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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 29, 2009 21:23:39 GMT -5
Speaking as a physician, plantar fasciitis usually requires rest and anti-inflammatories and surgery is not a primary mode of treatment, so I am not sure who the Post were talking to as a medical source. It is also not a condition that usually results immediately from a fall. As far as I am aware, surgery would only potentially be needed if the plantar fascia was torn. As an example, David Wells pitched most of a season with plantar fasciitis. I had plantar fasciitis from my running. Mainly, running in spikes without a solid arch support. It only took me a year and a half to get over it.  That is the bad side of it. The good side is that I ran most of the time that I had this injury. It feels like a heel bruise. Lots of stretching and icing is important. Using a heel cup is also beneficial. |
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 29, 2009 23:54:54 GMT -5
When it rains it pours.....................
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Post by mrsixer123 on Jan 30, 2009 0:03:13 GMT -5
"Gee, thanks Buzz. Are you basing that on your extensive experience coaching in the Big East, or because you moonlight as a medical doctor--one who can make diagnoses from 1000 miles away."
He wants his players to prepare mentally and physically for the game as if ds was playing
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Post by chep3 on Jan 30, 2009 1:03:19 GMT -5
He's just trying to ruin the Willis Reed moment that's going to happen in the 2nd half when Dajuan comes out of the tunnel and leads us to a rousing comeback victory.
No seriously, that would be awesome.
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 30, 2009 1:06:21 GMT -5
"Gee, thanks Buzz. Are you basing that on your extensive experience coaching in the Big East, or because you moonlight as a medical doctor--one who can make diagnoses from 1000 miles away." He wants his players to prepare mentally and physically for the game as if ds was playing Fine. Then the classy thing to do would be to say "we'll prepare as if he'll play," rather than spout off like a hothead know-it-all, and in the process imply that Gtown might mislead about his status. |
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Post by the_way on Jan 30, 2009 8:40:36 GMT -5
I don't know if this is a big deal or not.
I think Summers inconsistency and lack of leadership as an upperclassman has been part of the problem of our struggles.
Neither he nor Jesse Sapp have stepped up as leaders this year for our team and its one of the main reasons we are struggling big time. if he does not get hurt against cincy, i bet we still lose that game.
Sapp's struggle with his game has taken himself out psychologically. And Dajuan is still the guy that everybody is waiting to be that breakout player people mistakenly think he is. In reality, Dajuan is our Lamar Odom. Appears to have all the physical tools to be a big time, special and dominant player. May show a game or two a year where he actually seems to be that kind of player. But for the most part, his game is plagued with inconsistencies.
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Post by michaelgrahamfan on Jan 30, 2009 9:44:30 GMT -5
Clearly correct. I just wonder when Chris or Greg are going to get over their underclassman issue and take control. I would guess that this process must be internal and JTIII must sit and hope. Otherwise he would divide his team.
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Post by the_way on Jan 30, 2009 9:57:33 GMT -5
Clearly correct. I just wonder when Chris or Greg are going to get over their underclassman issue and take control. I would guess that this process must be internal and JTIII must sit and hope. Otherwise he would divide his team. i don't think its in Chris. Or freeman either to be leaders. I think Greg might have it. But you don't know. He may be another Mike Sweetney: good player, but no leadership qualities. its weird how Hibbert, Ewing, Crawford, Green, and Wallace all had some type of leadership qualities in them from day 1 that developed over time, and were the main reason why this program did a complete 180 in such a short time. Ewing, Jr had a great impact on the team during the year he sat out as a result of transferring. Without having even played a game. Thats leadership. Crawford barely played during his entire career, yet guys respected him as a leader and valued what he had to say. This is all in recruiting. Folks get enamoured with the 4 and 5 stars in terms of ability, but the character of a player means a lot to. Right now, we got guys with talent, and nothing more. |
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Jan 30, 2009 10:05:03 GMT -5
I agree with the way 110 percent on his last two posts
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Post by sleepy on Jan 30, 2009 10:35:39 GMT -5
I agree we need better leadership, but I don't think Wallace, Hibbert, Green or Crawford had that leadership ingrained in them when they came to Gtown. Their freshman year they went on that 5 game slide to end the season, and that was when they had three juniors leading them. They became great leaders by suffering through adversity and finding a way to fix it.
That maybe the problem with our "leaders" right now. They never really had to suffer through a lot of adversity and when they did they had the upperclassmen to carry them through. The toughest season Sapp had to get through was a sweet sixteen year, and Summers was a year we won the Big East conference championship. They are going through a learning process too. That being said, while stronger leadership would definitly help, I don't think its our main problem.
Whatever our problem is or whatever all our problems are, I think we will come out stronger at the end of this whole thing than we came in the beginning, if we turn it around. I think after the Pitt loss, and a few other "good" losses, everyone realized that this team lacked the toughness to face adversity when they were down. This recent skid out of control maybe the best thing for them, for future seasons that is, if they can somehow fight through it. You aren't born with mental toughnes or the ability to face adveristy well or even leadership skills, you learn it through life expierences. And apparently this team and all these players are going to learn it the hard way, the VERY hard way.
