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Post by cusefaninvt on Jan 13, 2009 9:44:41 GMT -5
Ba-zing, VT, you know DC is not a state, though in fairness I think we beat he snot out of UMD this year, no? In Florida. You all didn't play a true road game until you went to UConn at the end of December. We all know that both of our schedules in the BE will be enough to make our strengths of schedule sufficient in any decision, but you all probably should take care of Duke just to be sure. And if you can't you better be prepared to get lambasted for it. Especially considering Monroe will be going against this guy. www.catsandbeer.com/uploads/2008/04/brian_zoubek.jpg
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Post by cusefaninvt on Jan 13, 2009 9:56:09 GMT -5
The NYS thing again? Okay boys, maybe you should take a look at this year's schedule as well. Then again, even the talking heads on ESPN aren't giving the Cuse credit. Playing Kansas in Kansas City they called that a "neutral site" instead of a true road win. Please. And as far as traveling out of state, exactly who can Gtown play in-state? Well certainly not the powers of Lemoyne and Colgate, that's for sure. have you guys scheduled Brooklyn College yet? John Jay? We could play Maryland locally or even the WG, but choose instead to play quality tournaments on the road (and smoked MD). And a team in Durham, NC, you may have heard of. And yes, we beat Memphis too. So, are you now saying that SU didn't travel and play in a quality tournament? I believe you may be forgetting that we actually won that tournament playing against two likely NCAA tourney teams, one playing in its backyard (Kansas). Yes, you beat Memphis. We also did, except we traveled there and beat them. And yes, just like for you and Tenn, all three of the major teams we played out of conference so far were ranked at the time. Only we actually beat all three. Try not to go 1-2.
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Post by orangezoo on Jan 13, 2009 9:56:22 GMT -5
Hoya fans oh my goodness -
I thought I would hold my tongue but I have to chime in here. First of all in regards to the zone vs man discussion. SU plays an aggressive zone and will play an agressive man to complement it. If your boys get hot from deep we will switch to man.
Thank you to those posters who carry a knowledgeable view on this game from a true bball perspective. Ive enjoyed a few of the more level headed posts.
As for the arrogance of SU fans not sure how you have a leg to stand on. I live in the D.C. area and its one of the most pompous, omnipotent minded regions in the country. Not exactly the type of adjectives you would associate with a rust belt city thats been hurting financially for years. Yeh every team has their rabid arrogant fans but lets be real here.
To the poster commenting on knowing someone who interviewed Andy Rautins? Rautins is a very well spoken intelligent young man. If you have a story to make up at least try to make it realistic.
Ok now back to the game. I think if your boy Sims shows up and can make an impact you guys might win this one. Right now I don't see you matching up well with us at all. We have the athleticism and strength at the 1, 2, and 3 to match you and we are bigger down low. I think you will be able to score just because I like Summers and Freeman's games a lot as well as how nice of a player Monroe has been. The biggest issue I see is how you will be on defense. As being one of the lesser physical teams in the big east and SU being one of the more physical teams along the lines of Pitt, I just think SU wins this one tomorrow. I do hope you all beat Duke and think that is a better matchup as Duke is not a very physical group either. So best of luck guys and as fans I think it best to be a bit more level headed. Its a bball game, no need to make it personal.
Cheers!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 13, 2009 10:06:16 GMT -5
In terms of match-ups, Syracuse has tough for us the last few years, and I think you are as well this year. Your strength down low is a huge issue. However, we have been rebounding better in recent games.
That said, compared to prior years, we match up better at the point, because Wright can hang with Flynn, I think. I think Flynn is the best PG in the BE this year, but Wright is very good as well.
On the other hand, I also think Onuaku may also struggle defensively with Greg. Because he's so comfortable on the perimeter and so good with interior passing, I can see it being a nightmare for Arinze.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 13, 2009 10:07:39 GMT -5
Orangezoo - a fair post. Not sure I agree with GU being that much less physical. Would be nice to see Sims make another solid contribution. I think for us holding Flynn in check will be the biggest challenge.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Jan 13, 2009 10:12:42 GMT -5
should be a battle no matter what. Will come down to the wire if both teams are firing on all cylinders
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Post by orangezoo on Jan 13, 2009 10:14:43 GMT -5
SF Hoya good points on the matchups sans a couple of things. Wright is a decent PG but I don't think he will be able to hang with Flynn by himself. Its one parts quickness and 3 parts strength. Flynn is very strong to the hole even at 5'11. I don't think this matchup will go so well for the hoyas. I just don't think there is anyone who can simulate Flynn's abilities to prepare wright enough. That said, every team this year has needed to bring help guarding Flynn so its kind of expected.
