SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 4, 2009 16:31:56 GMT -5
SF I feel like you are arguing the points rather than the actual point behind it....I am not saying we need to do anything drastic...I believe it really only matters who plays the most minutes not really who starts..however I was just commenting, not disagreeing. That's why I didn't bother with the starting, etc. I don't disagree with the idea of giving Sims more time -- I like the idea -- I just think some of the reasons why aren't quite right and some of the Simsian faction are ignoring some possible downsides.
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Post by pahoyafan1 on Feb 4, 2009 16:34:16 GMT -5
Why do we have to match up with other team's lineups, let's make teams matchup with us. Why not play a zone with Monroe, Sims, Summers, and two guards against a team like Marquette, slow the game down, feed the post on offense and let the bigs control the game by scoring in the post or kicking it out to open guards. We shot the ball great that game and still lost by dd. Make them shoot over a zone, and I can't see how we don't control the boards with that lineup.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2009 16:35:26 GMT -5
I think we've reached the point where we can have a thread simultaneously on the Basketball Board and Blue & Gray: "Who's the True Messiah - Barack Obama or Henry Sims?"
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Post by pahoyafan1 on Feb 4, 2009 16:43:25 GMT -5
LOL, I'm not saying Sims is the Messiah, what I am saying is that this team cannot run and gun with teams like Duke and Marquette.
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 4, 2009 16:46:10 GMT -5
Switch Sapp and Wright, and I'll buy into this new lineup. Wright doesn't run the offense as well as Sapp. And Sims/Monroe run it excellently, as does Freeman. Summers, not as much, but he's too much of a threat not to start.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Feb 4, 2009 16:49:52 GMT -5
another chris wright hater....i have a feeling that all of the chris wright haters on this board will be eating their words by the end of the season
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Post by strummer8526 on Feb 4, 2009 16:52:34 GMT -5
another chris wright hater....i have a feeling that all of the chris wright haters on this board will be eating their words by the end of the season I don't think I was hating. I said that he doesn't run the offense as well as Sapp. Sapp has played in it for 4 years. And quite frankly, we looked good last night when we played our old deliberate, slow, thoughtful style of offense. I slapped my head when Wright went barreling into the land 3 or 4 times and got nothing to show for it.
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Post by Boz on Feb 4, 2009 17:00:35 GMT -5
I think we should start Sims, Vaughn and Nikita in the front court, with Clark and Wattad in the backcourt.
We lull the other team into a false sense of security in the first 4 to 8 minutes. Where are the starters? Are they hurt? Are they benched for violating team rules? Do they all have mono? What the hell is going on here?
Heck, they may be so flustered and bamboozled that they end up missing all of their shots in the first several minutes anyway.
Then, at the second TV timeout, we bring in Monroe, Summers, Freeman, Sapp and Wright and blow their doors off!!
Classic reinforcements/suprise attack strategy. It can't fail.
I know, I know. Why am I not a basketball coach, right?
Believe me, I ask myself that same question every day.
;D
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Post by jbhoya on Feb 4, 2009 17:05:43 GMT -5
I decided to stop lurking to reinforce this thread.
Sims needs more minutes...especially with Monroe. I don't think we give up that much on defense since we should at least have one big man near the paint; what we lose in perimeter defense, we gain in altering and blocking inside shots.
Speaking of defense, could we press once in a blue moon? It doesn't have to be more than 1-2 possessions a game, but give the other team something different to look at and think about. Part of the 5-game skid was teams getting used to our offensive and defensive schemes. Mix it up once in awhile, coach.