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Post by kghoya on Jan 30, 2009 10:44:40 GMT -5
good post sleepy. its easy to only focus on the good times when remembering other players.
those guys were 8-3 in the be that first year and only managed an 8-8 record with an nit bid
id rather see these guys start out slow and finish strong rather than vice versa (and yes i understand that there is no guarantee that they will finish strong. just saying)
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Post by the_way on Jan 30, 2009 10:52:30 GMT -5
good post sleepy. its easy to only focus on the good times when remembering other players. those guys were 8-3 in the be that first year and only managed an 8-8 record with an nit bid id rather see these guys start out slow and finish strong rather than vice versa (and yes i understand that there is no guarantee that they will finish strong. just saying) only managed an 8-8 record? lol This current group have the benefit of the prior regime's success AND talent. Our starting 5 is as good as anybody's man-to-man in the Big East, let alone the country. Hibbert, Wallace, Green did not have that luxury. Bowman was never a leader. Cook and Owens had never experienced winning at a high level. Everybody were freshman with JTIII and his system and his attempt to change the culture. we were the underdogg in just about every game we played, and lost to better teams. Not because they kids did not know how to fight. Teams with leadership or the potential do experience loss. That team was never lifeless. They continued to fight during adversity. This current group fades everytime they face adversity and crumble in crunch time. different type of players, and their mindset. |
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Post by sleepy on Jan 30, 2009 11:09:13 GMT -5
good post sleepy. its easy to only focus on the good times when remembering other players. those guys were 8-3 in the be that first year and only managed an 8-8 record with an nit bid id rather see these guys start out slow and finish strong rather than vice versa (and yes i understand that there is no guarantee that they will finish strong. just saying) only managed an 8-8 record? lol This current group have the benefit of the prior regime's success AND talent. Our starting 5 is as good as anybody's man-to-man in the Big East, let alone the country. Hibbert, Wallace, Green did not have that luxury. Bowman was never a leader. Cook and Owens had never experienced winning at a high level. Everybody were freshman with JTIII and his system and his attempt to change the culture. we were the underdogg in just about every game we played, and lost to better teams. Not because they kids did not know how to fight. Teams with leadership or the potential do experience loss. That team was never lifeless. They continued to fight during adversity. This current group fades everytime they face adversity and crumble in crunch time. different type of players, and their mindset. The benifit of the prior regimes success? I have no idea how the success the 08 class had benefits this group at all other than in recruiting, which again, doesn't help this team. If anything it hurts them because the current players never really had to face adversity, and when they did the senior shouldered the load. The players just need to learn how to deal with it. Also you have absolutly no idea what the current or past players midsets are/were during tough times so it is absolutly ridiculous to compare them. Also its your interpretation that this team doesn't fight during adveristy, I think they just fight poorly and go about it the wrong way. Either way facing adversity is learned and is what this team is learning. They are young and this whole expierence will make them tougher. |
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Post by the_way on Jan 30, 2009 11:23:06 GMT -5
only managed an 8-8 record? lol This current group have the benefit of the prior regime's success AND talent. Our starting 5 is as good as anybody's man-to-man in the Big East, let alone the country. Hibbert, Wallace, Green did not have that luxury. Bowman was never a leader. Cook and Owens had never experienced winning at a high level. Everybody were freshman with JTIII and his system and his attempt to change the culture. we were the underdogg in just about every game we played, and lost to better teams. Not because they kids did not know how to fight. Teams with leadership or the potential do experience loss. That team was never lifeless. They continued to fight during adversity. This current group fades everytime they face adversity and crumble in crunch time. different type of players, and their mindset. The benifit of the prior regimes success? I have no idea how the success the 08 class had benefits this group at all other than in recruiting, which again, doesn't help this team. If anything it hurts them because the current players never really had to face adversity, and when they did the senior shouldered the load. The players just need to learn how to deal with it. Also you have absolutly no idea what the current or past players midsets are/were during tough times so it is absolutly ridiculous to compare them. Also its your interpretation that this team doesn't fight during adveristy, I think they just fight poorly and go about it the wrong way. Either way facing adversity is learned and is what this team is learning. They are young and this whole expierence will make them tougher. The culture of winning has a lot do with the a program's success. There was none when JTIII first arrived here. Its harder to win ther hasn't been any evidence in the past. You are going on blind faith. We have had success the past 3 years. Great success. We have a foundation of winning culture. Thats a big plus in comparison to what we had when JTIII first got here. 8-8 in the Big East back then was a MAJOR accomplishment for that group and want they had gone through prior to JTIII's arrival. We need a change in attitude by the players. They have the talent. Lot of all-americans on this squad. They just fold under pressure. |
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Post by kghoya on Jan 30, 2009 11:26:52 GMT -5
good post sleepy. its easy to only focus on the good times when remembering other players. those guys were 8-3 in the be that first year and only managed an 8-8 record with an nit bid id rather see these guys start out slow and finish strong rather than vice versa (and yes i understand that there is no guarantee that they will finish strong. just saying) only managed an 8-8 record? lol This current group have the benefit of the prior regime's success AND talent. Our starting 5 is as good as anybody's man-to-man in the Big East, let alone the country. Hibbert, Wallace, Green did not have that luxury. Bowman was never a leader. Cook and Owens had never experienced winning at a high level. Everybody were freshman with JTIII and his system and his attempt to change the culture. we were the underdogg in just about every game we played, and lost to better teams. Not because they kids did not know how to fight. Teams with leadership or the potential do experience loss. That team was never lifeless. They continued to fight during adversity. This current group fades everytime they face adversity and crumble in crunch time. different type of players, and their mindset. 8-8 before the season would have been a great record that everybody would have taken. its the way they got there. they were 8-3 and lost their last 5 conf games including at home to a providence team that finished 4-12. lost on the road to a st johns team that finished 3-13. lets not pretend that those guys never made mistakes or didnt lose to bad teams |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 30, 2009 11:28:00 GMT -5
I think it is fair to say that we seem to lack strong leadership on the floor right now. I think it is also premature to suggest that we don't have anyone on this team capable of leading with the possible exception of Monroe; we may be surprised at what Chris or Jason or even Henry or Julian can do with a little more time. I have to have faith that JTIII recruits kids with character who have the ability to become leaders. Not a guarantee, of course, but somebody will step up - hopefully very soon!
