The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Feb 24, 2009 11:31:39 GMT -5
www.thehoya.com/node/18083Two GUSA Prez/VP tickets were DQed on the morning of election day for violating poster placement rules. According to everybody in GUSA that The Hoya interviewed, violating poster placement rules is not grounds for disqualification from the election. Horray for GUSA! Isn't that three straight screwed up elections now?
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Feb 24, 2009 12:40:27 GMT -5
The only good thing i will say is that the current GUSA pres and one of the groups running this year are both protesting the decision. It is good that there are some people working to get a fair election going.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 24, 2009 12:48:39 GMT -5
www.thehoya.com/node/18083Two GUSA Prez/VP tickets were DQed on the morning of election day for violating poster placement rules. According to everybody in GUSA that The Hoya interviewed, violating poster placement rules is not grounds for disqualification from the election. Horray for GUSA! Isn't that three straight screwed up elections now? 2007's Presidential election ran flawlessly thanks to one diligent Election Commissioner / SCC board member who kept control of the otherwise-mess of a process.
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The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Feb 24, 2009 12:56:10 GMT -5
Okay, maybe it's 3 of the last 4 years that have been screwed up. I can distinctly remember three different GUSA election messes.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 24, 2009 13:03:07 GMT -5
Okay, maybe it's 3 of the last 4 years that have been screwed up. I can distinctly remember three different GUSA election messes. Oh yeah you're definitely right. It's been a debacle for years now. There was a Giblin/Lashner mess, one that resulted in Twister winning...I think Pravin's year had some kind of problem, now this one. I just mentioned '07 b/c it was nice to work w/ someone who actually made the cluster-EDITED that is a GUSA election work (however briefly).
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 24, 2009 13:13:32 GMT -5
Every GUSA election is a disaster. Every one was plagued by nuisance issues. Can we just end it for once and for all?
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Feb 24, 2009 13:27:34 GMT -5
Can't remember/never really cared, but didn't someone run for president on a platform of something like "more chicken fingers"?
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The Stig
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Post by The Stig on Feb 24, 2009 14:37:28 GMT -5
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Feb 24, 2009 17:24:16 GMT -5
We had a saying when we were in school:
"GUSA sucks"
Simple? Yes. Not very creative? Sure. But accurate and to the point? You betcha'!
Glad to see some things haven't changed.
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sead43
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Post by sead43 on Feb 24, 2009 18:17:06 GMT -5
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PhillyHoya
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Post by PhillyHoya on Feb 24, 2009 18:43:58 GMT -5
If there were any way to vote for Hipple/Feng as an alum, I would totally do it.
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Feb 24, 2009 19:04:02 GMT -5
We have the weirdest ass problems out of any student body in America.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Feb 24, 2009 21:22:33 GMT -5
Can't remember/never really cared, but didn't someone run for president on a platform of something like "more chicken fingers"? That would be the Busch & Balls campaign of 2002, my friend. It was a joke campaign run by two outgoing seniors (and polled higher than 2 of the legit tickets).
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 24, 2009 22:24:09 GMT -5
If Old Man Frank Black were still around, he'd say something like...
"Nonsense! When we elected the Yard President, we had no sorts of foolishness like this, because those SFS students didn't have the right to vote!"
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Post by LizziebethHoya on Feb 25, 2009 8:37:33 GMT -5
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Bando
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Post by Bando on Feb 25, 2009 11:56:39 GMT -5
If Old Man Frank Black were still around, he'd say something like... "Nonsense! When we elected the Yard President, we had no sorts of foolishness like this, because those SFS students didn't have the right to vote!"As insufferable as the GUSA people are, they were nowhere near as bad as the Yard advocates. The only time I cared about student government during my time on the Hilltop was when we voted down the resurrection of the Yard.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 25, 2009 12:27:10 GMT -5
What was the Yard exactly? Every year, it gets mentioned, usually right around the time GUSA has a farce of an election.
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Bando
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Post by Bando on Feb 25, 2009 12:46:36 GMT -5
It was an older form of student government, where representation was determined by club membership instead of class. It basically disenfranchised anyone not in a club and elevated the power of those who were "involved". So it needed to be destroyed.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 25, 2009 13:10:40 GMT -5
It was an older form of student government, where representation was determined by club membership instead of class. It basically disenfranchised anyone not in a club and elevated the power of those who were "involved". So it needed to be destroyed. Ummm, not quite. There were two "Yard" components, the Yard president and the Yard Council. The Yard President (1893-1969) was elected annually by a vote of the student body at Gaston Hall and represented the student body of the College at various events and convocations. The Yard (aka College Student Council, roughly 1940-1969) met at Copley Formmal Lounge had seats for each class president and permanent seats for representatives of the major organizations (M&B, The HOYA, IRC, athletics, etc.). Both were disbanded in 1969 when the freshman class deemed it part of "the establishment" ( booo!) and founded the Undergraduate Student Government (1969-1983), which elected four at-large senators per class, a president and a VP. After collapsing of its own self-important weight, GUSA followed and appears to be on track to doing the same. The Yard's chief criticism was it was a College-only group--if you were in SFS, MSB, or Nursing, you not only could not vote for the Yard President, you couldn't live on campus at all. Those days, you lived in Loyola or off campus for SFS, Business, or Ling Lang students, and Nursing had Darnall or St. Mary's. Well into the 1960's, the College had its own newspaper (The HOYA) and yearbook (Ye Domesday Booke) and the so-called "East Campus" had The Courier and The Protocol. (The HOYA withdrew its seat from the Yard when it became a "university" newspaper and not the official College paper.) Disenfranchisement is an easy phrase to throw around for college politics, but the fact of the matter is that GUSA has very little power and even less respect among the administration. If the Yard had one thing going, is that the president had a moral authority to the Jesuits as the students' chosen respresentative. When the University proposed coeducation for the College in 1966, it was voted down by the College--and the University acceeded to its wishes! (Imagine that!) Two years later it passed. This latest election chicanery doesn't sell DeGioia one bit that the GUSA president is somehow more a "leader" than a cashier at Vittles.
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Bando
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Post by Bando on Feb 25, 2009 14:14:38 GMT -5
I don't see why being a Yard opponent automatically makes one a GUSA booster, and that's certainly not my position. Nonetheless, the Yard significantly over-represented students in clubs to the detriment of those who weren't. The arguments made by proponents of the Yard Referendum (1999?) were incredibly weak, appealing to elitism (they specifically noted that those who "cared" would have more say) and a conflagration of "old" and "good". (incidentally, voting against going co-ed is not what I would consider a Yard achievement)
GUSA is certainly weak and ill-performing, but this fact alone does not make the case for the Yard. No Yardie I've ever spoken to has seemed to grasp this. Equal representation is a baseline for any new student government that might be proposed; the Yard by its very nature fails this basic test.
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