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Post by FormerHoya on Dec 10, 2009 19:23:55 GMT -5
Im not the only one who thinks it is pretty crappy for a coach to ditch the team that made him "famous" just before a bowl game right? First rich rod now kelly. I hope Cincy dominates in their bowl game and Kelly wins two games next year. I have no problem with him leaving for more money and better resources, but why not wait until februrary or late january? ND has a part in this too. I understand that recruiting season is coming up in february, but still, have a little class. It sucks for the players, but every [obviously not every, but you get the picture] program pretty much insists on it when they hire a new coach. Meyer did it, as you said, Rich Rod did it. Notre Dame hamstrung themselves last time by not having a plan in place when they canned Ty and then allowed Weis to work for the Pats through the Super Bowl. Weis couldn't put together a decent staff, and had a small untalented recruiting class. ND didn't want that to happen again.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 10, 2009 19:34:44 GMT -5
Im not the only one who thinks it is pretty crappy for a coach to ditch the team that made him "famous" just before a bowl game right? First rich rod now kelly. I hope Cincy dominates in their bowl game and Kelly wins two games next year. I have no problem with him leaving for more money and better resources, but why not wait until februrary or late january? ND has a part in this too. I understand that recruiting season is coming up in february, but still, have a little class. It sucks for the players, but every [obviously not every, but you get the picture] program pretty much insists on it when they hire a new coach. Meyer did it, as you said, Rich Rod did it. Notre Dame hamstrung themselves last time by not having a plan in place when they canned Ty and then allowed Weis to work for the Pats through the Super Bowl. Weis couldn't put together a decent staff, and had a small untalented recruiting class. ND didn't want that to happen again. And let's be honest here--Cincy's bowl game means nothing. It's a glorified exhibition game. I wonder if Kelly would have accepted the job / been willing to interview at ND if Texas had lost and Cincy had made the national championship game. That would have been an interesting decision to have to make.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 10, 2009 20:26:47 GMT -5
Les Miles would probably be the coach at michigan if Pitt hadn't upset WV and allowed LSU to back into the championship game a couple years ago.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 10, 2009 21:14:41 GMT -5
I agree with hifi on this crying issue - sort of (and please don't let me be struck down now - I have so much to live for). I personally don't care if kids cry after losing big games. Now I don't think it means they care more than those that don't cry - it's just that kids handle big defeats differently, and as far as I'm concerned, there's no right or wrong way. So the way I see it, Tebow shouldn't be criticized for crying.
But I agree with RDF that Tebow isn't an all time great. The best college quarterback I saw this decade was Vince Young.
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Post by jgalt on Dec 11, 2009 0:14:32 GMT -5
It sucks for the players, but every [obviously not every, but you get the picture] program pretty much insists on it when they hire a new coach. Meyer did it, as you said, Rich Rod did it. Notre Dame hamstrung themselves last time by not having a plan in place when they canned Ty and then allowed Weis to work for the Pats through the Super Bowl. Weis couldn't put together a decent staff, and had a small untalented recruiting class. ND didn't want that to happen again. And let's be honest here--Cincy's bowl game means nothing. It's a glorified exhibition game. I wonder if Kelly would have accepted the job / been willing to interview at ND if Texas had lost and Cincy had made the national championship game. That would have been an interesting decision to have to make. Yeah yeah I see those sides to it, and of course Kelly has to look out for himself. But for the players, the guys actually winning the games, the guys who arent paid to play, and the guys who cant just jump ship to better schools (football wise) it really sucks. The NCAA punishes players who transfer by making them sit out a year but not the coaches who leave in the middle of a contract (of course any good contract has provisions for this). Im not trying to say that it isnt how it is and how it always will be, but it just sucks for the players. I am happy its not Edsall from UConn. My friends brother plays there and probably would have had to transfer if Edsall had left and i think that team has some potential in the next couple years to become pretty competative in the BE
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Post by hifigator on Dec 11, 2009 12:13:50 GMT -5
As far as Kelly leaving, I don't blame him a bit, but I do agree that it sucks for the players. Question for the board: does anyone remember the players being as outspoken and ticked off when a situation has arisen before? I don't. I'm sure some were, but they weren't as openly outspoken about it. I heard rather seething comments from at least 4 players. I wonder if Kelly had given the players a different impression or maybe it's just that this is the first time Cincy has been in this situation. I don't know, but it definitely is unusual at the least.
