GMT -5
Guess the terrorists have gotten their way. All will now plead not guilty and plan to make it a stage for verbally attacking the U.S. Way to go, President Obama. Stop blaming President Obama, ed. We all know he had nothing to do with this. He said so. Heck, just for emphasis, he even made sure he was out of the country while it was going on, on a whirlwind Asian tour to accomplish......well, I'm not sure exactly what. But he was definitely there, that's for sure. I saw pictures.
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Post by theexorcist on Nov 22, 2009 20:58:18 GMT -5
Guess the terrorists have gotten their way. All will now plead not guilty and plan to make it a stage for verbally attacking the U.S. Way to go, President Obama. Yeah, cause they have been unable to verbally attack the U.S. prior to this. Finally I'll know what they are so Editeded about! Should be enlightening. I'm guessing it's the Senate's rules on cloture. That, or the lack of a D.C. rep. Ed's comments were overwrought, but I was in the Pentagon on 9/11. You'll have to forgive me if I see your joke as not particularly funny.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 22, 2009 21:00:13 GMT -5
I have a solution - let's fashion Ayatollah-style death panels populated by the American clerics et al. who do not support the President and have not supported the President on any issue of significance (or otherwise) to date.
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Post by strummer8526 on Nov 22, 2009 21:16:55 GMT -5
Yeah, cause they have been unable to verbally attack the U.S. prior to this. Finally I'll know what they are so Editeded about! Should be enlightening. I'm guessing it's the Senate's rules on cloture. That, or the lack of a D.C. rep. Ed's comments were overwrought, but I was in the Pentagon on 9/11. You'll have to forgive me if I see your joke as not particularly funny. You're turning "being offended" into a cottage industry. Apparently, "jokes about the fact that the trial isn't the only opportunity terrorists have ever had to express their opposition to the US" goes on the list with "comparing lawyers to coal miners." This is shaping up to be a strange list. What else offends you? And my dad was at work in NYC on 9/11. I was in NJ and could see the smoke along the horizon from my high school. It was scary for everyone. Everyone had personal connections to it. The same way 9/11 shouldn't be an excuse for dispensing with the rule of law in this country, it also shouldn't be your basis for getting all indignant about what people have to say on here.
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Post by redskins12820 on Nov 22, 2009 21:17:20 GMT -5
Yeah, cause they have been unable to verbally attack the U.S. prior to this. Finally I'll know what they are so Editeded about! Should be enlightening. I'm guessing it's the Senate's rules on cloture. That, or the lack of a D.C. rep. Ed's comments were overwrought, but I was in the Pentagon on 9/11. You'll have to forgive me if I see your joke as not particularly funny. I did not mean offense and if you look at my comments I think you will see that. I was not making light of their attacks. Rather I was pointing out how absurd it is for people to think this somehow gives them a larger stage. They already have the stage. We can argue why they have the stage, but I think it's pretty indisputable that their message is out there.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 12, 2010 8:05:22 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Feb 12, 2010 10:54:26 GMT -5
Who cares if KSM goes off on a rambling 17 minute speech or fires his lawyer 13 times? Ramzi Yousef did and it certainly didn't help him or his cause any.
I'm more worried about terrorists actually doing stuff than frothing at the mouth in handcuffs.
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 12, 2010 11:12:53 GMT -5
It matters little now where he is tried. What matters most is the asinine decision to try him in civilian courts and reading him his Miranda rights after 50 minutes of interrogation. That decision significantly degraded our ability to get intelligence information that was real time.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 12, 2010 11:18:14 GMT -5
Fact check: Well, the U.S. and Pakistani forces who captured KSM on March 1, 2003, certainly didn't read him his Miranda rights. (In his book At the Center of the Storm, former CIA director George Tenet says that KSM told his captors, "I'll talk to you guys after I get to New York and see my lawyer.") He did not have access to legal counsel until after his months-long and utterly brutal interrogation, rendering what he said during his detention inadmissible. But the government is trying him in a federal court rather than a military tribunal precisely because the intelligence evidence against him is strong. Source: blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/11/13/what_will_happen_at_ksms_trial
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Post by Boz on Feb 12, 2010 11:27:55 GMT -5
I think ed had his terrorists -- and Obama administration screw ups -- mixed up there.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Feb 12, 2010 11:39:42 GMT -5
But the government is trying him in a federal court rather than a military tribunal precisely because the intelligence evidence against him is strong. Another suggestion (this time from the left) that it's easier to get a conviction in a military court than a civilian court. The suggestion remains false. The standard of proof to obtain a criminal conviction is identical in both military and civilian courts, and the Rules of Evidence apply in both courts as well. In my opinion, Holder is referring to prosecuting KSM in general. We can debate whether prosecution in an open court would threaten the safety of NYC, etc. or threaten state secrets. But "strong evidence" is needed regardless of venue, and shouldn't be part of the debate.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 12, 2010 13:07:21 GMT -5
Question: How many terror suspects have we successfully prosecuted in military tribunal and how many in civilian courts? I've heard different numbers bandied about.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 12, 2010 18:52:53 GMT -5
I think ed had his terrorists -- and Obama administration screw ups -- mixed up there. I was always told that, after 30, one's brain cells started dying off faster than new ones appeared to replace them. My post proved that, at my age, the rate of dying is now much higher than the rate of replacement.
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Post by hoyaalf on Feb 15, 2010 12:25:06 GMT -5
Some good may come of this trial, though I'd still rather have it removed to Oklahoma City, preferably in one of the court rooms refurbished after 4/19.
The good may be that when Muslims around the world hear how KSM et al humiliate their religious beliefs, they will stand up and be counted.
Why should we fear anything these people have to say?
On the other hand, I and perhaps many others, are growing impatient. There will come a time when the West will assume a 'with us or against us' posture. It has begun in Europe. There are no conservatives more conservative than European conservatives particulary when it comes to "non-European immigrants". They have donned the Cross before. They are capable of doing it again.
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Post by Boz on Mar 5, 2010 11:10:37 GMT -5
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