the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 23, 2009 11:12:01 GMT -5
We got beat by a better team.
Thats the bottom line.
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 23, 2009 11:15:00 GMT -5
We got beat by a better team. Thats the bottom line. They were the better team last night, that's for sure, but we'll see over the course of the season who is the better team in the end. The Hoyas must get tougher. A lot tougher.
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hifigator
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Post by hifigator on Jan 23, 2009 11:19:58 GMT -5
Only comment: that game just sucked. Anytime the Hoyas would seemingly show some life, they'd give up an easy basket inside. It's hard to ever catch up like that. Just an irritating game to watch ...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 23, 2009 11:31:54 GMT -5
We got beat by a better team. Thats the bottom line. They were the better team last night, that's for sure, but we'll see over the course of the season who is the better team in the end. The Hoyas must get tougher. A lot tougher. The million dollar question. How do you "get tougher" at this point in a season - and do we have the players and the staff to accomplish it?
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Jan 23, 2009 11:44:49 GMT -5
As bad as that game was, nothing was worse than the Hoya Saxa explanation given by that student.
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CAHoya07
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 23, 2009 11:45:55 GMT -5
They were the better team last night, that's for sure, but we'll see over the course of the season who is the better team in the end. The Hoyas must get tougher. A lot tougher. The million dollar question. How do you "get tougher" at this point in a season - and do we have the players and the staff to accomplish it? If I could answer that question, yes, I would be a millionaire. I don't know HOW, but I think that we CAN. JT III teams have generally gotten better as the season has gone on. We tend to peak at the right time. So we will see.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2009 11:49:22 GMT -5
They were the better team last night, that's for sure, but we'll see over the course of the season who is the better team in the end. The Hoyas must get tougher. A lot tougher. The million dollar question. How do you "get tougher" at this point in a season - and do we have the players and the staff to accomplish it? We crapped the bed. It's over. We're not as bad as we were last night. We're also not as good as we were when we beat UConn. We're somewhere in between. And we've got 12 more games to find out exactly where.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 23, 2009 11:58:37 GMT -5
I thought Bad DaJuan was gone for good this season. Not so!
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Post by chep3 on Jan 23, 2009 12:38:00 GMT -5
Jason's allowed a bad game from time to time, but let's hold off on anointing him yet. He's still a freshman.
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Post by RDF on Jan 23, 2009 12:47:24 GMT -5
Here's how you get tougher:
1. guys who don't want to mix it up--can sit.
2. guys who aren't performing--sit.
3. guys who whine/cry after EVERY call against them--need to cut it out or sit.
4. You play with intensity/compete and don't stand and watch as a game is going on.
5. When a ball is on the floor-you dive for it. I saw Nikita do this-Vaughn bent at waist as Butler dove on ground. What does that say?
6. When you get bumped/shoved and game gets physical-you up your level of play and adjust to the game--you don't wait for refs to bail you out or hope they call it "tight". It's the Big East--play through it.
7. You don't say "That game was a blip"--you say that game was "inexcusable from everyone associated with the program". Losses are acceptible if you are outplayed. Being outworked is NOT. Being poorly prepared and mentally absent is NOT.
8. When shots aren't falling--your defensive intensity should raise-not sink. What kind of pansy attitude is it when guys/team attitude is "we aren't scoring-so let's not play hard on other end". EXPLETIVE THAT! GET TOUGHER!!!
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Post by alleninxis on Jan 23, 2009 12:50:50 GMT -5
RDF, don't you believe III saying that is more of his standard of not being critical of his players in the media?
I'd bet there were some different words being thrown around in the locker room.
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Post by dailey247 on Jan 23, 2009 12:58:02 GMT -5
OMFG this team is so bad, I'm just disgusted! None of these people deserve to call themselves Georgetown basketball players! THEY HAVE NO PASSION! Fire JTIII, disband the team, and beg Vern and Jeremiah to come back! GRRRRRRRRRRRRR! Just kidding.
We played an ELITE defense last night. If you don't think that WVU is a good team because they're not ranked as such by a bunch of beat writers or SID's who have probably seen them play 1 game this year (a loss to Davidson, in which they held Steph Curry in check for most of the game), then you don't deserve to call YOURSELF a college basketball fan. Getting shut down, even by one of the best defenses in the country, is, of course, still troubling. We're one of the best offensive teams in the country, and should be able to match up with a team like that. But this is basketball, and sometimes their strength beats yours.
Sapp's play is also a real concern. I think this is just a slump, and he'll snap out of it and be vintage model Onions for the stretch run, but we'll just have to wait and see. He's clearly not getting minutes while he struggles, so it seems like the staff has a handle on this. Don't fool yourself, though - at his best he's still our 5th option.
