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Post by Hoya TMF on Jan 27, 2009 12:01:07 GMT -5
Pfft. All I was saying was in response to other posts about Dajuan being different than Green, Hibbert, Crawford, etc. who seemed to actually have a genuinely good time on campus. Hey, maybe it's a coincidence that I just see the guy frowning, but after 3 years of seeing Summers around campus, in the cafeteria, classroom, library (well not alllllll the players...) etc., you get the feeling that guy really doesn't care much for being around the school, or at least, doesn't show it like many of his teammates do on campus. Perhaps I'm looking look too much into it, but if there was anyone we could call a mercenary on this team, it's Dajuan. From every indication, he simply wouldn't be here if he didn't have to be. And why can't I say he's been useless on the court recently? Isn't that what everyone else has been crying about for 2 two years now, except a handful of games where he stepped it up? And dunkshot, what kind of laugh does your nephew have? is it = a playful giggle, or a cackle? Is it obnoxious? Let's see some videotape before we start offering scholarships. Wow, I'm sorry for feeding this bull in the other thread because I didn't realize it was stemming from this perspective (and I really hope vamos doesn't leave!!). I have vocalized my annoyance on previous occasions with the fact that so many of our players, Dajuan now and Roy/Jeff in past years, put on their "game face" so often, both on the court and at times off. I know they're serious, trying to be serious, or at least trying to project an aura of seriousness, but the "tough guy" personae still bug me for no good reason. I want these players to realize that they're living a dream, doing something special nearly every college-age guy wishes he could do and yet they often seem utterly indifferent to it, or worse, like the game is getting in the way of whatever else it is they'd rather be doing. The problem I see though, is that the cool emotionless façade reinforces the idea that the player out there on the court doesn't care, is just totally detached from the game, or is playing without any heart. This is indubitably an unfair conclusion to draw, but how else can you explain why so many people are quick to call the team's top scorer and second-leading rebounder "useless"?? Jeff Green frequently disappeared in big games too. Was it just the image that he cultivated that saved him from being thrown under the bus each week? It certainly didn't hurt. Bah, milkshakes, sammiches and bananas, stat!! This is ridiculous. Summers' play this year has been somewhat selfish, but for the most part its been inspired and spectacular. I've watched every game this season and Summers has made a more concerted effort to hit the glass (more than seasons past), and been our go to scorer in many tight situations (Memphis, Duke). He seems to have worked on his game, attacking the basket much more rather than settling for his somewhat streaky jumpshot. And he's even shown mid-range game. His scowl has been more with a purpose this year because he's been playign well when we've needed him to. As for his attitude and demeanor, a lot of these comments are completely out of line. Just because the kid is a basketball student/athlete at Georgetown doesn't mean that we should speculate on his happiness at school. And even if we speculate, its certainly over the line to criticize him because he doesn't seem to be as happy at school as some other students or student/athletes in year's past. Who cares? there's been no whiff of Summers as having any academic or discipline problem at school. Who cares if he doesn't ahng out at Tombs so you all can share a beer? Who knows what is going with him or whether that's not jsut his personality. And either way, we should not publiciy criticize any student because we don't really care for their demeanor or personality. We are fans. And our team is made up of teenagers and young adults. Some of you guys really need to give it a rest. I hope the team works out its issues, but it is not our place to comment to personally criticize Georgetown student athletes when they haven't done anything wrong.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 27, 2009 12:04:18 GMT -5
And to think that during the off season people were saying (and I believe the players were saying such in interviews) that this team had great chemistry and was very tight (almost alluding that last year's team did not really have the right stuff). What has happened between then and now??? A couple of tough and inexcusable losses is all that it takes. Where's chicken little?
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Post by RDF on Jan 27, 2009 12:07:25 GMT -5
I didn't see JimmyHoya's post---but it's UNCALLED for and STUPID. The criticism of the team is strictly basketball and nowhere did Balla or anyone else say anything about the guys off the court. These kids are great kids and what you want in STUDENT-athletes--and Dajuan is now being judged as if he's got to be "Happy Hoya" and run around with "Dajuan is Happy" buttons to make sure everyone knows it.