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Post by sleepy on Jan 30, 2009 11:32:57 GMT -5
The benifit of the prior regimes success? I have no idea how the success the 08 class had benefits this group at all other than in recruiting, which again, doesn't help this team. If anything it hurts them because the current players never really had to face adversity, and when they did the senior shouldered the load. The players just need to learn how to deal with it. Also you have absolutly no idea what the current or past players midsets are/were during tough times so it is absolutly ridiculous to compare them. Also its your interpretation that this team doesn't fight during adveristy, I think they just fight poorly and go about it the wrong way. Either way facing adversity is learned and is what this team is learning. They are young and this whole expierence will make them tougher. The culture of winning has a lot do with the a program's success. There was none when JTIII first arrived here. Its harder to win ther hasn't been any evidence in the past. You are going on blind faith. We have had success the past 3 years. Great success. We have a foundation of winning culture. Thats a big plus in comparison to what we had when JTIII first got here. 8-8 in the Big East back then was a MAJOR accomplishment for that group and want they had gone through prior to JTIII's arrival. We need a change in attitude by the players. They have the talent. Lot of all-americans on this squad. They just fold under pressure. But that culture of winning can easily be negated by the pressure to win that is now on the players, and like you said they fold under pressure, so this team would probably be better served playing in that 04-05 season. I agree they need to face adversity better, but I think the best way to do that is to come together and fight. The main problem they had in close games is that they didn't come together enough, I don't think they gave up or even ran away from the challenge, they just attacked it the wrong way. That is mainly caused by be a whole new team, they need to rally around each other. This is a TEAM problem, not a problem caused by certain individuals. |
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Post by bmartin on Jan 30, 2009 11:35:46 GMT -5
Wallace and Green especially knew their roles and the roles that each of their teammates needed to fill. It was not "rah-rah" leadership, it was establishing control of the team in a way that made the team better.
During their freshman year, the team was too dependent on Jeff Green. Roy was not there yet.
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Post by FewFAC on Jan 30, 2009 15:07:16 GMT -5
I argued before the season began that Chris would be a key to this season. There was a large leadership void coming into this season, and the season would turn on how well he managed to fill that void. For the most part, that remains true.
What is stunning to me is that the players in whom that leadership void should have been entrusted simply have not accepted that responsibility and run with it, which is why, by default, it has reverted to Chris. I think that a lot of players "want" to be the leader, but no one really knows how to make the sacrifices necessary...
I think Jessie is the closest to understanding what is necessary, but his lack of production has undercut his confidence, aggressiveness, and contribution in general.
Learning about adversity will serve all of these players well, because you almost never win a national title without facing some type of adversity along the way, be it through injury or through in-game deficits.
To be fair, it is not as if this team is getting blown out, which would be really troublesome, so there is some fight. And determining through the recruiting process the "toughness" quotient of a player is difficult at best, and there is not exactly a Wonderlic for it.
If the fire to win is not strong enough, the lessons of defeat should be strong motivators. If defeat is not a sufficient motivator, so be it.
I do not believe that to be the case, because the recent success was a primary motivator for everyone involved to be here now, and not because everyone wanted that recent past success to be a pinnacle never again reached.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 30, 2009 15:13:21 GMT -5
I wonder what lessons JT3 may be drawing from the current team. We all THINK he is realizing he needs some bigger, tougher guys up front.
But maybe he is also looking at the psychological make-up of his team.
Mickey D's have blown anyone's doors off. Macklin, Freeman, Wright.
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Hibbert, Green, Ewing, Wallace.
Seems there are other factors at play than being HS all americans.
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That is the bad side of it. The good side is that I ran most of the time that I had this injury. It feels like a heel bruise. Lots of stretching and icing is important. Using a heel cup is also beneficial.