As for Monroe, I do expect the fact he plays away from the hoop to be a factor to some extent. This is my concern in regards to the zone. If we go man or zone though, the emergence of Jackson is the difference between this year and last. Jackson does a great job helping on the weak side downlow and making it difficult to run things through the high post. His size and ability to attract attention on the boards has opened things up even more for Harris on the wing. I expect to see both mtm and zone played against you guys. Flynn creates major issues with his ball pressure in the mtm which will be another challenge for wright. SU will make you work very hard in your offensive sets. So far this year I think your group has overachieved a bit which Im happy for you. I just think until you get solid production at the 4 spot on a consistant basis its going to be tough going. Kind of like the pains SU faced last year at times with Only Arinze downlow really with Donte preferring the perimeter. Should be a good game.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 13, 2009 10:17:34 GMT -5
Fair enough on Flynn.
Jackson has really improved -- but just like Onuaku, he's going to have to guard a player who can take him outside and off the dribble in Summers. That's where our advantage is when we are on offense.
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Post by cusefaninvt on Jan 13, 2009 10:20:12 GMT -5
In terms of match-ups, Syracuse has tough for us the last few years, and I think you are as well this year. Your strength down low is a huge issue. However, we have been rebounding better in recent games. That said, compared to prior years, we match up better at the point, because Wright can hang with Flynn, I think. I think Flynn is the best PG in the BE this year, but Wright is very good as well. On the other hand, I also think Onuaku may also struggle defensively with Greg. Because he's so comfortable on the perimeter and so good with interior passing, I can see it being a nightmare for Arinze. As for Arinze matching up with Monroe, I agree that this will be a tough matchup, outside the lane. And that is going to be true for the entire SU squad. Monroe is a big guy who can shoot and that is something our forwards are going to spend a lot of energy keeping their eye on. If JB plays Rautins at the 3 along with Harris at the 4, the SU zone is very very susceptible to giving up offensive boards. So it will all come down to whether or not JB goes with his 4 guard offense or if he brings in Jackson to help in the paint.
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Post by orangezoo on Jan 13, 2009 10:22:37 GMT -5
Agreed. I think you actually may see SU dabble with the smaller lineup at times to try and counter as well. Its clear that Summers on the wing will be a major challenge for us. I think you may see SU go Arinze/Rick with Joseph/Harris/Rautins or Devo/Flynn. Also may see a bit of Kristof Onganeat because of his mobility on defense. As for Rick, I think he may be used at the 5 at times to counter Monroe because Ricky is quite a bit quicker and more mobile.
I think this game will likely hinge on whose defense is the most successful. Our best defenders are on the wings and then Ricky in the post. Arinze is not the defender Ricky is. I do see AO def struggling at times with Greg.