This is a BASKETBALL BOARD--not facebook, so keep the personal crap there. I mean if we're going to get personal, my question is why don't Monroe and Clark form a super human version and have Jason get on Greg's shoulders and take the name of Monroe Clark from the legendary C. Thomas Howell/Peter Horton Flick "SIDEOUT" and dominate the paint? That is type of personal question I'm going to ask.
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Post by Boz on Jan 27, 2009 12:14:37 GMT -5
This is a BASKETBALL BOARD--not facebook, so keep the personal crap there. I mean if we're going to get personal, my question is why don't Monroe and Clark form a super human version and have Jason get on Greg's shoulders and take the name of Monroe Clark from the legendary C. Thomas Howell/Peter Horton Flick "SIDEOUT" and dominate the paint? That is type of personal question I'm going to ask. This team never forms Voltron and it's starting to Edited me off. The individual lions ALWAYS get their butts kicked, so just form Voltron already and stop wasting everyone's time, dammit! ;D
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Post by hoyatables on Jan 27, 2009 12:23:28 GMT -5
I didn't see JimmyHoya's post---but it's UNCALLED for and STUPID. The criticism of the team is strictly basketball and nowhere did Balla or anyone else say anything about the guys off the court. These kids are great kids and what you want in STUDENT-athletes--and Dajuan is now being judged as if he's got to be "Happy Hoya" and run around with "Dajuan is Happy" buttons to make sure everyone knows it. This is a BASKETBALL BOARD--not facebook, so keep the personal crap there. I mean if we're going to get personal, my question is why don't Monroe and Clark form a super human version and have Jason get on Greg's shoulders and take the name of Monroe Clark from the legendary C. Thomas Howell/Peter Horton Flick "SIDEOUT" and dominate the paint? That is type of personal question I'm going to ask. And there it is. Gimmick for rest of 2009 season: "Watchmen"-Style Smiley Face Buttons:
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 27, 2009 12:55:05 GMT -5
I didn't see JimmyHoya's post---but it's UNCALLED for and STUPID. The criticism of the team is strictly basketball and nowhere did Balla or anyone else say anything about the guys off the court. These kids are great kids and what you want in STUDENT-athletes--and Dajuan is now being judged as if he's got to be "Happy Hoya" and run around with "Dajuan is Happy" buttons to make sure everyone knows it. This is a BASKETBALL BOARD--not facebook, so keep the personal crap there. I mean if we're going to get personal, my question is why don't Monroe and Clark form a super human version and have Jason get on Greg's shoulders and take the name of Monroe Clark from the legendary C. Thomas Howell/Peter Horton Flick "SIDEOUT" and dominate the paint? That is type of personal question I'm going to ask. And there it is. Gimmick for rest of 2009 season: "Watchmen"-Style Smiley Face Buttons: So someone's targeting Hoyas? Is this going to end with a Giant Squid teleporting into MSG? Is Greg Monroe's skin actually blue?
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Post by Filo on Jan 27, 2009 13:01:38 GMT -5
Laughing and apparent happiness are now important predictors for inidvidual and team success. Dejuan Blair should just skip the rest of the season and head right into the NBA All-Star game on his way to the Hall of Fame. Let's get Doris Burke in here to talk about Johnny Flynn's smile...
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Post by Hoya TMF on Jan 27, 2009 13:07:29 GMT -5
actually, we'd have to make sure that Blair and Flynn were laughing off the court too, in the classroom, the library and the local school hangouts, before we'd really be able to drawn any hard and fast conclusions.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 27, 2009 13:17:02 GMT -5
I'm not criticizing Summers's play or him as a person. I just don't like the comparison to Jeff because I think Jeff may have been more completely devoted to Georgetown as evidence by his continued presence on campus and taking summer classes last year. I don't think Dajuan, in the same position, would do the same things. I don't know why, and it's not a terrible knock to him. It's just why I don't like the comparison.
