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Post by guru on Jan 31, 2005 13:58:42 GMT -5
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 31, 2005 14:02:16 GMT -5
Now, I really have to question this. We were a 7 seed last Monday, and we didn't move at all? Granted, we were a high 7 seed (based on our categorization under "underrated teams), but that loss to BC should hurt us more than that.
My $.02.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2005 14:05:05 GMT -5
I think we're looking at a tough road ahead to make the tourney. My personal opinion, we can expect the following:
SETON HALL - W at Rutgers - L (we never play well there) W. VIRGINIA - W at Notre Dame - L at St. John's - W VILLANOVA - W (we DID win in their joint... and we'll be coming off a weeks rest) at Connecticut - L PROVIDENCE - W
That would put us at 18-9 heading into the Big East tourney. In MY opinion, we would have to win two BET games before losing one (esp. since the second would be against a 'Nova, UConn, someone like that), making us at least 20-10. That would get us in. 19-11 would be tough, esp. since we'd be the 5th BE team at that point. If things fall into place and we were 19-11 and 4th, we'd have a good shot. We made the NIT for a few years based purely on rep, maybe the selection committee for the NCAA's would do the same?
GO HOYAS!!!
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 31, 2005 14:05:16 GMT -5
why should it hurt us "more"? We lost on the road to a heavily favored team with an RPI of 3!
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Post by hoyabinx on Jan 31, 2005 14:10:16 GMT -5
i think that is still last weeks bracketology, it has maryland as going down which i find hard to believe since they beat Duke and GTech this week.
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Post by guru on Jan 31, 2005 14:12:58 GMT -5
My bad if it is. I figured that since the left side of the page appears to be updated (Games of the Week, etc.) and all the won-loss records are to date, the Brackets were new too.
You're right that with Maryland's win you'd expect them to move up a bit.
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Post by GUHoya07 on Jan 31, 2005 14:13:13 GMT -5
Buffalo, our RPI and SOS are also much stronger than they've been in a long time though. At 19-10 and 4th or 5th in the conference I think we'd be a virtual lock.
So 18-9 at the end of the BE schedule, win 1 BET game and lose one and I think we'd be in.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 31, 2005 14:15:45 GMT -5
Yeah, it's still last week's bracket. I think the new bracket comes out late in the day on Monday each week.
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Post by hoyadrummer on Jan 31, 2005 15:02:44 GMT -5
Buffalo, our RPI and SOS are also much stronger than they've been in a long time though. At 19-10 and 4th or 5th in the conference I think we'd be a virtual lock. So 18-9 at the end of the BE schedule, win 1 BET game and lose one and I think we'd be in. Sorry, but there is no way we are a "virtual lock" at 18-9 and 1-1 in the BE tourney. I completely depends who we beat and how Nova and ND play down the stretch. The new RPI formula is helping the mid majors, and I doubt seven BE teams are dancing this year. Nova has a much better RPI than us, a super high profile win, and will be ranked in the new polls (along with Maryland), so even though we beat them, they are more likely to dance than us. That leaves us and ND fighting for the last spot.
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 31, 2005 15:07:59 GMT -5
Its not last week's bracket. We've got 6 losses people. the Gtown-Maryland matchup took place in a different region last week. Duke now has one loss that they didn't have a week ago.
People act like we have to have everything locked up before the Big East tourney. Its quite possible that 7 teams will qualify. Its also quite possible that we'll get a Big East bye, which would put us in the semis after just one victory. We're still in great shape as long as we continue to play as we have been and avoid bad losses. The next 3 games are a big opportunity.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 31, 2005 15:11:50 GMT -5
Its not last week's bracket. We've got 6 losses people. the Gtown-Maryland matchup took place in a different region last week. Duke now has one loss that they didn't have a week ago. People act like we have to have everything locked up before the Big East tourney. Its quite possible that 7 teams will qualify. Its also quite possible that we'll get a Big East bye, which would put us in the semis after just one victory. We're still in great shape as long as we continue to play as we have been and avoid bad losses. The next 3 games are a big opportunity. Agree Big Dog. We are in fine shape, and the loss to BC does not hurt us that much. If we take care of the next 3 (all winnable games) we will really be in the driver's seat.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 31, 2005 15:13:07 GMT -5
Its not last week's bracket. We've got 6 losses people. the Gtown-Maryland matchup took place in a different region last week. Duke now has one loss that they didn't have a week ago. People act like we have to have everything locked up before the Big East tourney. Its quite possible that 7 teams will qualify. Its also quite possible that we'll get a Big East bye, which would put us in the semis after just one victory. We're still in great shape as long as we continue to play as we have been and avoid bad losses. The next 3 games are a big opportunity. It WAS last week's bracket. Now we're a falling 9 seed facing a falling 8 seed in DePaul. Still not last four in, though.
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Post by hoyadrummer on Jan 31, 2005 15:13:26 GMT -5
No, I think it is last weeks b/c teams that had good/bad weeks don't have the right up/down arrows. It might be set to automatically update records . . . not sure about regions, but there is no way Maryland is sinking after two wins against top 25 teams.