I'm not sure I understand coach's fascination with Wattad. He's definitely earned 5 minutes a game, but he's out there for long stretches in crunch time recently, when I think more Vaughn or Sims might be helpful. I'm willing to trust the professionals for the time being, but I still get a little uneasy when I see a Clark-Wattad backcourt out there.
My overall opinion of this team has not changed at all since the beginning of the season: We are a top 10 team, with an extremely talented first unit, fronted by the best player in the country. Our bench is thin, but passable. We beat teams by running a ruthlessly efficient offense, and forcing teams to take difficult shots, which they miss. This plan will not work every single night, because we play in the best conference ever, and thus play a brutal schedule, and also because THIS IS COLLEGE BASKETBALL! These are teenagers. They have off nights. They will not play this poorly very often. They might play this poorly in a second round game, and we'll all be frustrated by the wasted potential. Or, they might string together 4 solid games in March, and 2 inspired games in April and I will literally lose my mind with happiness. Either way, I am really enjoying this ride. Hoya Saxa.
(...or is it "We are Hoya Saxa?")
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Post by RDF on Jan 23, 2009 13:02:17 GMT -5
RDF, don't you believe III saying that is more of his standard of not being critical of his players in the media? I'd bet there were some different words being thrown around in the locker room. Each team is different and you can criticize them publicly if you don't single anyone out--which I don't think is necessary. What's wrong with saying "These guys need to play on BOTH ends of court and better when shots aren't falling"? Maybe III needs to take off the gloves and let the TEAM know that there is more to basketball then making shots. Some guys on this team think they are stars and haven't done a damn thing to back it up. Others ignore the best player on team--who should touch it--given that he'll make a play to help the team--either scoring/passing, and others need to learn that defense wins games--not FGA's. III was clapping/encouraging this group last night and he needed to give them a swift kick in the pants instead. It was a game I thought entire program shared blame from not being prepared to play, not intense enough, and being stubborn on playing rotation. Some guys need more minutes-others need less and their play/attitude is dictating that. I would NEVER say I know more then a coach--but I will say that coaches can sometimes be too close/attached to guys to see some obvious things that are hurting the team. Any/every coach will admit this too--they are human--and some guys on this team aren't improving or doing what needs to be done to help the team win.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 23, 2009 13:07:42 GMT -5
Last night I thought Wattad showed more fire than any other Hoyas.
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RDF
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Post by RDF on Jan 23, 2009 13:08:12 GMT -5
OMFG this team is so bad, I'm just disgusted! None of these people deserve to call themselves Georgetown basketball players! THEY HAVE NO PASSION! Fire JTIII, disband the team, and beg Vern and Jeremiah to come back! GRRRRRRRRRRRRR! Just kidding. We played an ELITE defense last night. If you don't think that WVU is a good team because they're not ranked as such by a bunch of beat writers or SID's who have probably seen them play 1 game this year (a loss to Davidson, in which they held Steph Curry in check for most of the game), then you don't deserve to call YOURSELF a college basketball fan. Getting shut down, even by one of the best defenses in the country, is, of course, still troubling. We're one of the best offensive teams in the country, and should be able to match up with a team like that. But this is basketball, and sometimes their strength beats yours. Sapp's play is also a real concern. I think this is just a slump, and he'll snap out of it and be vintage model Onions for the stretch run, but we'll just have to wait and see. He's clearly not getting minutes while he struggles, so it seems like the staff has a handle on this. Don't fool yourself, though - at his best he's still our 5th option. I'm not sure I understand coach's fascination with Wattad. He's definitely earned 5 minutes a game, but he's out there for long stretches in crunch time recently, when I think more Vaughn or Sims might be helpful. I'm willing to trust the professionals for the time being, but I still get a little uneasy when I see a Clark-Wattad backcourt out there. My overall opinion of this team has not changed at all since the beginning of the season: We are a top 10 team, with an extremely talented first unit, fronted by the best player in the country. Our bench is thin, but passable. We beat teams by running a ruthlessly efficient offense, and forcing teams to take difficult shots, which they miss. This plan will not work every single night, because we play in the best conference ever, and thus play a brutal schedule, and also because THIS IS COLLEGE BASKETBALL! These are teenagers. They have off nights. They will not play this poorly very often. They might play this poorly in a second round game, and we'll all be frustrated by the wasted potential. Or, they might string together 4 solid games in March, and 2 inspired games in April and I will literally lose my mind with happiness. Either way, I am really enjoying this ride. Hoya Saxa. (...or is it "We are Hoya Saxa?") Can't others notice that Wattad/Clark actually RUN THE OFFENSE when they are in? I was Editeded off when Wattad exited and Wright came back after Wattad/Clark got team back from double digits to within 2--then Wright, Clark, and Freeman took "hero" shots instead of running the offense. I love Chris Wright's talent but he's got to learn his main role is to run the team-which some games mean for him to score, and others means for him to make sure everyone else is involved-running the offense. Past 2 games he's tried to carry the team when they needed more structure/discipline. Summers has to realize that his impact can reach beyond scoring. If he's not scoring--what does he bring to this team? He is talented enough to be a double/double guy but he's got to want it. Wattad runs the offense and gives effort--which I'll take. It's not like he's killing the team. I watched the game and with him in--the team was on + side of things. With him out--it went back to double digits defecit quick. Now every game is different--but I like that Omar is ready to contribute/compete whether he gets 2 minutes or 20.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Jan 23, 2009 13:19:57 GMT -5
Love the "hero" shot comment. On the possession you are probably talking about with Wright, you could see he was unhappy not to get the pass as he spotted up for 3. I said to my wife (who didn't remotely care) that they shouldn't pass it to Wright this possession, because he is guaranteed to jack it up once he touches it. Of course, that is what he did...no look to pass, no running the offense, no look to penetrate. He chucked a brick and probably watched WVU scoop up the loose rebound.
