Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Sept 3, 2009 12:05:51 GMT -5
for the Obama Youth? Supreme Leader's upcoming address to the nation's public school children is nothing short of terrifying. Thank God my children attend parochial school and will not be subject to this Reifenstahlian moment in history.
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Post by TC on Sept 3, 2009 12:09:11 GMT -5
You're insane.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 3, 2009 12:10:40 GMT -5
So you're not troubled by a speech to a captive audience of children advising them how they can help the president? Pardon my hyperbole but that concept is sickening.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 3, 2009 12:11:42 GMT -5
I agree. Perhaps in the alternative, Elvado's kids could read My Pet Goat.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 3, 2009 12:13:55 GMT -5
At least they won't be listening to Supreme Leader's early indoctrination program. Elvado's children will be attending parochial school where they teach the value of human life but thanks for thinking of them.
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Post by TC on Sept 3, 2009 12:19:04 GMT -5
From what I read the speech is about trying hard and doing well in school. So yeah, totally sickening.
The President has always been involved in schools - I remember reading in whatever that short little mag they used to distribute about how Jimmy Carter liked peanuts and Ronald Reagan liked jelly beans, watching Reagan's inauguration, watching after Reagan was shot, the Presidential Council on fitness, etc. Reagan gave an address to schools (I don't remember it), Bush II apparently did, I'm not seeing what the big deal is.
At least you went Godwin's Law in the first post though, that was well done.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 3, 2009 12:40:53 GMT -5
The initial text includes how "help the president". Do you see a problem there?
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Post by TC on Sept 3, 2009 12:52:21 GMT -5
No, "help the president" was something in some supplementary lesson plan provided by the Department of Education that has been removed because it was "inartful". I don't believe that the text of the speech has been released, which was one of the complaints I originally heard - that conservatives didn't know what was is in the speech (so they could deconstruct it for Orwellian/Nazi comparisons to get outraged by).
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Post by Boz on Sept 3, 2009 13:21:09 GMT -5
My $0.02: If Obama wants to do a national school address to students about education, that's fine. In fact, it's more than fine. He's the President, he should do that. As TC rightfully points out, no one knows what's in the address right now, so there's a lot of speculation. You can hardly blame conservatives for thinking maybe -- juuuusssst maybe -- Obama might be a little more than tempted to slip in some messages there why people should support a government health care option, or a cap and trade bill, or other agenda items that continue to lose support with the public. Am I the only one who saw the Kennedy's pimping out one of the grandkids at the funeral to read something that was probably written by Howard Dean about health care?? And, I'm sorry, you really have to be able to recognize -- unless you are one of followers, I suppose -- that there has been more than just a little bit of cultishness when it comes to a lot of the imaging or messaging around this administration. From that crazy North Korea-style children's hymn in the campaign, to all of the religious imagery, to now even after the election the NEA asking the artist community to support the President's message. What the Department of Education put out there was completely wrong. I am glad to hear they have removed that. I won't judge the speech until I hear it (actually, I'll probably read it after the fact), but yes, I will be reading it with a critical eye and seeing if Obama is going off topic from education. Who wouldn't? If he's talking about staying in school, and listening to your teachers, and supporting students and communities, and hell, eating your vegetables, that's very Presidential of him. If he tries to make this another whistle stop in his never-ending campaign, then yeah, I think I'd have a pretty big problem with it. And if you don't agree, ask youself what you would have thought if W. had done a national address to schoolchildren and talked to them about how tax cuts fuel the economy, or how radical Islamic terrorists represent an existential threat to the West.... EDIT: Speaking of religious imagery..... www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Photostream-Business-and-Pleasure-in-August/
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Post by kchoya on Sept 3, 2009 14:34:47 GMT -5
Funny how Mr. President of the poor and oppressed picked an airplane hanger owned by the Yellowstone Club to hold his little shindig.
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Post by TC on Sept 3, 2009 14:39:57 GMT -5
You can hardly blame conservatives for thinking maybe -- juuuusssst maybe -- Obama might be a little more than tempted to slip in some messages there why people should support a government health care option, or a cap and trade bill, or other agenda items that continue to lose support with the public. I don't disagree with any of the other things you say, but there isn't a prayer that any of those things get in even a rough draft. I heard the same concern expressed before Obama's eulogy (he's gonna pump health care, blah blah blah). It was a respectful eulogy.
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Post by theexorcist on Sept 3, 2009 14:55:34 GMT -5
for the Obama Youth? Supreme Leader's upcoming address to the nation's public school children is nothing short of terrifying. Thank God my children attend parochial school and will not be subject to this Reifenstahlian moment in history. Really, can we give the Nazi references a rest? It's overdone and it's overwrought. For thousands of years of recorded history, to go to one horse which has been consistently beaten to death is just annoying. At least make references to Stalin or Mao or Kim. Mao doesn't have the media down pat, but he does have the part where schoolchildren are taught to obey only Papa Mao and to belittle their capitalist running dog teachers and parents.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 15:43:14 GMT -5
The uniform will be 1982-vintage Patrick Ewing jerseys. True story.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 3, 2009 15:44:00 GMT -5
Okay. Fair enough. Sorry.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Sept 3, 2009 15:44:58 GMT -5
Really, can we give the Nazi references a rest? It's overdone and it's overwrought. For thousands of years of recorded history, to go to one horse which has been consistently beaten to death is just annoying. At least make references to Stalin or Mao or Kim. Mao doesn't have the media down pat, but he does have the part where schoolchildren are taught to obey only Papa Mao and to belittle their capitalist running dog teachers and parents. This video is instructive.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2009 16:21:04 GMT -5
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Post by theexorcist on Sept 3, 2009 18:46:03 GMT -5
"Social Security Q. Mr. President, my name is Saundra Roundtree, and I'll be attending North Carolina Central University this fall to have a major in computer science. Most of us are getting ready to start paying Social Security. Do you think we will be able to receive it when we retire? The President. Social Security? Yes. When we came here I was very disturbed, and I got myself in a lot of trouble, because in an election year some people sort of distorted what I was trying to say. But Social Security was in trouble. As a matter of fact, we knew when we came here that, as far as we could see, Social Security by July of 1983 was going to be bankrupt in the way it was going. And when the election year of '82 was over and it was no longer a political issue, then we put together a bipartisan commission made up of representatives of the Congress, the Government, and the private sector. They did a study and came back with a recommendation for a complete reform. And as far as we can see now, Social Security is on a sound financial basis as far as we can see into the next century. So, yes, it will be there. Q. Thank you, sir." HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by Bando on Sept 3, 2009 19:10:23 GMT -5
Wow. The right needs a "William F. Buckley kicks out the John Birch Society" moment damn soon.
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Post by TC on Sept 3, 2009 19:25:09 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Sept 4, 2009 1:53:23 GMT -5
Wow. The right needs a "William F. Buckley kicks out the John Birch Society" moment damn soon. Honestly, I'm pretty sure all the right needs is for the left to keep doing what they're doing. Opinions vary.
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