calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Feb 21, 2009 16:51:13 GMT -5
It's like Groundhog Day. The game is close and then somewhere around the 10 minute mark, the Hoyas just seem to lose their focus and no one steps up to take charge. Suddenly it's one on one time, Wright spinning out of control, Summers and Freeman showing that they do not have big time ball handling skills, Monroe playing more like a freshman now than he did two months ago, Sapp continuing his senior season funk and no support from the bench. It is a shame, because I really believe that this team is underachieving more than any in recent memory. It's been a few years since I watched the 2nd half of cloes games, waiting for them to fall apart--and yet at no time today did I believe that these guys would hang on with Marquette.
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Post by 1984alloveragain on Feb 21, 2009 17:02:37 GMT -5
I love JT III, but if we're gonna turn it over like the esh teams, we BETTER rebound like the POPS teams.
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Post by hoyaalf on Feb 21, 2009 17:03:08 GMT -5
I'm sad to say that I agree. I could sense the vultures circling. Did you see the bench in the last minute: a team on suicide watch.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 21, 2009 17:09:22 GMT -5
Simple: 3 straight Summers turnovers. Ball game.
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Post by NCHoya on Feb 21, 2009 17:21:34 GMT -5
This one came down to critical tunrnovers, we actually ran the offense OK. Couple of wide open 3s and a chance at a lay-up if Dajuan did not blow it. I just re-watched that critical 8 to 4 minute mark; DS had a missed lay-up, a charge and another ball he lost out of bounce on the drive. Those 3 and Austin's kicked ball on the break basically gave MU too much margin for us to win.
Summers ball handling skills, not just dribbling, but catching and holding the ball seem to be getting worse and worse.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 21, 2009 17:24:15 GMT -5
No, this game wasn't lost on critical turnovers, or even lack of leadership. This game was lost in the first half by our defense. Yes, we almost won inspite of the horrible defense, but had we played the way are capable of playing (and showed in the second half), than we would have won. Plain and simple.
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Post by chep3 on Feb 21, 2009 17:25:06 GMT -5
Disagree with this thread. Thought we ran the offense pretty well down the stretch. We got really nice looks a lot of times, but couldn't seem to get them to fall.
Dajuan is killing me though. The turnovers, the lack of intensity on defense, all of it. He needs to do more than just score. Not going to speculate if he is or not, but he should not be thinking about going pro right now.
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Post by dchoyafan on Feb 21, 2009 17:40:26 GMT -5
We missed a ton of layups in crunch time, as well as opportunities such as Monroe's 1+1. It feels like karma reversing from last year's team, which ALWAYS pulled out games that were close in the last 4 minutes. This team does the opposite; with the exception of the Memphis game (which got everyone's hopes up prematurely) we haven't won a close game all year.
It comes down to experience. Our top players last year were all seniors. This year they are freshmen and sophomores. One thing I can say about Marquetter- their senior leaders' experience plays a huge role in their success. Expect a huge falloff without them next year.
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Post by dehoya on Feb 21, 2009 18:58:12 GMT -5
I don't think we could play any better than we did in the first half offensively, but Marquette seemed like they score like that on a regular basis. Therefore I was not surprised when we started turning the ball over that we couldn't match them. We all wanted a win and needed a win badly but Marquette is an great team and we arent close period. Both teams records back that uo
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Post by sleepy on Feb 21, 2009 18:58:34 GMT -5
We missed a ton of layups in crunch time, as well as opportunities such as Monroe's 1+1. It feels like karma reversing from last year's team, which ALWAYS pulled out games that were close in the last 4 minutes. This team does the opposite; with the exception of the Memphis game (which got everyone's hopes up prematurely) we haven't won a close game all year. It comes down to experience. Our top players last year were all seniors. This year they are freshmen and sophomores. One thing I can say about Marquetter- their senior leaders' experience plays a huge role in their success. Expect a huge falloff without them next year. As with almost every team in the Big East. Uconn loses Thatbeet, Price, Adrien. Pitt loses Fields, Young and possibly Blair, Louisville will lose Williams, McGee and probably Clark , Syracuse will probably lose Flynn and Onuaku. Thats five of the top 8 Big East teams that lose their best players. Cinci loses a lot as well I believe. It will be interesting but next year will be easier than this. Playing against less expierence.