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Post by theyellofallyells on Feb 4, 2009 17:31:25 GMT -5
Sims is a project...throw him in there now full blown like that and you might not ever make much of a player out of him. You have to bring him along slowly...secondly...Nikita getting more time is a great thing in my opinion...he changes how teams have to play against us...why not go small and leave dajuan and nikita out there sometimes...too many shooters to guard
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Post by pahoyafan1 on Feb 4, 2009 17:50:42 GMT -5
Hibbert was a project and was thrown into the fire early in his collegiate career. I'm not comparing the two, but I feel like using Sims like this for 15-20 minutes a game can really help us out during certain periods of the game when our offense goes into droughts when we are just throwing the ball around the perimeter and firing bad 3's, or when teams are starting to go on those big runs that seem to kill any momentum or confidence we had earlier in the game. I defenitly agree that Sims is a bit of a project, and he will be much better over time as he gets stronger, but I think there are times when he can really help us right now.
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 4, 2009 18:07:59 GMT -5
Why do we have to match up with other team's lineups, let's make teams matchup with us. That only works if the offense you are producing is so great that the other team feels it is necessary to make a defensive adjustment even if it means sacraficing their own offensive production. Basically, if we are playing a team like Marquette who starts three very good guards, Sims has to be so outstanding on the offensive end that Marquette decides to sit one of their best offensive players in order to defend Sims. In effect, Sims has to be so good at scoring that Marquette decides it's more important to sit one of the three guys who collectively score 80% of the teams points on any given night. Sims isn't there yet. He'll get there, but right now, if I'm the coach of a team with three guards who each put up 15-20 a game, I will not adjust my lineup to deal with Sims unless he's putting up 20 a game. It's a basic cost-benefit analysis. The end result is that we end up with a horrible mismatch on the defensive end that the other team exploits, but we are not yet adept enough to exploit it as well or better at the other end of the court. Until we can, we have to pay attention to the defensive side of the game. Besides, offense is not the problem this season. I can't believe we're even talking about it so much. It's the DEFENSE that is HORRIBLE. We play even mediocre defense over the last month and we'd be sitting at the other end of the Big East standings.
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Post by pahoyafan1 on Feb 4, 2009 18:30:19 GMT -5
I agree that D is a huge problem this year, and it's obvious we can't guard teams like Marquette man to man which is why I suggested going to a long zone and slowing the game down to reduce the number of possessions they would have during the course of the game. This style seemed to frustrate opponents guards the last few years, who knows
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Post by Big Dog on Feb 4, 2009 19:14:24 GMT -5
I thought it was a well thought out post with good analysis. And of course, you could point to Saed. But something tells me that Dailey was thinking about players who play major minutes and who have the chance to make a big contribution. Not sure why Big Dog vilified him, but I thought it was a very good post. I think "vilified" is a bit strong, don't you?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 4, 2009 20:07:25 GMT -5
To add on to Cambridge, try this little thought exercise.
You're Buzz Williams.
One one end, Lazar Hayward is outquicking Henry Sims for points, driving past him and getting open on the perimeter because Sims can't stay with him.
On the other end, Sims isn't grabbing a lot of offensive boards -- at least compared to what putting in a bigger man would do -- and Sims is almost never posting up.
Do you think the trade-off is worth it to Williams? Or does he pull Hayward because it isn't?
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 4, 2009 20:29:14 GMT -5
To add on to Cambridge, try this little thought exercise. You're Buzz Williams. One one end, Lazar Hayward is outquicking Henry Sims for points, driving past him and getting open on the perimeter because Sims can't stay with him. On the other end, Sims isn't grabbing a lot of offensive boards -- at least compared to what putting in a bigger man would do -- and Sims is almost never posting up. Do you think the trade-off is worth it to Williams? Or does he pull Hayward because it isn't? That's fine with Marquette, but he didn't just sit out Marquette. He sat out almost the entire 5-game losing streak. Surely Sims could have helped us against the Hall, if in no other way but knowing that two of our guys would be scoring in the paint most of the time. So by random chance we have a 40% shot at the ball not being in the hands of someone who will chuck it up from 22 feet. Since Sims gave up his three-point shot, I almost want him out there so we have another player who won't take an ill-advised three. He's also a player who we can play high-low with against the zone. Also I know you've always been against the "Dajuan is a 3" argument but Dajuan never posts as you point out. In that way he can only be described as a 3. So Sims gives us two guys to operate at the high or low post when the opposing team inevitably goes zone against our poor shooting. The larger point is while the system calls for "5 basketball players" it turns out, and many might disagree, that really doesn't work. You need guys who play certain positions but with a wide range of skills. It's why we were always tightrope walking last year and why we've been erratic this year. And right now we are short one power forward most of the time and Sims can remedy that at least half the game.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Feb 4, 2009 20:52:49 GMT -5
Hey, I'd have liked to see some Sims versus Seton Hall. I'm pro more minutes for Sims. Just pointing out that hey, maybe the staff has a reason for its decisions. I see way too many "I'm a genius, they are idiots" posts.
