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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 21, 2012 14:53:17 GMT -5
The difference is that 501(c)(4) groups are pledging him support, giving Akin the financial muscle for ad buys even if the RNC backs away.
The next question is whether the RNC wants to run a third candidate that could splinter the vote, or lay low and take their chances that Akin wins and they avoid the collateral damage.
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Post by derhoya on Aug 22, 2012 8:08:16 GMT -5
I knew the congressional/senatorial races would be more interesting! It will also be interesting how Akin + the GOP plank of '100% life' with no exceptions on abortion push women voters in other tighter races.
It will be interesting how Akin's race presence still plays in the news cycles during the GOP's Convention, oh and a hurricane may crash the party too!
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Post by Boz on Aug 22, 2012 8:16:41 GMT -5
oh and a hurricane may crash the party too! Now, now. I know Joe Biden is a walking, talking disaster, but there's no reason to call him a hurricane. Hurricanes are named after women! |
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Post by TC on Aug 22, 2012 8:30:43 GMT -5
The next question is whether the RNC wants to run a third candidate that could splinter the vote, or lay low and take their chances that Akin wins and they avoid the collateral damage. Establishment Republican Sarah Palin is now calling for a third party candidate. |
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Post by Boz on Aug 22, 2012 9:21:46 GMT -5
I've heard Sarah Palin called many things.
"Establishment Republican" has never been one of them.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 22, 2012 10:13:12 GMT -5
I've heard Sarah Palin called many things. "Establishment Republican" has never been one of them. Soon they'll be calling her a RINO. Whatever fits the narrative. Just like the GOP being anti-women or waging a war on women. |
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Post by TC on Aug 22, 2012 10:16:46 GMT -5
I've heard Sarah Palin called many things. "Establishment Republican" has never been one of them. I've never seen her rejecting ideology for partisan political practicality before either, but she is here. |
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Post by Boz on Aug 22, 2012 11:01:20 GMT -5
I've heard Sarah Palin called many things. "Establishment Republican" has never been one of them. I've never seen her rejecting ideology for partisan political practicality before either, but she is here. What ideology is she rejecting, exactly? Rejecting Todd Akin does not mean you are pro-choice. It means you are rejecting Todd Akin. You know she never supported Akin in the first place, right? She backed Sarah Steelman. |
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Post by TC on Aug 22, 2012 11:24:06 GMT -5
What ideology is she rejecting, exactly? Rejecting Todd Akin does not mean you are pro-choice. It means you are rejecting Todd Akin. Who said she's rejecting Todd Akin over what she said? She called his stand "principled". She's not taking this stance for Sarah Steelman or for any other reason other than party power. It's politics, so that's all well and good and I'm not criticizing her for pragmatism, but that's pretty much the definition of establishment - taking actions to become the dominant group or elite holding power. |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Aug 22, 2012 12:04:31 GMT -5
BTW, hurricane names have alternated between men's and women's names since 1979. Run Todd run.
