CO_Hoya
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Post by CO_Hoya on Feb 27, 2009 19:15:47 GMT -5
After all, you do think that our offense is better this year than it was last year. Please stop it. Actually, the Hoyas offense is better than last year, by a fuzz. In conference this year, Georgetown scores 104.7 points / 100 possessions. In conference last year, Georgetown scored 103.9 points / 100 possessions. Unfortunately, the team has gone from elite defensively to poor. In conference this year, Georgetown allows 107.4 points / 100 possessions. In conference last year, Georgetown allowed 92.4 points / 100 possessions. |
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Feb 27, 2009 19:17:26 GMT -5
One thing on the backdoors -- it's not all on the players failing to try to cut. If you have been watching the team this year, then you must admit that part of the problem is that teams have figured out that they can prevent the backdoors by simply grabbing the cutter. It has happened all season - it is occasionally called, but not often enough. I know some will say it is a copout, but I don't care, because it is true.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on Feb 27, 2009 19:42:15 GMT -5
One thing on the backdoors -- it's not all on the players failing to try to cut. If you have been watching the team this year, then you must admit that part of the problem is that teams have figured out that they can prevent the backdoors by simply grabbing the cutter. It has happened all season - it is occasionally called, but not often enough. I know some will say it is a copout, but I don't care, because it is true. i agree with that. it's also easier to hold on cuts when you arent worried about guys making open shots |
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 27, 2009 20:23:42 GMT -5
Its also alot easier to lay back in a passing lane off of monroe and deny his move to the left because its the only one he has. it took about six weeks for the oppostion to figure it out. when your outside threat coming into the season has only shot about 30% from the 3 since january of last year, fourcing our 4 to become our only legitimate and semi-consistent 3point shooter i think the Ptown offense is working very well. I continue to be amazed however at IIIs lack or lets say stubborness to make in game adjustments in regards to attacking a zone.
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Post by bigtymehoya on Feb 27, 2009 21:00:51 GMT -5
After all, you do think that our offense is better this year than it was last year. Please stop it. Actually, the Hoyas offense is better than last year, by a fuzz. In conference this year, Georgetown scores 104.7 points / 100 possessions. In conference last year, Georgetown scored 103.9 points / 100 possessions. Unfortunately, the team has gone from elite defensively to poor. In conference this year, Georgetown allows 107.4 points / 100 possessions. In conference last year, Georgetown allowed 92.4 points / 100 possessions. I'm sorry, but I guess I may be the only one that believes that playing good offense means more than how many points the team gets per 100 possessions. To me, it means sharing the ball, getting the best shot, and getting your big man some more touches. These are things I don't think we do well this year, and therefore, I find it hard to believe that anyone can think we play better offensively this year. |
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Post by bigtymehoya on Feb 27, 2009 21:03:54 GMT -5
Not to mention, when we shoot better, it opens up backdoor cuts--something we have been missing this year. We cannot blame the lack of backdoors solely on holding a player while they are cutting to the basket. When we shoot well, the defensive players play us more closely, which opens up the back door. We rarely play a game where we do all of this.
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royski
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Post by royski on Feb 27, 2009 21:11:20 GMT -5
Well, how many points you score per possession should tell you EXACTLY how good your offense is. I submit that the offense is slightly overrated statistically because we get into games where there is less defense on both sides of the ball, generally prompted by our style of play this season. Good teams look to outscore us rather than lock us down because they know we're more likely to get a big bucket than a big stop.
Our success as a team is nearly entirely predicated on D. There's a slight correlation between wins and losses for us based on how we do offensively. However, look at the defense. In games where we surrender under 98 points per 100 possessions, Hoyas are 11-0. Over 98, and they're 3-12. The offense has been a little off to me based on the sight test, but its almost entirely the defense that is causing our struggles.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Feb 27, 2009 21:47:46 GMT -5
This year's team gets to the foul line much more than last year's team.
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Post by bicentennial on Feb 27, 2009 22:53:52 GMT -5
I agree that defense is the bigger problem but we have also been unlucky. An interesting article by Gasaway at Basketball Prospectus. KenPom also has us beeing very unlucky. Article at Basketball Prospectus on Luck:
Georgetown (Actual: 5-10; Predicted: 7-8). This month the Hoyas lost consecutive overtime games to Cincinnati and Syracuse. Last Saturday they lost to Marquette by six. By contrast, John Thompson III's team has won five Big East games by an average of 13 points per contest.
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Post by bicentennial on Feb 27, 2009 23:00:44 GMT -5
Looked at the Ken Pom numbers again. Our of 344 teams in NCAA division 1 Georgetown 336 on luck rating, 344 on consistency and 2 on schedule. By comparison Oregon with number 1 schedule is 150 on luck. Hopefully, lady luck starts smiling on us!
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Feb 27, 2009 23:38:41 GMT -5
Actually, the Hoyas offense is better than last year, by a fuzz. In conference this year, Georgetown scores 104.7 points / 100 possessions. In conference last year, Georgetown scored 103.9 points / 100 possessions. Unfortunately, the team has gone from elite defensively to poor. In conference this year, Georgetown allows 107.4 points / 100 possessions. In conference last year, Georgetown allowed 92.4 points / 100 possessions. I'm sorry, but I guess I may be the only one that believes that playing good offense means more than how many points the team gets per 100 possessions. To me, it means sharing the ball, getting the best shot, and getting your big man some more touches. These are things I don't think we do well this year, and therefore, I find it hard to believe that anyone can think we play better offensively this year. If you are going to compare the offense, you might want to actually compare it to last year rather than just saying what we do wrong. We didn't share the ball particuarly well last year year, nor did we always get the best shot, and we definitely didn't get our big man enough touches, especially when you compare the back to the basket skill-set. Things we do better are getting to the foul line, penetrating, and we do get a good deal of open shots, our problem is just that we don't get them to go down. Especially the layups. |
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