Secondly, someone posed the question how Kelly would have reacted if Nebraska had beaten Texas and put Cincy in the Title game. I would think that Kelly would have stayed through the title game in that situation. I haven't heard him address that, but I would be shocked. Obviously we'll never know, but in that situation, he really would have been turning his back on the kids to leave before the title game.
Lastly, unless a title is on the line, then I think this is the "right" time for coaches to move around. The natural break because of finals/holidays between the end of the regular season and the bowls create a natural time window. Also, as someone pointed out, bowls are really not very important, aside from the obvious exception of the Title game. In fact a good friend of mine is famous for saying that it's the least important game of the year aside from the spring game -- the intrasquad scrimmage that concludes spring practice. Lastly, it's also reasonable for the new school to want the coach to come in as quickly as possible, get his staff in place and hit the ground recruiting as quickly as possible. Remember, signing day is early in February. If the new coach waits until after the bowls, then they have cut their time before signing day basically in half.
P.S. Former, I'm pretty sure that Meyer stayed on at Utah through the bowl game with Pitt.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 11, 2009 12:16:30 GMT -5
Apparently Kelly had told his players that they would be the first to know if he decided to move jobs, and he did not inform them that he took the job until after it had gone public. There's probably also some bitterness considering that yesterday was the Cincy football banquet.
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Post by FormerHoya on Dec 11, 2009 12:19:15 GMT -5
P.S. Former, I'm pretty sure that Meyer stayed on at Utah through the bowl game with Pitt. Crap. You're right. I totally remembered that wrong.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 11, 2009 12:26:23 GMT -5
Apparently Kelly had told his players that they would be the first to know if he decided to move jobs, and he did not inform them that he took the job until after it had gone public. There's probably also some bitterness considering that yesterday was the Cincy football banquet. Yeah, I think that must be part of it. But in fairness, Kelly did take the high road. Even yesterday during the awards show, when the story had been broken for hours and heavily rumored for days. He was interviewed via teleconference and when asked about it, Fowler told him that he knows that he's seen the ticker along the bottom etc.. and what could he add? Kelly response was that that could really only come from 2 sources -- him or Notre Dame and that he had "nothing to add," so they need to work "on the other end." As I think about it, I'm wondering if he was trying to make it clear that he didn't leak the story at all, in a sort of way of saving face and casting blame in the other direction.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 11, 2009 12:36:26 GMT -5
As far as Kelly leaving, I don't blame him a bit, but I do agree that it sucks for the players. Question for the board: does anyone remember the players being as outspoken and ticked off when a situation has arisen before? I don't. I'm sure some were, but they weren't as openly outspoken about it. I heard rather seething comments from at least 4 players. I wonder if Kelly had given the players a different impression or maybe it's just that this is the first time Cincy has been in this situation. I don't know, but it definitely is unusual at the least. Secondly, someone posed the question how Kelly would have reacted if Nebraska had beaten Texas and put Cincy in the Title game. I would think that Kelly would have stayed through the title game in that situation. I haven't heard him address that, but I would be shocked. Obviously we'll never know, but in that situation, he really would have been turning his back on the kids to leave before the title game. Lastly, unless a title is on the line, then I think this is the "right" time for coaches to move around. The natural break because of finals/holidays between the end of the regular season and the bowls create a natural time window. Also, as someone pointed out, bowls are really not very important, aside from the obvious exception of the Title game. In fact a good friend of mine is famous for saying that it's the least important game of the year aside from the spring game -- the intrasquad scrimmage that concludes spring practice. Lastly, it's also reasonable for the new school to want the coach to come in as quickly as possible, get his staff in place and hit the ground recruiting as quickly as possible. Remember, signing day is early in February. If the new coach waits until after the bowls, then they have cut their time before signing day basically in half. P.S. Former, I'm pretty sure that Meyer stayed on at Utah through the bowl game with Pitt. For the seniors on this team, this is the second time that a coach has told them he wasn't leaving and then bailed on them right before their bowl game. So, can see why those guys who were so outspoken about this were upset.
