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Post by sweetness on Nov 4, 2009 22:05:52 GMT -5
Matsui!!!
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 5, 2009 0:06:19 GMT -5
Appropriate that the Yankees once again hold the record for highest payroll of a World Series Champion
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 5, 2009 0:27:03 GMT -5
One thing about going to GU and being from NJ is that my Facebook feeds just get overwhelmed with the pro-Yankees drivel of NY/NJ fans. It is funny to read at some level but annoying all the same. Particularly emblematic were the messages between two high school classmates calling each other "son" while also going ape over Matsui. Then, there are attacks on another for complaining about celebratory car honks in NYC.
I'd nominate Jorge Posada for a supporting role in the next Nolan Smith film. He looked like a complete clown during the mound celebration.
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Post by RDF on Nov 5, 2009 1:56:22 GMT -5
Hell I thought Matsui was done last year--and he looked awful early on---perfect way to END his career in Pinstripes--great WS from him.
A-Rod getting into it with Varitek was what I went off about years ago--and he's getting drilled in WS and doesn't make it a big deal---and team wins. He was outstanding all postseason and all season. Everything that has been said about him in past came to reality due to him not trying to be perfect--and yet he proved he was the most valuable player by simply showing up. Minute he returned to team--they were best team in baseball. He just played and didn't try to do too much and he also didn't act like it didn't matter--he showed that he cared about what he should--and it's why they won. He wasn't just a talented guy--he was one of the guys when needed and that made huge difference. Sac Fly's, RBI ground outs, etc....that was as important as being the "hero" with HR's----and for all the crap I've given him---he at least took his beating from fans/media for HGH/Steriods while rest of the league's cheaters continue to hide and deny--so fitting his best year as a Yankee ends with a ring.
Last but not least---this vindicates everyone who wanted Torre gone (not to mention the Mattingly Curse). Torre can be "insulted" all he wants---just glad there is a manager who understands/understood that ONLY THING THAT MATTERED was #27--and now #28. Drink your Green Tea Torre and glad you enjoy the lack of pressure that comes with $7 million per year to manage--you know the same "insulting" deal that included he understood what the franchise plays for---and Mattingly got passed over by a better candidate.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Nov 5, 2009 7:46:42 GMT -5
the minute they signed tex, cc, and burnett they were the best team in baseball. arod only admitted 10% of what actually happened after he was outed by roberts, so don't make him out to be a hero for that joke of an admission in february. i could care less how many big hits he gets, he's still the biggest edited on my mt rushmore of editeds with jobu, romo, kobe, and coach k. putting on a show for the cameras and 'crying' on the field just makes him more of a tool. edited him and edited the yankees.
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Post by hoya95 on Nov 5, 2009 8:25:42 GMT -5
Last but not least---this vindicates everyone who wanted Torre gone (not to mention the Mattingly Curse). Torre can be "insulted" all he wants---just glad there is a manager who understands/understood that ONLY THING THAT MATTERED was #27--and now #28. Drink your Green Tea Torre and glad you enjoy the lack of pressure that comes with $7 million per year to manage--you know the same "insulting" deal that included he understood what the franchise plays for---and Mattingly got passed over by a better candidate. Seriously, the manager had nothing to do with this. For all the money they've spent this decade, their pitching staff was never very scary outside of Rivera. So they bought themselves the two best free agent pitchers (to add to a whole bunch of sluggers) and they won. If Torre is still the manager, the result would have been the exact same. But we'd have had about 400 less mound conferences. Do not encourage Girardi or next year he'll stretch the games out to seven hours to show off his brilliance.
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Post by TBird41 on Nov 5, 2009 8:51:56 GMT -5
Last but not least---this vindicates everyone who wanted Torre gone (not to mention the Mattingly Curse). Torre can be "insulted" all he wants---just glad there is a manager who understands/understood that ONLY THING THAT MATTERED was #27--and now #28. Drink your Green Tea Torre and glad you enjoy the lack of pressure that comes with $7 million per year to manage--you know the same "insulting" deal that included he understood what the franchise plays for---and Mattingly got passed over by a better candidate. Seriously, the manager had nothing to do with this. For all the money they've spent this decade, their pitching staff was never very scary outside of Rivera. So they bought themselves the two best free agent pitchers (to add to a whole bunch of sluggers) and they won. If Torre is still the manager, the result would have been the exact same. But we'd have had about 400 less mound conferences. Do not encourage Girardi or next year he'll stretch the games out to seven hours to show off his brilliance. Agreed. Craig Esherick could have been the manager and that roster would have still won the World Series.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Nov 5, 2009 9:24:28 GMT -5
girardi constantly over-manages but he looked like sparky anderson compared to how badly manuel managed the phillies. he managed game 6 like it was game 1. there is no way you let pedro pitch to matsui with the bases loaded. you know it's basically a 7 inning game with rivera waiting to pitch 8 & 9, yet you leave an obviously struggling martinez to pitch to a guy that owns him. moron.
