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Post by AustinHoya03 on Apr 24, 2012 13:55:25 GMT -5
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Post by kchoya on Apr 24, 2012 14:32:36 GMT -5
Looks like the government bailout of Ford really helped.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 24, 2012 14:41:31 GMT -5
Well, it's lucky then that there's a choice to be made this fall. Instead of continuing down the path we're on, you can choose an economy that produces a growing middle class and that gives people a chance to get ahead, and their kids a chance to get ahead. Choose a different course. During the time that Romney was Governor of MA, the state (err commonwealth) ranked 47th in job creation. If he presents a choice of a growing middle class, it is also a choice of a road less traveled for him. Maybe Romney should blame his predecessor in the governor's office for all of the state's economic woes, while simultaneously claiming all the credit for lowering the state's unemployment rate. Naw, no politician would actually do that.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 25, 2012 12:23:24 GMT -5
I wonder if the Supreme Court has a pinata that looks like Donald Verrilli in some conference room in the back of the building.
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 25, 2012 13:01:18 GMT -5
Is Don Verilli the son of Don Verilli of Class of '52?
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Post by rosslynhoya on Apr 25, 2012 13:55:04 GMT -5
Is Don Verilli the son of Don Verilli of Class of '52? Quite possibly. SGOTUS was born in New Rochelle, New York, in 1957 to Donald and Rose Marie Verrilli.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 25, 2012 14:15:06 GMT -5
Is Don Verilli the son of Don Verilli of Class of '52? Look at Ed, pulling a NevadaHoya.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 25, 2012 20:26:44 GMT -5
During the time that Romney was Governor of MA, the state (err commonwealth) ranked 47th in job creation. If he presents a choice of a growing middle class, it is also a choice of a road less traveled for him. Maybe Romney should blame his predecessor in the governor's office for all of the state's economic woes, while simultaneously claiming all the credit for lowering the state's unemployment rate. Naw, no politician would actually do that. What credit does President Bush deserve for the lower unemployment? That's like giving Jimmy Carter credit for the decline in unemployment in 1983. In my view, he deserves none.
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Post by Boz on Apr 26, 2012 8:49:15 GMT -5
Unemployment is lower? Than what...France? Greece? Superlative job of missing the point completely, Jersey!
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 26, 2012 21:42:45 GMT -5
Unemployment is lower? Than what...France? Greece? Superlative job of missing the point completely, Jersey! Certainly we must then get rid of Bob McDonnell in Virginia too because unemployment is only lower there than it once was. And - interestingly enough, France had a lower unemployment rate than we did in January 2009. I wonder why. This is no longer true. Again, I wonder why. The reality is that this country became more like France under President Bush than it has under Obama. Now, we even have kc basically pontificating about a world without economic cycles, as if the unemployment hose magically goes off when a new president is elected. Only a socialist system controls for these things, and magically, our socialist President has not been able to do it, try as he might. As we head into the election cycle, we are left to wonder why all of us "people who don't get it" stand behind a President whose approval rating is at 50% (Gallup) and leads Mitt Romney by six points. What have we missed? Here are some thoughts - I forgot to answer the knock when they came to take my health insurance. I didn't see Rev. Wright in church on Sunday. TOTUS has not bombed the Pentagon like his terrorist buddies did. Then again, I am not the one either who would take a stand against TOTUS's ridiculous, oppressive tax hikes. Perhaps that means only a five car garage, and I'm left to park my M-Class on the drive. Tant pis, as Mitt Romney might have said on his mission. What have we been missing?
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Post by Boz on Apr 26, 2012 23:03:59 GMT -5
Based on that last paragraph, I'd say it's your meds you've been missing.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 27, 2012 9:29:18 GMT -5
Unemployment is lower? Than what...France? Greece? Superlative job of missing the point completely, Jersey! Certainly we must then get rid of Bob McDonnell in Virginia too because unemployment is only lower there than it once was. And - interestingly enough, France had a lower unemployment rate than we did in January 2009. I wonder why. This is no longer true. Again, I wonder why. The reality is that this country became more like France under President Bush than it has under Obama. Now, we even have kc basically pontificating about a world without economic cycles, as if the unemployment hose magically goes off when a new president is elected. Only a socialist system controls for these things, and magically, our socialist President has not been able to do it, try as he might. As we head into the election cycle, we are left to wonder why all of us "people who don't get it" stand behind a President whose approval rating is at 50% (Gallup) and leads Mitt Romney by six points. What have we missed? Here are some thoughts - I forgot to answer the knock when they came to take my health insurance. I didn't see Rev. Wright in church on Sunday. TOTUS has not bombed the Pentagon like his terrorist buddies did. Then again, I am not the one either who would take a stand against TOTUS's ridiculous, oppressive tax hikes. Perhaps that means only a five car garage, and I'm left to park my M-Class on the drive. Tant pis, as Mitt Romney might have said on his mission. What have we been missing? Much wordier, but still missing the point. Not that I expected anything different.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 27, 2012 11:45:47 GMT -5
As usual, kc and Boz miss the point. We've been telling Republic voters this for the past three years in response to the talking points I parodied. The level of chutzpah of two-time Bush voters is often startling, if not damaging ($1 trillion out of the economy on the tax cuts alone).
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Post by Boz on Apr 27, 2012 11:56:56 GMT -5
"You've completely missed the point."
"No...YOU'VE completely missed the point."
This looks promising.
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Post by TBird41 on Apr 27, 2012 12:14:42 GMT -5
($1 trillion out of the economy on the tax cuts alone). Either you meant to type "budget" or "deficit" instead of "economy" or I have no idea how that sentence makes sense
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Post by kchoya on Apr 27, 2012 12:24:09 GMT -5
($1 trillion out of the economy on the tax cuts alone). Either you meant to type "budget" or "deficit" instead of "economy" or I have no idea how that sentence makes sense It makes sense if you look at from the ideology that the government taking less from the taxpayers is bad and contributes nothing to the economy, and if the government had abolished those evil tax cuts and gobbled up that $1T the economy would have benefitted.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 27, 2012 12:35:58 GMT -5
It is far more likely that the government would have spent the money on projects that have created jobs, when what happened is that the Bush tax cuts often got dumped into savings accounts and were not used to create any economic benefit outside of savings. While it is easy to take a calculator and figure out the cost of Obama stimulus per job created (and it probably is startling), one has to ask what the cost has been of the Bush tax cuts per job created. Some estimates place that north of 300K per job.
By taking one path instead of another, the opportunity costs of the Bush tax cuts are startling - and I have heard 1T bandied about for that but who knows. Obama deserves criticism for giving in to this kind of tax policy, and I consider it to be one of his failings as President.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 27, 2012 12:58:13 GMT -5
It is far more likely that the government would have spent the money on projects that have created jobs, when what happened is that the Bush tax cuts often got dumped into savings accounts and were not used to create any economic benefit outside of savings. While it is easy to take a calculator and figure out the cost of Obama stimulus per job created (and it probably is startling), one has to ask what the cost has been of the Bush tax cuts per job created. Some estimates place that north of 300K per job. By taking one path instead of another, the opportunity costs of the Bush tax cuts are startling - and I have heard 1T bandied about for that but who knows. Obama deserves criticism for giving in to this kind of tax policy, and I consider it to be one of his failings as President. Not one of Obama's failings: getting Osama. Romney would not have done that.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 29, 2012 10:06:47 GMT -5
Obama, meet football. Football, meet Obama.
Spike.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Apr 29, 2012 20:48:54 GMT -5
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