What makes you think elvado isn't getting paid? ;D
Look, you can justify/rationalize this (or anything any politician you agree with says) any way you want.
The fact remains that there is very little in the President's comments that is in any way complimentary to those people who DO take risks to get ahead, who DO work harder to be successful, who really ARE the job creators and people who help to drive our economy.
I am not in the business of trying to convince anyone on here who is an Obama supporter that I am right and you are wrong (I mean, I know that's true, but I can't make you know it too ;D). We can argue about things, and I usually enjoy that and it's fun because we are mostly pretty civil on here -- with healthy doses of snark on both sides -- but let's face it: very few minds get changed on this board.
But, it just so happens that I believe that if Obama continues to make campaign speeches along these lines, it will hurt him with the general electorate (though probably not with his base). And it will be used by his opposition (if they are smart, which I am not convinced of yet).
BTW, no one said it was "unprecedented." I believe the point of the original post on the subject was that he was cribbing Elizabeth Warren (and, to an extent, Hillary Clinton before her).
"You'd be crazy NOT to!" -- Donagh Gilhooly, bartender and wisest of men
Yeah I hear you, I enjoy posting here more than a lot of other places because whether I agree with them or not, people tend to back up their beliefs. Seeing certain phrases (e.g. 'job creators') used in a serious manner is like a highway warning sign 'No Real Discussion Ahead'
I agree with you that overplaying that kind of speech will hurt him. I'm not to keen on the politicking side of these things, but the more you have to explain 'what I *meant*' after a speech, the worse it's going to be for you.
Also, I would LOVE to not support Obama. Unfortunately, Romney is the Republican nominee and there are no viable third party candidates (which is because nobody thinks they're viable which makes them not viable so nobody thinks they're viable which...). Huntsman likely would have had my vote.
those people who DO take risks to get ahead, who DO work harder to be successful, who really ARE the job creators and people who help to drive our economy.
And who are these people? The Republican narrative over the last few years has been: "wealthy people found companies, which make jobs, and jobs drive the economy. This is the only way jobs are created, so we'd better make damn sure the rich people have money. Let's cut taxes again!"
The fact is, you don't have to be wealthy to found a company (though it certainly helps), and I would guess the majority of small business start-ups aren't funded by venture capitalists. Is it impossible to get a small business loan these days? Aren't creativity, innovation, and good management practices ultimately more important to a business than capital? Are there any statistics to support the notion that the super-rich, rather than middle class innovators, are driving small business growth in America?
The most frustrating thing to me about the Democratic narrative is that it actually seems to be based on the Republican narrative: "Yes, rich people ARE the ones who create jobs, but they are able to do so only because we have government and public goods. Therefore it's okay to increase taxes on the wealthy, but not on the middle class."
I'm having a hard time deciding which party's dumbed-down economic message I like less.
Neither candidate is addressing the enormous debt.
Because of the draconian doomsday cuts required at the end of the year, the topic will be front and center between election day and New Year's day. It's almost as if the two parties have colluded to keep it out of the news cycle, since neither of them have the balls to discuss it or the votes to get anything done.
As well I believe Austin's version of democratic and republican narratives simply and accurately describes these talking points.
One thing I fail to grasp is if taxes, on a relative basis, are the lowest they've been in the last 50+ years, why aren't the "job creators" creating jobs? I tend to doubt that investment decisions on whether to start a company or increase investment in a going concern are affected to a significant degree by the top marginal tax rate. That argument is totally bogus.
Last Edit: Jul 16, 2012 15:29:06 GMT -5 by hoyainspirit
Who Dat! Oh please let me be, I have to be, schizophrenic me!
PHOENIX (AP) — Investigators for an Arizona sheriff's volunteer posse have declared that President Barack Obama's birth certificate is definitely fraudulent.
""He has to control the paint. It's not his choice, it's his responsibility, it's his duty, it's his obligation." Bill Walton on Roy Hibbert.
PHOENIX (AP) — Investigators for an Arizona sheriff's volunteer posse have declared that President Barack Obama's birth certificate is definitely fraudulent.
Good to know that guy's in charge of the people determining if there's probable cause someone's in the country illegally...
PHOENIX (AP) — Investigators for an Arizona sheriff's volunteer posse have declared that President Barack Obama's birth certificate is definitely fraudulent.
Good to know that guy's in charge of the people determining if there's probable cause someone's in the country illegally...
I thought Eric Holder was in charge of that.
""He has to control the paint. It's not his choice, it's his responsibility, it's his duty, it's his obligation." Bill Walton on Roy Hibbert.
Has anyone tried to reach Dan Rather or CBS News for comment?
I may have to watch Hardball tonight. I think there is a strong chance Chris Matthews' level of apoplectic outrage will rise high enough that his head might explode on air.
"You'd be crazy NOT to!" -- Donagh Gilhooly, bartender and wisest of men
Has anyone tried to reach Dan Rather or CBS News for comment?
I may have to watch Hardball tonight. I think there is a strong chance Chris Matthews' level of apoplectic outrage will rise high enough that his head might explode on air.
You mean the same Chris Matthews who just said this about Obama: "[H]e’s never done anything wrong. He’s the perfect father, the perfect husband, the perfect American[.]"
Lovely visual and audio of Obama supporters chanting "4 more years" as the President finished a very dignified statement about the Colorado shooting. No class whatsoever. None.
QUOTE: Former Vice President Dick Cheney said Sen. John McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin as his 2008 running mate was a “mistake” and cautioned presumptive nominee Mitt Romney to select someone “capable of being president....”
Cheney said he had spoken with Romney and Beth Myers, the campaign adviser heading the search for the vice presidential pick but would not publically share his advice.
Can't wait for his take on the Iraq War....
Who Dat! Oh please let me be, I have to be, schizophrenic me!