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Post by tgo on Jan 27, 2009 13:17:15 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm looking look too much into it you should have stuck with that thought and not posted something so ridiculous. From every indication, he simply wouldn't be here if he didn't have to be. but you, on the other hand, would stay at GU for 4 or more years even if you were offered a million dollar salary after your freshman year? huh. do you know this kid (yes dajuan despite being on national tv regularly is still a kid)? have you talked with him or his friends? making assumptions based on seeing someone walk across campus on occasion, someone you know nothing about as a person and then posting them for the world to see is rude and mean spirited to a kid who will hopefully be a multi millionaire in a year or two but right now is a kid going to college and should not have to have people question him in such a way. i think summers has taken a huge step forward on the court this year, feel free to disagree and debate his performance on the court or certainly talk about how he didnt show up for a pep rally or was scowling while the rest of the team was raising the BET championship trophy (none of which happenend of course) but dont bring this garbage about him not smiling enough for your liking when he walks past you in the library, dont bring that garbage on here.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 27, 2009 13:36:52 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm looking look too much into it you should have stuck with that thought and not posted something so ridiculous. From every indication, he simply wouldn't be here if he didn't have to be. but you, on the other hand, would stay at GU for 4 or more years even if you were offered a million dollar salary after your freshman year? huh. do you know this kid (yes dajuan despite being on national tv regularly is still a kid)? have you talked with him or his friends? making assumptions based on seeing someone walk across campus on occasion, someone you know nothing about as a person and then posting them for the world to see is rude and mean spirited to a kid who will hopefully be a multi millionaire in a year or two but right now is a kid going to college and should not have to have people question him in such a way. i think summers has taken a huge step forward on the court this year, feel free to disagree and debate his performance on the court or certainly talk about how he didnt show up for a pep rally or was scowling while the rest of the team was raising the BET championship trophy (none of which happenend of course) but dont bring this garbage about him not smiling enough for your liking when he walks past you in the library, dont bring that garbage on here. I actually have spoken to people who have been in his presence when he talks about going to the NBA. My impression is that he thought Jeff was dumb for even thinking about staying. Based on that, I believe that there is a difference b/t their attachments to the school.
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on Jan 27, 2009 13:40:51 GMT -5
Dajuan needs to be a complete player. Right now he isn't. His three-pointer with us down one and Greg open in the post against a walk-on was comletely selfish, and said alot about him. Greg had gotten us back into the game after being ignored for the previous 25-30 minutes. Why he didn't touch the ball on our two most important possessions, after coach had clearly mandated for the ball to go to him, well, we all know the answer. And that's why balla wrote his original post Lots of posts here calling our players selfish. While I have no evidence to back me up, I think this selfishness could better be described by one word. Stupidity.... These guys just don't understand how to play team basketball. They are not basketball savy, don't have the high IQ that has allowed players like Jeff to excel. I highly doubt that Summers didn't pass to Monroe because he wanted the spotlight. I think he wanted to come up big for the team, make a big play etc but just doesnt understand that the big play that was needed was not his shot. This is not a selfish act, just demonstrates a general lack of understanding for the game. In some systems players can get away with this but our system values a high level of B-ball IQ. Id like to think that as these players learn and develop (wright etc), there will come a point when they simply get it. A point where they have developed their b-ball IQ's and have gained an understanding of team basketball. I guess we will see. Lets not give up just yet.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 27, 2009 13:53:07 GMT -5
you should have stuck with that thought and not posted something so ridiculous. but you, on the other hand, would stay at GU for 4 or more years even if you were offered a million dollar salary after your freshman year? huh. do you know this kid (yes dajuan despite being on national tv regularly is still a kid)? have you talked with him or his friends? making assumptions based on seeing someone walk across campus on occasion, someone you know nothing about as a person and then posting them for the world to see is rude and mean spirited to a kid who will hopefully be a multi millionaire in a year or two but right now is a kid going to college and should not have to have people question him in such a way. i think summers has taken a huge step forward on the court this year, feel free to disagree and debate his performance on the court or certainly talk about how he didnt show up for a pep rally or was scowling while the rest of the team was raising the BET championship trophy (none of which happenend of course) but dont bring this garbage about him not smiling enough for your liking when he walks past you in the library, dont bring that garbage on here. I actually have spoken to people who have been in his presence when he talks about going to the NBA. My impression is that he thought Jeff was dumb for even thinking about staying. Based on that, I believe that there is a difference b/t their attachments to the school. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who heard Dajuan talk about how he hates Georgetown at the 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 27, 2009 14:02:36 GMT -5
I actually have spoken to people who have been in his presence when he talks about going to the NBA. My impression is that he thought Jeff was dumb for even thinking about staying. Based on that, I believe that there is a difference b/t their attachments to the school. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who heard Dajuan talk about how he hates Georgetown at the 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious. Right. Because that's the same as speaking to a person who has spoken to Dajuan (and then some, if you get my drift).