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Post by dailey247 on Jan 23, 2009 13:21:58 GMT -5
I'm not trying to say anything negative about Omar. Apart from a few jump shots that were just way off, he hasn't done a thing to hurt this team. I just don't think he has the chops to be a real impact player. Chris Wright has his faults, but he DOES things on the court. Things that make me say "Wow. He's good at basketball." Omar just sort of exists.
Clark needs to take his foot off the accelerator just a little bit - the ball seems to fly out of his hands 2-3 times a game - but he's also a guy who makes me sit up and take notice when he's on the court. The jump stop layup he made in the first half yesterday was stupid good.
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Post by MassHoya on Jan 23, 2009 13:46:38 GMT -5
No defense, mental errors galore (turnovers and poor shot selection being the most egregious), none zero nada rebounding, lackadaisical effort. The only explanation is a hangover from the tough stretch they just had. Don't forget this is still a young team. Jesse and Dajuan have not stepped up in the leadership roles as they should. Let's hope JT III lights a fire under them. Still a long, long ways to go and a lot of basketball to play.
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Post by guru on Jan 23, 2009 14:18:48 GMT -5
Summers needs to do what Jeff Green did midway through the Final Four season - make a commitment to rebounding. We can win even when he doesn't score 20 points, but we can't win big games unless we find a consistent rebounding force. Summers is the most obvious candidate to step up and POUND THE BOARDS. Our shooting has been inconsistent and our defense is down a notch from the past few seasons, but if we did any sort of rebounding that wouldn't hurt us as badly as it has.
The Hoyas have a chance to be very good this season, but unless they can address the rebounding problem this will be a wasted season, and it will be a darn shame.
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Post by williambraskyiii on Jan 23, 2009 14:23:37 GMT -5
Can't others notice that Wattad/Clark actually RUN THE OFFENSE when they are in? I was Editeded off when Wattad exited and Wright came back after Wattad/Clark got team back from double digits to within 2--then Wright, Clark, and Freeman took "hero" shots instead of running the offense. I love Chris Wright's talent but he's got to learn his main role is to run the team-which some games mean for him to score, and others means for him to make sure everyone else is involved-running the offense. Past 2 games he's tried to carry the team when they needed more structure/discipline. Summers has to realize that his impact can reach beyond scoring. If he's not scoring--what does he bring to this team? He is talented enough to be a double/double guy but he's got to want it. Wattad runs the offense and gives effort--which I'll take. It's not like he's killing the team. I watched the game and with him in--the team was on + side of things. With him out--it went back to double digits defecit quick. Now every game is different--but I like that Omar is ready to contribute/compete whether he gets 2 minutes or 20. bingo RDF...I didn't watch all of the game last night, and I admit to being skeptical about Omar to this day, but this is exactly right. There is a reason OW is getting so much PT and that is b/c when he comes in, he plays within the offense -- as evidenced by his two cuts. Wright suffers from a severe case of ScottyReynolds-itis on occasion and I hope it is just a phase b/c we need his dynamic play-making ability to succeed down the stretch, but it has to be contained and within the offense. I am not huge on Omar, but the kid plays hard so I like him getting minutes off the bench. DaJuan has been amazing offensively this season but he tends to lose focus when we are down a lot and try to get the game back in one shot. He also has not exhibited any desire to box his man out or rebound effectively, unless the ball comes right to him. This is a real problem with his game and one that he desperately needs to work on (in his own interest and for the sake of the team). The problem with being an inconsistent team, no matter your talent, is that you have about ZERO chance of stringing six good games together and winning the NC. either we heal now, as a team, or we die, as individuals.
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