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Post by cusefaninvt on Jan 13, 2009 10:30:34 GMT -5
should be a battle no matter what. Will come down to the wire if both teams are firing on all cylinders I think one of the keys for SU early on is whether or not Andy Rautins is hitting from three. That will tell a lot about how the game will turn out. His shots dropping will extend the Gtown defense allowing Andy and the other guards to feed AO. Then it comes down to whether or not Monroe plays tough d and gets himself into foul trouble.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 13, 2009 10:39:17 GMT -5
Ost - I hate to be a 'cuse basher (no I don't), but to join their board you have to be able to answer this question: what is 1 + 1? I kid you not - I have had to do it like three times because they keep banning me. Speaking of which, does anybody have any more untraceable email accounts I can use - I am running out and I really don't want them spamming my real accounts... You won't get deleted over there if you just talk hoops and don't try making yourself out to be a tough guy. But you won't. Hey by the way, you forgot to respond to the post by Coachcuse. Let me remind you about that one. 2007-08: SU 77-702006-07: GT 64-62 SU 72-582005-06: SU 58-57 (BET)GT 63-58 2004-05: SU 78-732003-04: SU 57-542002-03: SU 74-69 (BET) SU 93-84 SU 88-80Yup. I'd hate us, too. We've pretty much deleted the last six years. You seem to be a little off on your Syracuse Georgetown History. It should read: 2007-2008 @su 77-70 GU 64-62 2006-2007 @su 72-58 2005-2006 SU 58-57 (BET) GU 68-53 2004-2005 @su 78-73 We've won all our home games you've won all your home games and took the one neutral meeting under JTIII. That's hardly much to brag about. Under JTIII's the only thing that matters that much at this point. We also very well could've stolen the 04-05 game if bowman's toe hadn't been on the line. and clearly the BET game was very much up for grabs. You can of course counter that you could've won the game at our place last year. Since 3 arrived this series has been pretty even with both teams holding serve at home. I expect this trend to continue for the most part. Except for this year where we'll beat you twice. ;D One hopes. Oh and your wins over kansas and Florida aren't that great. They've both fallen out of the rankings... because they're not great teams. They're respectable wins right now. But no where as good as our win @ Uconn. I also wouldn't be surprised if both teams reputations continue to drop as they enter conference play. It wouldn't be all that surprising if both missed the NCAA's. Kansas is the 4th best team at best in the B12. Florida's probably behind Tennessee, Kentucky, and Arkansas. But they have to prove they're the 4th best team there since they've lost their only 2 tests, to you and florida st. No NC st. doesn't count.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 13, 2009 10:46:21 GMT -5
HSB, your score is off, we beat Syracuse 68-53 in 2005-06 on Senior Day for Bowman, Cook, and Owens. Great game, after which JT III made the statement, "The Duke win was nice, but this one is nicer. It's Georgetown-Syracuse."
orangezoo, more consistent production from the 4? Summers is our 4 and is our leading scorer at almost 15 ppg.
I think defense may be a key for us to win this game. We've given up 70, 73, and 75 points in our last three games, and frankly, that is not Georgetown basketball.
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Post by cusefaninvt on Jan 13, 2009 10:46:54 GMT -5
Since 3 arrived this series has been pretty even with both teams holding serve at home. I expect this trend to continue for the most part. Except for this year where we'll beat you twice. ;D One hopes. Oh and your wins over kansas and Florida aren't that great. They've both fallen out of the rankings... because they're not great teams. They're respectable wins right now. But no where as good as our win @ Uconn. I also wouldn't be surprised if both teams reputations continue to drop as they enter conference play. It wouldn't be all that surprising if both missed the NCAA's. Kansas is the 4th best team at best in the B12. Florida's probably behind Tennessee, Kentucky, and Arkansas. But they have to prove they're the 4th best team there since they've lost their only 2 tests, to you and florida st. No NC st. doesn't count. Difference between our not great wins over those two teams versus your game versus Tenn is that we won our game. And one of those games has to be considered a road game. Losing to Tennessee in Florida is not the same as beating Kansas in Kansas City. I agree that they aren't the cream of the crop in the Big 12 anymore. Can't argue that one. But arguing over who is the best in the SEC isn't much of an argument either. The league is down again and they are all fair to middling. And no way do you guys win both match-ups this year. Unless Flynn gets hurt.
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Post by orangezoo on Jan 13, 2009 10:50:24 GMT -5
"Oh and your wins over kansas and Florida aren't that great. They've both fallen out of the rankings... because they're not great teams. They're respectable wins right now. But no where as good as our win @ Uconn. I also wouldn't be surprised if both teams reputations continue to drop as they enter conference play. It wouldn't be all that surprising if both missed the NCAA's. Kansas is the 4th best team at best in the B12. Florida's probably behind Tennessee, Kentucky, and Arkansas. But they have to prove they're the 4th best team there since they've lost their only 2 tests, to you and florida st. No NC st. doesn't count. "
With all due respect the win on a neutral court over Florida and basically away against Kansas coupled with a win at fedex forum vs your win against them at home in OT is where there is a comparison. Not sure how you qualify the win at Uconn as trumping anything SU has done all year since its in conference. You can't starting digging for reasoning by looking at an opponents schedule IMO. I. E. (Kansas whooped on Tennessee and you lost to them by 12.) I don't think thats worth much more than a bookmark. Just like KU losing to Umass and Mich st but then having beaten an improving Washington team. See my drift? The win over uconn is a road win against one the best teams in the BE. Its a League game. Lets not get confused. How you win games or the relative ranking of those teams at this point in the season is moot. You win games or you lose them and see what happens from that point on in regards to how good of a win it is.