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Post by Hoya TMF on Jan 27, 2009 14:10:45 GMT -5
you should have stuck with that thought and not posted something so ridiculous. but you, on the other hand, would stay at GU for 4 or more years even if you were offered a million dollar salary after your freshman year? huh. do you know this kid (yes dajuan despite being on national tv regularly is still a kid)? have you talked with him or his friends? making assumptions based on seeing someone walk across campus on occasion, someone you know nothing about as a person and then posting them for the world to see is rude and mean spirited to a kid who will hopefully be a multi millionaire in a year or two but right now is a kid going to college and should not have to have people question him in such a way. i think summers has taken a huge step forward on the court this year, feel free to disagree and debate his performance on the court or certainly talk about how he didnt show up for a pep rally or was scowling while the rest of the team was raising the BET championship trophy (none of which happenend of course) but dont bring this garbage about him not smiling enough for your liking when he walks past you in the library, dont bring that garbage on here. I actually have spoken to people who have been in his presence when he talks about going to the NBA. My impression is that he thought Jeff was dumb for even thinking about staying. Based on that, I believe that there is a difference b/t their attachments to the school. Wait ... you've spoken to people ... who were near dajuan ... while dajuan was talking ... about going to the NBA? Oh my god! That's uncanny! So you must know everything about his feelings about Georgetown and going pro. This is ridiculous. 1. You're not DaJuan Summers. 2. You didn't hear these words yourself. 3. Its unclear whether DaJuan was actually talking to your sources. 4. You don't know anything about DaJuan's individual family/financial situation. 5. You don't know anything about what Jeff may have told DaJuan about the decision that would have led DaJuan to express his alleged opinion. 6. You don't know when these alleged comments were made or in what context they were made. Yet somehow you know something about DaJaun's intentions regarding school and his future basketball career? Even if you did know something, who cares? Is it really your place to broadcast the private thoughts of a 20 year old kid on an internet talk board because he happens to play basketball at your alma mater? Let's give all this talk about DaJuan's happiness at school a rest. He's been a great contributer for us this year. He, like some others on the team have not played well the last few games. Since I'm not the basketball coach and am not buddies with any of the guys on the team, I'll put my trust in the coaching staff and the players themselves to work those things out. Meanwhile, I'm glad that these guys are by all accounts workign hard and representing Georgetown well in the classroom, on the court and off the court as well.
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 27, 2009 14:10:47 GMT -5
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who heard Dajuan talk about how he hates Georgetown at the 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious. Right. Because that's the same as speaking to a person who has spoken to Dajuan (and then some, if you get my drift). Nothing beats second hand information for its accuracy! Especially when its posted on a message board!
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Post by strummer8526 on Jan 27, 2009 14:14:20 GMT -5
You people are ridiculous. At no point do I claim to KNOW anything about the guy. (And he's a 20 year old man. Let's get off the "kid" stuff.) I just gave my opinion as to why a comparison b/t him and Jeff seems inaccurate. That's all. I love Dajuan. I've been saying since his first game on the team that he's one of my favorites, and I think that with this team, he's the guy we're going to rely on if we're going to be any good. Don't try to act like I'm bashing him for no reason. I'm just pointing out a unique quality about Jeff that made the comparison seem flawed.
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Post by staggerlee on Jan 27, 2009 14:16:30 GMT -5
Hoya TMF and TBird -
I get your drift !
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Post by seaweed on Jan 27, 2009 14:21:19 GMT -5
This board is in dire need of a milkshake. And sandwiches. Sandwiches are important, too!!!!! After reading this thread, I will settle for what usually comes in "sandwich bags."
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Post by hoyatables on Jan 27, 2009 14:23:27 GMT -5
And there it is. Gimmick for rest of 2009 season: "Watchmen"-Style Smiley Face Buttons: So someone's targeting Hoyas? Is this going to end with a Giant Squid teleporting into MSG? Is Greg Monroe's skin actually blue? I guess given the current conversation Dajuan Summers is the Rorschach of the bunch. How awesome would it be if he played with a black and white mask . . . .
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