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Post by hifigator on Dec 11, 2009 12:45:40 GMT -5
As far as Kelly leaving, I don't blame him a bit, but I do agree that it sucks for the players. Question for the board: does anyone remember the players being as outspoken and ticked off when a situation has arisen before? I don't. I'm sure some were, but they weren't as openly outspoken about it. I heard rather seething comments from at least 4 players. I wonder if Kelly had given the players a different impression or maybe it's just that this is the first time Cincy has been in this situation. I don't know, but it definitely is unusual at the least. Secondly, someone posed the question how Kelly would have reacted if Nebraska had beaten Texas and put Cincy in the Title game. I would think that Kelly would have stayed through the title game in that situation. I haven't heard him address that, but I would be shocked. Obviously we'll never know, but in that situation, he really would have been turning his back on the kids to leave before the title game. Lastly, unless a title is on the line, then I think this is the "right" time for coaches to move around. The natural break because of finals/holidays between the end of the regular season and the bowls create a natural time window. Also, as someone pointed out, bowls are really not very important, aside from the obvious exception of the Title game. In fact a good friend of mine is famous for saying that it's the least important game of the year aside from the spring game -- the intrasquad scrimmage that concludes spring practice. Lastly, it's also reasonable for the new school to want the coach to come in as quickly as possible, get his staff in place and hit the ground recruiting as quickly as possible. Remember, signing day is early in February. If the new coach waits until after the bowls, then they have cut their time before signing day basically in half. P.S. Former, I'm pretty sure that Meyer stayed on at Utah through the bowl game with Pitt. For the seniors on this team, this is the second time that a coach has told them he wasn't leaving and then bailed on them right before their bowl game. So, can see why those guys who were so outspoken about this were upset. Yeah, that's a good point 97. I hadn't thought about that, and that part is probably pretty rare. Maybe it's the old, "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." One thing that I think is important to keep in mind also, Kelly was approached last year by several teams and probably would have left then, but his wife was ill and was in recovery/rehab in Cincy, and he didn't want to uproot them at that point.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Dec 11, 2009 16:31:39 GMT -5
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Post by hifigator on Dec 11, 2009 17:01:48 GMT -5
Now that wasn't very nice Austin. Off the record, I wish I'd have thought of that shirt and made the money off of the sales. I don't think it would clear NCAA rules though. Still, if there's money to be made, I want my cut!
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 12, 2009 19:32:42 GMT -5
I hope other people are watching the App St. - Montana game. Playoffs, snow, and now a last minute drive by App St. after Montana scored a TD to go ahead with 1:31 left. If we're lucky, there'll be overtime
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 12, 2009 19:42:30 GMT -5
I hope other people are watching the App St. - Montana game. Playoffs, snow, and now a last minute drive by App St. after Montana scored a TD to go ahead with 1:31 left. If we're lucky, there'll be overtime And Montana survives three plays from the 4 yard line to hang on. Heck of a stand, but too bad, b/c overtime in the snow would have been awesome.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Dec 12, 2009 19:46:27 GMT -5
even though nova is involved, i'll take these playoff games over the bcs nonsense. crazy crowds, snow, competive games...hopefully montana can keep it rolling.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Dec 13, 2009 13:25:23 GMT -5
Per Twitter, Coach Kelly's house was egged last night with "For Sale" sign posted on the front lawn. What would we do without Twitter?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 7, 2010 14:26:22 GMT -5
So I watch a lot less college football than most of you, but it seems to me tonight comes down to passing games.
McCoy's a better QB, but Alabama has he better pass rush, I think. Which QB wilts?
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 7, 2010 20:10:16 GMT -5
McCoy faced two good defenses this year (Oklahoma and Nebraska) and didn't perform well in either game. Alabama has a better defense than either Nebraska or Oklahoma. I say McCoy wilts.
I'm often wrong about these things, so it wouldn't surprise me if I'm wrong here, as well, but that's my view.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 7, 2010 21:00:52 GMT -5
So I watch a lot less college football than most of you, but it seems to me tonight comes down to passing games. McCoy's a better QB, but Alabama has he better pass rush, I think. Which QB wilts? I don't know about wilting, but apparently McCoy got knocked out of the game (at least for now). I hope this doesn't turn into a situation where McCoy is out and Bama wins and we have to wonder what could have been.
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