(And Stix Mitchell isn't a great matchup for Sims either, but I'd have liked to have seen it).
DaJuan is a three. I just think that gives him an edge versus fours on offense. He's not quicker than other threes, but he's quicker than most fours.
Where it hurts him is rebounding and possibly D, though there aren't many Jeff Adriens to test that.
I'd like to see more time for Sims. And I can totally buy an argument that says, "I think it will improve the D and rebounding, and he can finish around the rim. I know we'll get hurt at times because his outside shooting has struggled and he doesn't create and some guys will burn him, but I'd like to see."
I don't get the "He's a four. We need a four. Summers is a 3. He needs to play at the 3. Because those are positions."
I'd also like to point out that Summers is probably heavier than Sims and not much shorter. Sims is not necessarily a cure-all for height and size.
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Post by bbb71 on Feb 4, 2009 21:08:26 GMT -5
I don't get the all the assumptions that seem to be taken as fact.
Where has it been demonstrated that Sims has no lateral quickness and is a complete liability on perimeter defense? I certainly haven't seen it. And if this were true, how would it be any different than Freeman, Omar or Nikita? On the defensive end, if nothing else, Henry does provide great help side D. This has been proven on more than one ocassion...which is more than can be said for anyone else on our team save Greg.
Second, even in limited minutes, an objective observer can see that Sims brings a lot to the table offensively. He's a good passer. He hustles and battles for offensive rebounds. He has good chemistry with Greg. And, which no one seems to be mentioning, he has a good skillset. He is already a better dribbler than Dajuan. And he can create...the and-one against Rutgers was a very strong, somewhat graceful move to the basket where he got bumped and still made the slight fallaway shot. As much as I love Dajuan, and believe in his NBA future, there is no way he could make that move right now.
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Post by Buckets on Feb 4, 2009 21:22:15 GMT -5
I don't get the all the assumptions that seem to be taken as fact. Where has it been demonstrated that Sims has no lateral quickness and is a complete liability on perimeter defense? I certainly haven't seen it. And if this were true, how would it be any different than Freeman, Omar or Nikita? On the defensive end, if nothing else, Henry does provide great help side D. This has been proven on more than one ocassion...which is more than can be said for anyone else on our team save Greg. Practice blah blah behind closed doors blah blah III is right blah blah. It's the same place Wattad and his 42.7 eFG% and abysmal defense are earning minutes over Sims.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Feb 4, 2009 21:25:44 GMT -5
I don't get the "He's a four. We need a four. Summers is a 3. He needs to play at the 3. Because those are positions." Here's why I think this is true. When Sims is in the game, we have a new player and someone has to guard him. Right now we have Greg and 4 progressively taller versions of the same skill set. That would seem to be tough to guard (They're coming at you from all angles), it's actually turned out to be pretty easy to guard in a lot of ways. All our patterns are pretty predictable and guarding us becomes a lot like that guy who beat Press Your Luck by timing the whammys. There are a limited number of patterns we can run when you know everyone's game is the same. That might change with experience but it's not that way now. It's funny but what we see in a traditional lineup with Sims is variety. And maybe we need that to keep teams honest.
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