theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Jul 24, 2009 13:08:11 GMT -5
This is why baseball is great. Normal day, two average teams - you never know when you're going to get something really special. The most amazing part is that I wouldn't say the Rays are average. They're one of three teams thus far to have scored 500+ runs, and despite today being a getaway day, the Rays were playing their regular starting lineup. Buehrle managed to shut down one of the most potent offenses in the league. Understood. My point was more that if the Suns were playing the Rockets in the middle of the season, it would be mildly interesting but there wouldn't be something of note that's happened only 18 times since the NBA's started existing.
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FormerHoya
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Post by FormerHoya on Jul 24, 2009 13:18:54 GMT -5
Just beware of Grandpa trying to correct his previous shortcomings with the next generation. It must be very painful to have a quisling in the family. I feel for your dad. I'll bet he was especially happy in 2005. ;D Thank you for sending me to dictionary.com. Now I remember why I frequent this place.
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ichirohoya
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Post by ichirohoya on Jul 27, 2009 16:20:14 GMT -5
Interesting bit in Newsday about Joba Chamberlain having an innings limit for the season. And apparently he's already approaching it. www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/yanks-concerned-about-joba-s-innings-limit-1.1323396The quote in here that makes no sense to me comes from Cashman, "Is the plan right now to keep Chamberlain in the rotation? Yes, Cashman said. Would the Yankees shut him down if he's approaching the innings limit? No, Cashman said." Then what is the point of an innings limit? Personally, I think this is comical. If after throwing less than 100 innings on the season Joba is already approaching an artificially imposed innings limit then either he, his agent, or his handlers, or the yankees are whimps to the infinite degree. Pettite and Sabathia must laugh at this. Innings limits? for 3rd year pitchers? No one wants to see the guy turn into the next Mark Prior but i mean there comes a point where you have to just let the guy pitch.
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Jul 27, 2009 16:36:01 GMT -5
Well Joba has had some arm troubles in the past, and there is some evidence to suggest a large increase in IP for young pitchers is particularly dangerous: Tom Verducci, who called this the 'Year After Effect,' found that pitchers under the age of 25 who have 30-inning increases year over year tend to underperform. Will Carroll independently found that pitchers who break the "Rule of 30" tend to get injured. Carroll renamed this 'rule' the Verducci Effect in honor of the man who initially found the evidence. www.baseballprospectus.com/glossary/index.php?search=verducci+effectThis years top candidates, based on their jump in IP last year, are certainly a mixed bag: Cole Hamels has struggled, Jon Lester took a while to get going, but guys like Tim Lincecum and Chad Billingsley have shown no ill effects. Here is the list of top 10 candidates coming into the year: sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/tom_verducci/04/07/yearafter.effect/index.htmlAll of that is to say it is reasonable for the Yankees to put a limit on Joba's IP this year, but ridiculous to establish a "limit" that they have no intention of honoring.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Jul 28, 2009 21:55:54 GMT -5
Buehrle's consecutive batters retired record would be a lot more impressive if he hadn't then given up 5 runs and lost to the Twins
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 29, 2009 12:19:58 GMT -5
Buehrle's consecutive batters retired record would be a lot more impressive if he hadn't then given up 5 runs and lost to the Twins It was the White Sox playing in Minnesota. There was no reason to expect anything else. When he walked that .160 hitter to break the string, I knew we were screwed.
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njhoya06
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Post by njhoya06 on Jul 29, 2009 20:39:15 GMT -5
Cliff Lee!
We gon' pitch
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PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Jul 29, 2009 20:47:11 GMT -5
I love the trade mostly because it's a giant FU to Toronto for getting too big for their britches.
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FormerHoya
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Post by FormerHoya on Jul 30, 2009 12:48:34 GMT -5
Not too sure about this one. People like to say this because of how much better he got in Boston, but he always had freakish strength. He just couldn't hit a fastball up and in and everyone knew this was where to pitch him. Closed the hole in his swing once he got to Boston. Didn't have the most power even at his peak in Boston -- that was Wily Mo Pena who really just can't hit a curveball. Sure. ;D Believe what you want--Ortiz has also been proactive when his agent was caught with HGH in Canada--and he thought it was going to get out--and he's been pretty adamant supporter of A-Rod. Thing is--A-Rod hasn't talked--someone like Manny is crazy enough to start throwing names around if he gets unnerved. Ortiz as a light hitting/slap hitter in Minnesota and Tom Kelly couldn't stand him. He leaves, and becomes a terror. HGH/PHD testing becomes stronger/more prominent--and Ortiz not only sees dramatic drop in numbers-he gets injured immediately. Big Papi is as guilty of using junk as Manny--and I thought Manny was clean--so this one hurt--just as A-Rod's did--and I can't stand A-Rod but thought he was clean. Piazza, Bagwell, Thome, etc... will eventually get caught too. Let's face it the main reason MLB doesn't want the 103 other names out--it would absolutely kill their credibility as the big names on that list from all over the league would be numbing to naive fans--who are same that often pay to go to the games. Well, RDF called that on the nose. sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335So, to sum up, David Ortiz < Mark Grace
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PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Jul 30, 2009 13:29:31 GMT -5
If that leaked supposed list of the 103 guys is right, there's a bunch more Sox players on there.
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Buckets
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Post by Buckets on Jul 30, 2009 13:50:40 GMT -5
I'd like to say I didn't start the other thread to distract from this... I saw the news about 5 minutes after I posted that. I'd also like to say I buried my head in the sand.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 30, 2009 18:09:45 GMT -5
If that leaked supposed list of the 103 guys is right, there's a bunch more Sox players on there. Now this would be truly astonishing news. Not.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 31, 2009 10:05:31 GMT -5
Speaking of leaked rumored lists. Lots of representatives from many different teams on that one so anyone can advance whatever anti-team agenda they wish.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jul 31, 2009 11:20:52 GMT -5
Does anyone really believe that Albert Pujols is clean?
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Post by guru on Jul 31, 2009 11:25:08 GMT -5
Does anyone really believe that Albert Pujols is clean? He's probably like all the rest, but there's a guy in a lose-lose situation. What if he is clean? His numbers have been consistent throughout his career - he doesn't have the huge spike of an Ortiz or a Bonds. And IF (big if) he is clean, then we are watching one of the - if not the - best ballplayers in history. But he'll never get the full credit he would deserve because of the era in which he played. Eh, he was probably a juicer anyway. But still.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Jul 31, 2009 12:47:13 GMT -5
He had a huge spike much earlier in his career when he went from being an off the radar small junior college player to dominating the minor leagues and then rookie of the year in the NL. He might just be one of those freaks of nature but his rise to the top was very quick and didn't follow a normal path.
I'm a Cubs fan so I'm predisposed not to like him but I really hope he's clean. I love watching all time greats and this guy is clearly one of them.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 1, 2009 8:17:05 GMT -5
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mchoya
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Post by mchoya on Aug 1, 2009 10:35:44 GMT -5
If that leaked supposed list of the 103 guys is right, there's a bunch more Sox players on there. That list is 100% bs: deadspin.com/5304675/why-the-new-alleged-steroids-list-is-a-crockCliffsnotes version: Grimsley doesn't appear even though he was confirmed on the list and Jeromy Burnitz appeared twice. That's not to say that those players didn't take steroids, but I would be very surprised if that was the list.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 1, 2009 11:12:59 GMT -5
God love the internet. Everything you read there HAS to be true!
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Post by hifigator on Aug 1, 2009 11:59:50 GMT -5
Steroids: the Story that just won't go away.
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