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Post by saxacalhoya on Feb 21, 2009 18:59:13 GMT -5
It comes down to experience. Our top players last year were all seniors. This year they are freshmen and sophomores. Simply doesn't explain Dajuan and Jessie, the both of them should be the hands down leaders of this team. Dajuan is the most frustrating. He has the talent, but is unable to keep his intensity and focus for an entire game. And you would think as a B'More kid he would be a killah down the stretch ... just not the case.
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Post by sleepy on Feb 21, 2009 19:03:12 GMT -5
It comes down to experience. Our top players last year were all seniors. This year they are freshmen and sophomores. Simply doesn't explain Dajuan and Jessie, the both of them should be the hands down leaders of this team. Dajuan is the most frustrating. He has the talent, but is unable to keep his intensity and focus for an entire game. And you would think as a B'More kid he would be a killah down the stretch ... just not the case. Why? The seniors took all the pressure off of them in late game situations last year. Yes, they made big shots too, but they didn't have pressure on them to take those shots and find them.
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Post by dehoya on Feb 21, 2009 19:08:04 GMT -5
Todays game was a good one even though we took the L. I am a huge JTIII supporter but one thing that makes me so mad is when the refs seem to blow calls when we attack the basket and III just claps. I am not all for complaining every play but when it is blatant, it wont effect your reputation if you discuss it w the ref. We all know basketball well enough to know that if the ref knows the coach is unhappy, he will watch things more closely and you might get a call later on. Quit the clapping and stand up for the boys. Especially in a close second half like today.
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Post by RDF on Feb 21, 2009 19:11:11 GMT -5
I'm sorry but it doesn't take "leadership" to understand how the game is played. If you are Jason Clark and DaJuan Summers--why would you ever double/chase Dominic James and leave open Hayward, Matthews, or McNeal? James is an inconsistent shooter and if he makes a shot--tip your hat to him. If you let the good shooters get open looks--that is on you and your lack of basketball intelligence--not how old/young you are.
Does it take years of experience to learn:
1. How to hustle? 2. How to RUN-as in SPRINT back on defense instead of jog? 3. How to move without the basketball--which btw is required in ANY OFFENSIVE SYSTEM. 4. Work on your game in offseason? 5. Help your teammates out on defensive end of court?
These players have played this game since they were little. They know how to play the game--but the problem is in executing as a TEAM. It's been that way since WVU game and while it's improved offensively--it's an embarrassment defensively.
Dajuan Summers gave up 3-4 layups due to jogging back on defense today. That is inexcusable if you are an AAU player. You either sprint back or don't bother taking the court.
Jessie Sapp has played like what was expected of him--hustle and scrapping--but he's a small player on a team that needs it's limited frontcourt to produce. Summers is the guy to count on and that is like playing Russian Roulette with a loaded gun with your season-as has been proven. You have a kid who can shoot it--and..........improved his face up mid range shot.....and..........scowls on court well.......and............
Anyone figure out he does NOT do a thing to help this team aside from scoring/shooting? That is acceptible if he was busting his butt on other end of court--but that is embarrassment of this team. He's more apt to give up a layup and watch a play happen then get his butt back to help teammates and his nose in a fight for loose ball.
Leadership is more then words--and this team is full of "talk"--and they can't back up a damn thing.
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Post by saxacalhoya on Feb 21, 2009 19:17:11 GMT -5
Why? The seniors took all the pressure off of them in late game situations last year. Yes, they made big shots too, but they didn't have pressure on them to take those shots and find them. Simply disagree, they were in the situations and saw what it took to step-up. What it meant to will oneself to the next level. They were on the same stage and were contributing to those successes as well, now it's their turn. From Jeff the year before to Roy and J-Wall last year, Dajuan and Jessie saw what it meant to be a leader. Dajuan, in particular, if he wants to be the big man on the team he needs to show it from beginning to end. Also, both of them are from cities in which you need to prove yourself pick-up game to pick-up game, summer league to summer league ... they're D-1 at Georgetown for a reason. I just don't buy "the seniors took the pressure off of them" argument. Now, if we're saying that they may be more of role players and aren't necessarily capable of leading, that's another thing.
