bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Oct 25, 2009 16:44:35 GMT -5
Rivers was not supposed to shoot whenever he was open. The Princeton/Georgetown offense may create openings for all players, but it doesn't change the fact that Roy was option 1 and Rivers was option 5. As with any offense, individual players have to know what shots they should take, when to drive, and which shots to pass up. A good shot for Jon Wallace was not a good shot for Jeremiah Rivers. The Princeton/Georgetown offense does not want everyone to shoot the same shots. The whole idea that the offense is too rigid for skilled players is ridiculous. It is the most adaptable offense possible, because it lets shooters shoot, drivers drive, and passers pass. Every player who has had a problem with the offense was exposed for having limited skills. Everyone would love to play in an offense where they get nothing but uncontested dunks and layups, but the main way you get openings for uncontested dunks and layups is by having players on the floor who can handle, shoot, and pass well enough that the defense has to guard them.
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Post by gojeffgoroyunder7 on Oct 25, 2009 17:06:26 GMT -5
Jeremiah Rivers is a clown. It is sad iwhen people want to blame others for their own issues. I mean, did our offense make him miss the rim on a good amount of his 3 point shots? We would all cringe when he entered the game, at least on the offensive end. It was playing 4 on 5 on offense. But....it is easy for him to blame the system. It is his kind of way of justifying why he didn't put up big numbers. It's sad he is still taking shots at our system or whatever, but I suppose on some level it makes him feel better. He sucks. Chris Wright and Jason Clark would embarrass him...hence why he left.
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Post by Big Dog on Oct 25, 2009 17:50:50 GMT -5
This is HILARIOUS. This has to be the first time ever that a word like "better" was used by someone comparing a Tom Crean offense to any other offense. Jeremiah's description seems to match perfectly my general recollection of the Crean offensive scheme--there is no scheme. This was the consistent Marquette complaint--great defense, no clue how to run an offense. Apparently Jeremiah doesn't remember his greatest game as a Hoya very well--Marquette's inability to score, including the total failure to get a shot off in its final possession, was critical to the Hoyas ability to pull out a memorable win at the Bradley Center: www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/archives/archive0308.htm#1
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 25, 2009 22:22:14 GMT -5
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Post by rosslynhoya on Oct 26, 2009 8:00:52 GMT -5
Hibbert displayed all facets of his game to the crowd of 8,029 during the third quarter Friday night.
In the space of just a few minutes, he drove to the basket for a reverse one-handed dunk over Tim Duncan, hit an 18-foot jumper, swatted the shot of Manu Ginobli, then did the same to Marcus Haislip and added a sweeping layup to boot. I dunno how we are ever going to maintain our current level of recruiting with naysayers like Jeremiah Rivers taking unwarranted swipes at us.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Oct 26, 2009 8:20:07 GMT -5
The key part of the story which I provided a link to was this :
It might also feel more homey to Hibbert because the big man spent some time in Bloomington this summer, thanks to former Hoya teammate Jeremiah Rivers.
“I came down twice, worked out with the guys and played some full court basketball with (the Hoosiers) to try and get myself in shape,” said Hibbert, who added that talks to Rivers regularly.
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Post by mapei on Oct 26, 2009 13:29:18 GMT -5
I'm remembering one of those incredibly tight games at Verizon when Jeremiah sank two key free throws near the end and maybe hit another shot as well. (Not saying that it was typical, just memorable.) We eked out a close win. Can anyone recall which game that was?
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Post by Giannicolus Jones on Oct 27, 2009 7:43:28 GMT -5
I'm remembering one of those incredibly tight games at Verizon when Jeremiah sank two key free throws near the end and maybe hit another shot as well. (Not saying that it was typical, just memorable.) We eked out a close win. Can anyone recall which game that was? There were only two close home games that Jeremiah hit 2 free throws in: 2007-08 Syracuse and Villanova. The Nova game FTs weren't too big, so maybe you're remembering the Syracuse game. He hit 2 free throws to cut the lead to 5 with 4 minutes left in regulation. He didn't score again, but that was the game he shut down Flynn at the end of regulation and in OT
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Post by seaweed on Oct 27, 2009 12:46:03 GMT -5
JR: “At Georgetown I would run the same thing over and over, and it became so repetitive."
AI: "We're talking 'bout PRACTICE!?!!"