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Post by CAHoya07 on Jan 13, 2009 10:56:13 GMT -5
I think it's silly to argue who has had the better wins up to this point in the season. The result of the game on Wednesday night will render all of that moot.
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Post by orangezoo on Jan 13, 2009 10:56:21 GMT -5
"orangezoo, more consistent production from the 4? Summers is our 4 and is our leading scorer at almost 15 ppg."
CAHOYA -
My mistake on how I worded that. IMO Summers is not a true "4". He is not a real good rebounder. He is much more of a 3 than a 4. My point was in the Big East you need a guy like Sims to step up more often because of the fact you don't have a true 4. Hence the "more production from the 4". From what I have seen you guys will need that production to beat us inside. Summers has some size but not AO or Ricks size downlow. He has the advantage in versatility but then lacks the rebounding prowess of guys like Harris. Now you start getting more production from a guy like Sims and you can counter that more and then have more size to complement the versatility in the front court.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Jan 13, 2009 11:01:29 GMT -5
1st. sorry about that CA i assumed he had the rest right. Stupid mistake for assuming a cuse fan had anythign right.
2nd I was comparing our wins to yours except I said we had one win better than any of yours. I wasn't comparing our tennessee game to your flroida game. I was just pointing out the fact that the cuse fans are crowing about two wins very early in the season against teams that are unranked. Yes they were ranked. But only on preseason hype and not results. And they probably won't crack the poll again so it's missleading to say you beat two ranked teams.
3rd. So 3 of your games compare to one of our games? and because Uconn is an inconference game it doesn't count? It was an impressive win on the road against a top 10 team. one that is still a top ten team. It doesn't count now? That makes sense.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 13, 2009 11:01:43 GMT -5
I think one of the keys for SU early on is whether or not Andy Rautins is hitting from three. That will tell a lot about how the game will turn out. His shots dropping will extend the Gtown defense allowing Andy and the other guards to feed AO. Then it comes down to whether or not Monroe plays tough d and gets himself into foul trouble. Well, that's kind of true for any team. Honestly, shooting is the one thing that pretty much covers all warts or exposes a team. At the end of the day, for any one game, shooting is probably the most deterministic variable. I can flip that for the Hoyas as well -- if we are shooting well from the outside, we're practically unbeatable. Our defense is too good and our offensive spacing too good that if we hit our threes... Well, I can't honestly remember a III team hitting their threes at close to a 40% clip and losing. If it happens, it doesn't happen often. Luckily for our opponents this year, our three point shooting has been very subpar compared to what we expected. It's somewhat inexplicable, as a few players who shot 40% last year -- mainly Sapp and Freeman -- are below it this year.
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Post by cusefaninvt on Jan 13, 2009 11:07:40 GMT -5
I think one of the keys for SU early on is whether or not Andy Rautins is hitting from three. That will tell a lot about how the game will turn out. His shots dropping will extend the Gtown defense allowing Andy and the other guards to feed AO. Then it comes down to whether or not Monroe plays tough d and gets himself into foul trouble. Well, that's kind of true for any team. Honestly, shooting is the one thing that pretty much covers all warts or exposes a team. At the end of the day, for any one game, shooting is probably the most deterministic variable. I can flip that for the Hoyas as well -- if we are shooting well from the outside, we're practically unbeatable. Our defense is too good and our offensive spacing too good that if we hit our threes... Well, I can't honestly remember a III team hitting their threes at close to a 40% clip and losing. If it happens, it doesn't happen often. Luckily for our opponents this year, our three point shooting has been very subpar compared to what we expected. It's somewhat inexplicable, as a few players who shot 40% last year -- mainly Sapp and Freeman -- are below it this year. Fair enough. But unlike Monroe, Arinze doesn't have a game outside of 6 feet from the basket. So, in order for him to be effective at all, we need the Gtown defense to not be collapsed in on him. And Rautins extending your defense way out is the best way to do that. Add in the fact that Rautins is one of our best passers into the post and with more space, AO will eat you all alive. Rautins had a bad game last weekend, but Rutgers didn't really clue in to that fact and pack it in versus AO and he killed them, as did Harris. Rautins was just a decoy out there and they never backed it off.
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