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Post by henlehoya on Feb 21, 2009 19:19:29 GMT -5
Simply doesn't explain Dajuan and Jessie, the both of them should be the hands down leaders of this team. Dajuan is the most frustrating. He has the talent, but is unable to keep his intensity and focus for an entire game. And you would think as a B'More kid he would be a killah down the stretch ... just not the case. Why? The seniors took all the pressure off of them in late game situations last year. Yes, they made big shots too, but they didn't have pressure on them to take those shots and find them. I agree completely. I haven't seen this point made explicitly yet but it really does explain a lot. Whether it was Jessie's three against WVU or DaJuan's at home at Louisville last year, I don't think it's accurate to say the pressure to create AND finish was on anyone but the seniors. Being a class that dealt with it together from an NIT appearance to a Final Four one, the pressure on them was only on after they'd preformed well enough to warrant it.
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Post by professorhoya on Feb 21, 2009 19:22:17 GMT -5
It comes down to experience. Our top players last year were all seniors. This year they are freshmen and sophomores. Simply doesn't explain Dajuan and Jessie, the both of them should be the hands down leaders of this team. Dajuan is the most frustrating. He has the talent, but is unable to keep his intensity and focus for an entire game. And you would think as a B'More kid he would be a killah down the stretch ... just not the case. DeJuan doesn't have the personality to be a leader. There's nothing wrong with that but you can't change that. He's a secondary or tertiary player like a Scottie Pippen or James Worthy. I think he plays much better when he's not the go to guy but the 3rd or 4th option and not the primary focus of the defense. As for the leadership problem with Sapp that slipped away earlier in the season.
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Post by SirSaxa on Feb 21, 2009 19:25:38 GMT -5
I think the team played pretty well today. Not perfect, but pretty well against a top ten team that has only lost 4 games all year, only 2 in the BE. AND, they have senior leadership at the three guard spots.
Dajuan can and should be faulted. He had 5 TOs for the game. 5 of our total of 12.
But the team as a whole played like a team, with fire and intensity, and like a young team. The hallmark of JT3 teams before this year was winning the close ones, the OT games.
But this year? Young team. They lost this in the last few minutes with dumb mistakes. But NOT because they weren't trying or playing like a team -- not like the 5 game, chemistry induced, losing streak.
Let's face it. This team is NOT that good this year. Maybe they could have won 2-3 more games without that mid-season melt down. But as for the rest of the time, they are playing up to their talent level.
I just hope the team returns everyone... including Summers. And works hard during the summer.
We need the bench to develop and the starters to stay and grow. If that happens, next year will be very exciting.
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Post by kellycpcm on Feb 21, 2009 19:26:14 GMT -5
There was a lot more emotion today on the team than the rest of the loosing streak. But no PE II among the whole group.
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Post by dchoyafan on Feb 21, 2009 19:29:19 GMT -5
It comes down to experience. Our top players last year were all seniors. This year they are freshmen and sophomores. Simply doesn't explain Dajuan and Jessie, the both of them should be the hands down leaders of this team. Dajuan is the most frustrating. He has the talent, but is unable to keep his intensity and focus for an entire game. And you would think as a B'More kid he would be a killah down the stretch ... just not the case. At this point I would have to say that Summer and Sapp simply aren't our best players. That would be Monroe and Wright. Nor are they our leaders. That would (arguably) be Wright. I think you can really see how the freshman (or underclassman) jitters hit us when you saw Wright pressing too hard at the end of games throughout much of January, or Monroe missing FTs at the end of games- FTs that he would be making in the 1st half. I agree that it is disappointing Summers and Sapp haven't stepped up, but I would argue that based on their overall PLAY rather than their AGE, Monroe and Wright are our best. And they are young and jittery at the end of close games. Summers should be stabilizing them, but he simply hasn't stepped up his game, esp on defense. And Sapp has regressed. It is too bad, but it does lead me to believe that, next year, we will be MUCH better in close games. Experience makes a difference.
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