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Post by FLHoya on Oct 27, 2009 20:00:30 GMT -5
There were only two close home games that Jeremiah hit 2 free throws in: 2007-08 Syracuse and Villanova. The Nova game FTs weren't too big, so maybe you're remembering the Syracuse game. He hit 2 free throws to cut the lead to 5 with 4 minutes left in regulation. He didn't score again, but that was the game he shut down Flynn at the end of regulation and in OT In the end, give him his props for shutting down Flynn in that game and denying Reynolds on the drive at the end of the Nova game that year. The one case I can think of where he had a potential clutch moment on the offensive end was against Lousiville in the 08 season finale. Dajuan's 3 put us up 55-52 with about :40 to go, we got a stop and Rivers' boarded with about :20 to go and got a 1-and-1 to potentially ice the BE regular season title. He missed the front end. One of the interesting "What If?"s in our recent history--what if Wayne Ellington hits that three pointer at the end of regulation to win the 2007 Elite Eight? Rivers was brought off the bench for that possession and had the point guard on the play. UNC ran a hand-off, Sapp was knocked out by the screen, and Rivers following the dribble stumbled and was way out of position to contest the shot. Fortunately, UNC wasn't hitting the broad side of a barn at that point.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Oct 28, 2009 2:41:35 GMT -5
Fortunately, UNC wasn't hitting the broad side of a barn at that point. Because they choked! That outcome had nothing to do with Georgetown, Rivers or no Rivers.
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Post by SirSaxa on Oct 28, 2009 7:58:31 GMT -5
Fortunately, UNC wasn't hitting the broad side of a barn at that point. Because they choked! That outcome had nothing to do with Georgetown, Rivers or no Rivers. WHOA! GU's big win vs. UNC had "Nothing to do with Georgetown"?!?!?! Were you a historian for the Kremlin in your previous life? It is true that UNC choked.... but they choked in the face of pressure and steely resolve from GU which maintained it's poise and it's all out effort through 40 minutes of regulation vs. UNC and the refs. GU ran it's system on offense and played awesome defense. UNC expected GU to fold, but they never did. Never gave up. Kept their composure. Trusted one another. And pressured UNC throughout. UNC players lost their composure. Rushed shots. Tried to be the hero and made stupid mistakes as a result. Suggesting that happened on it's own without recognizing the brilliant play, perseverance and determination of the Hoyas? as the Mastercard folks would say.... "priceless"!
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Post by bigelephant on Oct 28, 2009 8:06:25 GMT -5
I don't have all the technical answers why UNC lost but to me it was very obvious they were very tired - the kind of shots they were clunking off the front of the rim was due to fatigue. We were in far better shape in the overtime then they were and it showed in the final result.
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Post by guru on Oct 28, 2009 8:46:23 GMT -5
Fortunately, UNC wasn't hitting the broad side of a barn at that point. Because they choked! That outcome had nothing to do with Georgetown, Rivers or no Rivers. You're right - Jon Wallace's game-tying 3 had nothing to do with Georgetown. This is one of the top ten brain-dead things ever posted on this board.
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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 28, 2009 8:56:23 GMT -5
Before we go off the rails reliving the UNC game, I'd like to point out that this thread has given Rivers more play than he would have gotten on the court this entire season as a Georgetown basketball player.
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Post by Boz on Oct 28, 2009 9:02:33 GMT -5
Before we go off the rails reliving the UNC game, I'd like to point out that this thread has given Rivers more play than he would have gotten on the court this entire season as a Georgetown basketball player. ^^^^^^^ Like.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Oct 28, 2009 9:15:21 GMT -5
Wow, people are really having trouble detecting sarcasm today. Doesn't anyone else remember all the media coverage of UNC's "choke"?
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Post by hifigator on Oct 28, 2009 11:04:11 GMT -5
On a slightly related note, does anyone know how Austin Rivers compares to Jeremiah on an attitude level? From reading this thread and the linked articles, it sure sounds like Jeremiah might have had a little too much "I." 'Certainly hope that Austin has a lot more "we."
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Post by Filo on Oct 28, 2009 11:09:59 GMT -5
I think the important distinction for Gator fans might be that if Austin has a somewhat inflated opinion of himself (and I don't know if he does), at least it will be backed up by some serious skills. In other words, it might be justified in Austin's case.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Oct 28, 2009 11:36:18 GMT -5
Maybe Austin will decommit.
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