rosslynhoya
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 9, 2012 18:48:05 GMT -5
Serious question: if polygamy/polyandry is ever legalized, how do we resolve the taxation-related issues? "My eight husbands and I would like to file a joint return" is going to make heads spin at the IRS. Follow-up question: if such issues cannot be neatly resolved, does that become a basis for the state to prohibit polygamy? Shouldn't the state just legally recognize whatever relationship status some quantity of consenting adults claim to be in? www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/09/2633250/fla-mogul-facing-trial-adopts.html
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HoyaNyr320
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Feb 9, 2012 21:45:17 GMT -5
Well, the phrase "consenting adult" rules out the kids. So do the words "man" and "woman" But really, I'm just being obtuse because I'm still in a bad mood from last night. I don't have a problem w/ marriage being between two consenting adults of either gender (so long as they have to earn it by going to a Pre-Cana session like I did ;D), nor do I have a problem with polygamy in theory ( in practice, of course, it tends to rarely, if ever, involve three consenting adults, so its kinda moot) This. Completely agree
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Post by kchoya on Feb 10, 2012 7:25:13 GMT -5
Well, the phrase "consenting adult" rules out the kids. So do the words "man" and "woman" But really, I'm just being obtuse because I'm still in a bad mood from last night. I don't have a problem w/ marriage being between two consenting adults of either gender (so long as they have to earn it by going to a Pre-Cana session like I did ;D), nor do I have a problem with polygamy in theory ( in practice, of course, it tends to rarely, if ever, involve three consenting adults, so its kinda moot) This. Completely agree Really? Are you so informed as to the practice of polygamy to make (or "THIS!!!!") such a statment. Warren Jeffs & crazy people on Big Love is not all there is to it.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 10, 2012 8:46:26 GMT -5
Serious question: if polygamy/polyandry is ever legalized, how do we resolve the taxation-related issues? "My eight husbands and I would like to file a joint return" is going to make heads spin at the IRS. Follow-up question: if such issues cannot be neatly resolved, does that become a basis for the state to prohibit polygamy? Very simple: stop giving tax benefits to people just for getting married. Why does the government need to "incentivize" what is supposed to be a very significant and meaningful bond between two private individuals? Without any stats to back it up, I'm going to just assert that anyone who gets married for the government perks is going to end up in the divorced 50% anyway.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Feb 10, 2012 8:57:31 GMT -5
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Post by flyoverhoya on Feb 10, 2012 9:31:44 GMT -5
Safe bet, since even if one deletes the phrase "for the government perks" that statement is probably still close to being true.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Feb 17, 2012 10:05:58 GMT -5
Serious question: if polygamy/polyandry is ever legalized, how do we resolve the taxation-related issues? "My eight husbands and I would like to file a joint return" is going to make heads spin at the IRS. Follow-up question: if such issues cannot be neatly resolved, does that become a basis for the state to prohibit polygamy? Very simple: stop giving tax benefits to people just for getting married. Why does the government need to "incentivize" what is supposed to be a very significant and meaningful bond between two private individuals? Without any stats to back it up, I'm going to just assert that anyone who gets married for the government perks is going to end up in the divorced 50% anyway. If that happens, do you think the state has any remaining legitimate interest in restricting marriage to two people?
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 17, 2012 12:46:33 GMT -5
Very simple: stop giving tax benefits to people just for getting married. Why does the government need to "incentivize" what is supposed to be a very significant and meaningful bond between two private individuals? Without any stats to back it up, I'm going to just assert that anyone who gets married for the government perks is going to end up in the divorced 50% anyway. If that happens, do you think the state has any remaining legitimate interest in restricting marriage to two people? I don't think the state has any legitimate interest in "marriage" at all. It only means anything to people in a religious context, so let it go back to religions. If some minister on some commune in Iowa wants to let a guy "marry" a tractor, what do I care? He and his tractor should get nothing special from the government, though. And we can all go on with our lives.
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TC
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Post by TC on Feb 17, 2012 12:57:28 GMT -5
I don't think the state has any legitimate interest in "marriage" at all. It only means anything to people in a religious context So no one gets married or throws a wedding outside of a religious institution? No one acknowledges, performs, or celebrates secular marriages? People who aren't religious don't get married? Society as a whole is interested in marriages. It is not just a religious construct.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Feb 17, 2012 13:01:58 GMT -5
I don't think the state has any legitimate interest in "marriage" at all. It only means anything to people in a religious context, so let it go back to religions. If some minister on some commune in Iowa wants to let a guy "marry" a tractor, what do I care? He and his tractor should get nothing special from the government, though. And we can all go on with our lives. Point taken. Let me rephrase my question. Hypothetically, if the government continues to recognize marriage, but is able to completely separate it from any tax/financial consequences, is there any other legitimate government interest in limiting the number of people in a marriage to 2?
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 17, 2012 13:41:17 GMT -5
I would say most of my married friends have a strong interest in marriage and do so OUTSIDE a religious context.
Marriage is frankly a more pervasive shared social value/institution than religion.
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