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Post by guru on Nov 5, 2009 9:28:14 GMT -5
Agreed. Craig Esherick could have been the manager and that roster would have still won the World Series. Girardi is a terrible manager - did his best to keep the Phils in this Series. As for the Yankees, they are an utter joke, as are their fans. Never have so many dimwits been so excited about a completely expected outcome. It's far more noteworthy that they managed to go nine seasons without winning - and choking in ways that were almost unimaginable - than it is that a team that spent $80 million more than its closest payroll competitor actually played to their paychecks and won a title. The only good thing about the Yankees is that they expose the complete mess that is the MLB structure.
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Post by Boz on Nov 5, 2009 9:36:57 GMT -5
Yay. Baseball season is over.
Congratulations to the team what which won the whole thing.
My nephew will be happy. That's enough for me. Other than that, clear the decks for football and college basketball!!!! (and yes, hockey for me, but I'm not dumb enough to think that there are more than a relative handful of people interested).
Also, Joe Girardi needs a sammich. He could probably get a few from CC.
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Post by sweetness on Nov 5, 2009 10:33:48 GMT -5
Almost as much fun for Yankees fans as savoring the victory is seeing the reaction of Yankees haters -- thanks guru and others for enhancing my enjoyment today!
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Post by tashoya on Nov 5, 2009 11:20:05 GMT -5
Almost as much fun for Yankees fans as savoring the victory is seeing the reaction of Yankees haters -- thanks guru and others for enhancing my enjoyment today! Ahh. Yes. Love it. I only wish I had a Philly radio feed.
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Post by guru on Nov 5, 2009 11:51:24 GMT -5
Almost as much fun for Yankees fans as savoring the victory is seeing the reaction of Yankees haters -- thanks guru and others for enhancing my enjoyment today! Ahh. Yes. Love it. I only wish I had a Philly radio feed. Sorry, but definitely not a Yankee hater. Just very opposed to the system that is in place and amused by the reaction of the team's fans
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 5, 2009 12:44:43 GMT -5
That was one heck of a swan song for Matsui. I'm not sure why Yankee fans should be gloating over their team doing something that they've been expected to do every year since they last won. Oh, yes I do. It's because they have the biggest sense of entitlement in American sports and think the Yankees = baseball. I just say thank you to the Angels, Red Sox, Tigers, Diamondbacks, Marlins, etc. for putting the Yankees in their place the last few years. Nothing good lasts forever.
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Post by RDF on Nov 5, 2009 12:54:42 GMT -5
Amused--if it's that easy--why doesn't it happen every season?
I still don't care for A-Rod either--BUT---he took all of the crap that everyone else didn't have to--and won't admit to--and changed his approach. If I'm going to rip a guy--he deserves praise for performing.
LOVE the Yankee Hating--it's just beautiful and listening to whiny losers who complain about payroll and things that they can never understand because they talk of the "Salary Cap" as the answer to all ills. Yeah--nobody in NFL or NBA have monopolized the sport--with the "fairness" of the Cap. What a crock of DOG**** that is.
MLB has had more winners/various winners then NBA/NFL and that's just reality. If you hate the Yankees fine--but don't prove to be ignorant along the way.
Those of you who despise the the Yankees have no clue about Torre. He wouldn't have won this year--as his bullpen would've been shot, he'd have started 4 guys--which this team couldn't afford--Girardi was smart and he and Eiland prepared for this postseason--3 Man rotation--something "Lord" Torre wouldn't have and the "expectations" became too much for "Lord" Torre and he deemed that--along with the 7.2 a year offer "insulting".
Never said Girardi is the best manager in baseball--but he knew/accepted the expectations and delivered and didn't get scared when he was criticized. He proved to be right man to replace "Lord" Torre who can sip his green tea in peace in Los Angeles--where he has the most talented team in NL---and has failed to reach World Series due to screwing up the minds of his pitchers---Billingsley, and ruining arms in bullpen as he always does.