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Post by kchoya on Aug 22, 2012 12:48:58 GMT -5
What ideology is she rejecting, exactly? Rejecting Todd Akin does not mean you are pro-choice. It means you are rejecting Todd Akin. Who said she's rejecting Todd Akin over what she said? She called his stand "principled". She's not taking this stance for Sarah Steelman or for any other reason other than party power. It's politics, so that's all well and good and I'm not criticizing her for pragmatism, but that's pretty much the definition of establishment - taking actions to become the dominant group or elite holding power. Still not sure how that makes her an "establishment" Republican. Also, this apropos, but I found this photo particularly amusing: www.reutersgallery.com/reutersgallery/ddf?type=v&id=1060 |
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Post by thebin on Aug 22, 2012 14:04:04 GMT -5
I've heard Sarah Palin called many things. "Establishment Republican" has never been one of them. While that's true, it is so more or less because she lacks enough knowledge about any manner of subjects to ever be confused for an establishment republican. She flat doesn't know enough to qualify. I know that's supposed to make her a hero to many of the angry right, but I'm not drinking that particular kool aid ever again. Makes me feel icky afterward. |
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Post by Boz on Aug 22, 2012 14:25:04 GMT -5
BTW, hurricane names have alternated between men's and women's names since 1979. I believe in artistic license ;D It is EXACTLY statements like this that require him to reconsider his candidacy. Bill Kristol made one of the better points in the last few days about this, channeling Abraham Lincoln: www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/advice-regarding-akin_650476.htmlWhile the public outcries from Republicans are pretty much required by the nature of politics, those are not what are going to get him to drop out. They, in fact, have the opposite effect. If he drops out, it will be because of quiet behind-the-scenes conversations with friendly voices, not because of public condemnation in editorials or TV interviews. (EDIT: well either friendly voices or pictures of his junk showing up on Twitter.  ) |
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 22, 2012 15:09:07 GMT -5
Apologies in advance for bringing the lunatic fringe to the forefront but this is too hilarious not to share: blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/08/22/ok-heres-a-tax-hike-defense-you-dont-see-everyday/Is this the only man who can potentially take the heat off Rep. Akin? PS: Lubbock County is Texas' 18th most populous county, with 278,831 residents as of the 2010 U.S. Census. This dude is essentially its CEO, which makes me really happy I no longer live in Lubbock. |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Aug 24, 2012 8:53:50 GMT -5
The fate of the country be damned. Republican members of Congress just don't care. Power, whatever the cost! From wackos preparing for riots to organized efforts to suppress minority and senior citizen votes(probably the most un-American action possible) to efforts to reduce the tax rate on those with the most while simultaneously raising taxes on the middle class to Todd Akin, the Republican party has become the party of unimaginable extremes. The Party of No: New Details on the GOP Plot to Obstruct ObamaQUOTE:“It was stunning that we’d set this up and before hearing from the President, they’d say they were going to oppose this,” Axelrod says. “Our feeling was, we were dealing with a potential disaster of epic proportions that demanded cooperation. If anything was a signal of what the next two years would be like, it was that....”
David Obey, then-chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, met with his GOP counterpart, Jerry Lewis, to explain what Democrats had in mind for the stimulus and ask what Republicans wanted to include. “Jerry’s response was: ‘I’m sorry, but leadership tells us we can’t play,’” Obey told me. “Exact quote: ‘We can’t play.’ What they said right from the get-go was: It doesn’t matter what the hell you do, we ain’t going to help you. We’re going to stand on the sidelines and bitch.”
Lewis blames Obey and the Democrats for the committee’s turn toward extreme partisanship, but he doesn’t deny that GOP leaders made a decision not to play. “The leadership decided there was no play to be had,” he said. Republicans recognized that after Obama’s big promises about bipartisanship, they could break those promises by refusing to cooperate. In the words of Congressman Tom Cole, a deputy Republican whip: “We wanted the talking point: ‘The only thing bipartisan was the opposition.’” |
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Post by Boz on Aug 24, 2012 9:19:33 GMT -5
Oh my God!! That is horrific!! You know, as opposed to all of that cooperation George Bush got when he wanted to begin the discussion of reforming Social Security. Those Democrats weren't booing him in the well of the House. They were shouting "Booo-ush!"  (Excellent use of talking points on your part, however). |
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Post by TBird41 on Aug 24, 2012 11:51:00 GMT -5
Stupid obstructionist Republicans! If only they had been willing to work with him--Obama could have passed a trillion dollar stimulus bill, a healthcare reform bill and new wall street regulation!
(Too bad the Republicans' obstruction didn't actually prevent any legislation)
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Aug 27, 2012 10:35:23 GMT -5
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Post by Cambridge on Aug 27, 2012 14:47:30 GMT -5
Come on Austin, you know that anything foreign is unamerican. |
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Post by Boz on Aug 27, 2012 15:12:46 GMT -5
Come on Austin, you know that anything foreign is unamerican. Well......yeah. That's kind of the meaning of the word "foreign." I don't think you can fault Mitt Romney for not talking about this. It's part of his regular stump speech and, while stump speeches don't often go into detail (particularly Romney's stump speeches ;D ), he does address steps he would take on his site. I have not heard what Obama has to say about China very much. (Then again, I kind of tune him out most of the time. Damn foreigner!) There is nothing I could find about it on his official site. |
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