tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Mar 17, 2009 13:44:19 GMT -5
17 year olds can't be unethical? Or act like bums? Wow. I remember my teen years differently.
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Post by 98hoya on Mar 17, 2009 13:51:19 GMT -5
Sure, they can, Tas. It's just that they don't do so by changing their mind about which college they're going to attend. As an aside, it wasn't that he was "acting like a bum," it's that he IS a bum.
To understand my point, imagine if every time you screwed up as a 17 yr old (assuming changing college choices is a "screw up"), some adult you didn't know started telling other people you are a bum and unethical.
Classy, huh?
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Mar 17, 2009 15:56:52 GMT -5
98hoya.... i suppose it's semantics but it's not every time. It's this one instance. Knowing the circumstances would help one to evaluate the validity of the claim. I think it's entirely possible to be a bum at 17. I'm not saying the kid is or is not. I'm not one of the people who know the circumstances. Really a pointless argument I suppose. Yes, I'd be inclined to give a 17 year old the benefit of the doubt but it sounds as though others have some not so pleasant info that puts this kid in a bad light. In any case, the circumstantial evidence is enough for me to feel good about rooting against him next year with the Cuse.
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Post by 98hoya on Mar 17, 2009 16:27:33 GMT -5
98hoya.... i suppose it's semantics but it's not every time. It's this one instance. Knowing the circumstances would help one to evaluate the validity of the claim. I think it's entirely possible to be a bum at 17. I'm not saying the kid is or is not. I'm not one of the people who know the circumstances. Really a pointless argument I suppose. Yes, I'd be inclined to give a 17 year old the benefit of the doubt but it sounds as though others have some not so pleasant info that puts this kid in a bad light. In any case, the circumstantial evidence is enough for me to feel good about rooting against him next year with the Cuse. I think we agree that what is semantics is whether you say he's "acting" like a bum or "is" a bum. But that semantic distinction is one you made, not the one SirSaxa made. He said Riley IS a bum and IS unethical. Not that he's acting that way, but that's what he is. I also agree that SirSaxa and others might know something (or, also likely, they're among the pathetic multitudes who grab hold of a rumor and somehow derive self-worth from having what they believe is inside knowledge). Frankly, I don't know which and I don't care. Either way, one shouldn't publicly call children "bums" or "unethical" for changing college choices.
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Mar 17, 2009 17:42:12 GMT -5
I agree with you 98, but I think the ire arises not from the switch of college choices, but more from the need to state in public that "it had a lot to do with" JT3.
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Post by 98hoya on Mar 17, 2009 17:50:12 GMT -5
I agree with you 98, but I think the ire arises not from the switch of college choices, but more from the need to state in public that "it had a lot to do with" JT3. I'm glad you agree, but I don't follow. That he said the coach was a big part of his decision to go elsewhere makes him a bum and unethical? That statement could mean ANYTHING, couldn't it? It could simply mean that JT3 told him that Monroe is staying and Riley likely won't play a lot until Monroe goes. Although I'm not a mind-reader, I suspect the ire is more closely pinned to the fact that he's a really good player and he would've helped the team a great deal.
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Mar 17, 2009 18:08:54 GMT -5
Guys, you are making my head spin. Im still Editeded about Kris Joseph going to cuse* to be angry about losing another recruit to them
*at least he thinks i am angry about it
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Mar 17, 2009 19:22:22 GMT -5
That's true, I guess it's ambiguous on it's face. But given the way that it was reported (headline: No Joy in Hoya-ville or whatever), a statement like "it had a lot to do with the staff" is reasonably interpreted as bashing the staff. You're right, it doesn't necessarily mean that, but that's the way I took it and I'd guess that that's the way most people took it.
Still don't think we should call him a bum, as much as boo the crap out of him when Cuse comes down to DC. That is, if he gets PT behind Onuaku and Jackson.
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Mar 17, 2009 21:35:35 GMT -5
If the guy can publicly criticize the staff at GU (and yes, it is clear that that's what the bum was doing) then he can take a little badmouthing on a message board he's probably never heard of.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Mar 17, 2009 22:13:35 GMT -5
i don t think it right to rip into teenagers, especially ones still in high school. that said, calling riley a bum isn t close to crossing the line. so lets just move on. he is the least of our problems.
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rambis
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Post by rambis on May 12, 2009 19:09:57 GMT -5
FWIW: I spoke to a coach from a college in Michigan today about Dashonte Riley and feel quite a bit better about where he ended up. The guy was pretty familiar with Riley's game and said, in as tactful a manner as possible, that he didn't see the commitment to improve or to develop his skills. He suggested he was a big body without much upside. He was unfamiliar with Benimon or Sanford, but was impressed that Hollis Thompson matriculated early. He was also very high on Lubick.
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Post by tpk3 on May 14, 2009 0:53:39 GMT -5
I wonder how riley feels about boeheim recruting 7 footer Fabricio de Melo from 2010. maybe when de melo visits and outplays him riley will go up in stands again, refuse to play, take out his kleenex, and then think he needs to go somewhere where he can be "star rather than role player"
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