As for our chances, I think they are good, I just hate it when people and assume that a Georgetown team with anything less than 21 wins (including BE tourney) is a lock. There are just too many variables.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 31, 2005 15:15:48 GMT -5
No, I think it is last weeks b/c teams that had good/bad weeks don't have the right up/down arrows. It might be set to automatically update records . . . not sure about regions, but there is no way Maryland is sinking after two wins against top 25 teams. As for our chances, I think they are good, I just hate it when people and assume that a Georgetown team with anything less than 21 wins (including BE tourney) is a lock. There are just too many variables. Maryland is now a rising six seed. We have a nice RPI, which will drop thanks to 2 v Seton Hall, Rutgers, St. John's and West Virginia. We'll need some unexpected wins to avoid dropping out of the 30s in RPI. This team has a very good shot at the NCAAs, but needs to win the ones we should, plus 1-2 of the ones we shouldn't.
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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Jan 31, 2005 15:29:22 GMT -5
From Bracketology:
Hoyas were not very competitive at BC, which may reflect more on the Eagles than on Georgetown. Still a tournament team in my eyes.
Why seeded here? Still a winning Big East team. Still a winning road team.
May change because: 4-5 vs. InsideRPI Top 100. Three of next five on the road.
Good Wins RPI 1-25: @ Villanova RPI 26-50: @pittsburgh
Bad Losses RPI 101-200: N-Oral Roberts RPI 201+: None
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2005 16:41:20 GMT -5
Man, how badly do I want "re-dos" against Temple and Oral...
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Post by hoyadrummer on Jan 31, 2005 16:46:26 GMT -5
Agreed, but Temple was so long ago it won't matter much. Oral too. Plus if Oral makes it to the Dance (they are currently second in the Mid-Continent conference), then it isn't really that bad a loss.
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Post by Cambridge on Jan 31, 2005 16:57:33 GMT -5
Our current RPI is 33 with a SOS of 25 according to www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_156_Men.htmlOur past and future opponents and recent results: (Home in caps -- our result/date on left) Update on our record and our opponents' recent results: L #71 TEMPLE (9-8/5-1) won on the road vs #318 St. BonaventureW #210 CITADEL (8-6/4-4) lost at on the road vs #126 Davidson W #126 Davidson (10-7/9-0) won at home vs #210 CitadelW #194 PENN ST. (6-13/1-6) lost at home vs #14 WisconsinL #8 ILLINOIS (21-0/7-0) won at home vs #38 MinnesotaW #228 SAN JOSE ST. (6-12/3-6) won at home vs #80 RiceL #127 Oral Roberts (14-5/6-2) lost at home vs #129 UMKCW #301 Long Beach St. (3-16/1-8) lost at home vs #108 Utah St.W #70 Clemson (10-10/1-7) lost at home vs #106 NC St.W #267 NORFOLD ST. (8-9/6-3) lost on the road vs #282 Morgan St.W #306 HOWARD (5-12/2-6) lost at home vs #233 Bethune-CookmanW #48 Pittsburgh (14-3/4-2) won on at home vs #18 SyracuseL #32 UCONN (12-5/4-3) lost on the road vs #51 Notre DameW #102 RUTGERS (7-10/1-6) lost at home vs #16 VillanovaW #16 Villanova (12-4/4-3) won on the road vs #102 RutgersL #18 Syracuse (20-2/7-1) lost on the road vs #48 PittsburghW #51 NOTRE DAME (13-5/5-3) won at home vs #32 UConnW #159 ST. JOHN'S (7-10/1-6) lost at home vs #93 Seton HallL #3 Boston College (18-0/7-0) won at home vs #33 GeorgetownUpcoming: 2-2 #93 SETON HALL (10-7/2-4) won on the road vs #159 St. John's2-5 #102 Rutgers 2-12 #88 WEST VIRGINIA (12-6/2-5) won on the road vs #59 Providence2-16 #51 Notre Dame 2-20 #159 St. John's 2-27 #16 VILLANOVA 3-2 #32 UConn 3-5 #59 Providence (8-10/0-6) lost at home vs #88 West VirginiaOur Results vs Opponents in the: 1-10: 0-2 11-20: 1-1 (OT) 21-50: 1-1 51-100: 2-1 101-200: 4-1 201-300: 3-0 300+: 2-0 Overall: 13-6 (5-3) RPI: 33 SOS: 25 Pomeroy: 54 Sagarin: 50 (ELO CHESS 30/PURE POINTS 71) Total Matchups for the season vs Opponents in the: 1-10: 2 11-20: 3 21-50: 3 51-100: 7 101-200: 7 201-300: 3 300+: 2
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Post by Big Dog on Jan 31, 2005 17:06:43 GMT -5
I think there must be twice-weekly updates taking place on this thing now. We were absolutely in a different region last week Monday, and Marquette was not among the last 4 in at that point. So I don't know what's going on.
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Post by hoyadrummer on Jan 31, 2005 17:06:49 GMT -5
Pomeroy and Saragin use margin of victory in their formulas, (except for Elo Chess), the RPI doesn't. With all our close wins we will drag in Pomeroy and Saragin's rankings, but it shouldn't hurt us with the Selection Commitee.
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