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Post by RDF on Nov 5, 2009 12:55:58 GMT -5
That was one heck of a swan song for Matsui. I'm not sure why Yankee fans should be gloating over their team doing something that they've been expected to do every year since they last won. Oh, yes I do. It's because they have the biggest sense of entitlement in American sports and think the Yankees = baseball. I just say thank you to the Angels, Red Sox, Tigers, Diamondbacks, Marlins, etc. for putting the Yankees in their place the last few years. Nothing good lasts forever. This coming from a fan of UCLA and the Lakers. Guess they NEVER had dynasties.
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Post by hoya95 on Nov 5, 2009 13:16:38 GMT -5
How did Girardi do last year without much pitching? They missed the playoffs. It takes no genius to go out and buy Sabbathia and Burnett (though those contracts will look silly in 5 years) and it takes no great genius to ride Sabbathia as far as he'll go. The fact that they couldn't produce a fourth starter is more of an indictment of the farm system. The pitchers that Torre is always accused of over-using are his set up men. How did Hughes and Jobba do? They were shaky at best. Managing had absolutely nothing to do with this. They got the best players, they have a horse they can ride in the post-season in Sabbathia, and, most importantly, they still have Rivera. The talk of anyone else as MVP is just silly. It's Rivera. It's always Rivera. He turns every game into a seven inning affair, and he bailed them out of every jam they put him in. In a post-season where the other seven closers each had a killer meltdown, Rivera was basically perfect. You and I could have managed that.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Nov 5, 2009 13:26:31 GMT -5
Rarely do I agree with RDF, but Joe Torre would have ruined Phil Hughes career this season by making pitch out of the bullpen 110 times. I also don't think Torre would have gone with a 3 man rotation in the World Series. So, while I think a manager's importance is overstated by the media, especially in game managing [hit and runs, green lights on 3-0 counts, etc], there was a large difference between Torre and Girardi. Though Girardi still almost went with Phil Coke over Rivera in Game 4 Sunday to protect a tie...I had Torre flashbacks.
That said, all this talk of chemistry/A-rod unburdening himself/Mattingly/yada yada yada is nonsense. The Yankees starting pitching the last 5 years leading up to this one was mediocre, and filled with guys who pitched to contact, which is a problem when you have fielders with bad range. Burnett and Sabathia both pitched 200+ innings and struck out a ton of guys. Compare those 2 to the guys outside of Mussina (unluckiest Yankee ever, huh?) that have filled the top of the rotation 2004-2008 years... Kevin Brown, Javy Vaszquez, Carl Pavano, Jaret Wright, Randy Johnson, Jon Lieber, Chien Ming Wang, Jose Contreras. In a short series they didn't have much of a chance if the offense didn't score 6 runs a game.
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Post by Hank Scorpio on Nov 5, 2009 13:48:24 GMT -5
re: 4th starter, Wang got hurt, and Joba/Hughes will be in that role next season. That they did not trade either of those 2 for Santana, something Cashman got killed for at the time, will pay dividends down the line. They're both 23. Burnett's contract is bad, but it'll be expired in 5 years, so no worries. If CC, by some miracle, opts out in 2 years, maybe we get out from under that one. The contract that is gonna look bad in the long term is #13, and i'm a huge fan. 8 more years, and he's going to need to move to 1B eventually...wait, Teix is there, can't do that. How did Girardi do last year without much pitching? They missed the playoffs. It takes no genius to go out and buy Sabbathia and Burnett (though those contracts will look silly in 5 years) and it takes no great genius to ride Sabbathia as far as he'll go. The fact that they couldn't produce a fourth starter is more of an indictment of the farm system. The pitchers that Torre is always accused of over-using are his set up men. How did Hughes and Jobba do? They were shaky at best. Managing had absolutely nothing to do with this. They got the best players, they have a horse they can ride in the post-season in Sabbathia, and, most importantly, they still have Rivera. The talk of anyone else as MVP is just silly. It's Rivera. It's always Rivera. He turns every game into a seven inning affair, and he bailed them out of every jam they put him in. In a post-season where the other seven closers each had a killer meltdown, Rivera was basically perfect. You and I could have managed that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2009 14:34:22 GMT -5
Let's not go overboard calling the 3-man rotation a great strategic move just because the Yankees won the series. The three starters' ERA in Games 1-3 was 4.05. In Games 4-6, it was 7.36. I'm guessing Chad Gaudin could've thrown up a 7.36 pretty easily had he been given a shot.
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