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Post by kchoya on Mar 28, 2012 16:31:48 GMT -5
Yes. Imagine the crap liberals would try to pass if they had confirmation of their belief that the federal goverment can and should attempt to cure all ills. But, if your State did it, that would be okay? Depends on what the issue is. Generally speaking, I think the principle of subsidiarity is a good approach for governmental entities to take.
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 28, 2012 16:33:05 GMT -5
That's fair.
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 28, 2012 18:44:14 GMT -5
I think TBird's question is like would you prefer to drown your oldest child or your youngest? I believe that dismantling the current Obamacare is the first step in dismantling Obama.
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Post by hooahhoya on Mar 29, 2012 5:29:19 GMT -5
The question stems from the idea that some people are advancing that removing Obamacare would remove the albatross from Obama's neck, allowing him to win reelection. Would establishing a limit on the Commerce Clause be more important than whatever Obama might do with his increased flexibility? Or is it better to get Romney in there, hope they can overturn Obamacare but with the knowledge that the Federal Government now has the same plenary powers as the states? (Liberals can come up with their own pro/cons for the two scenarios) I think the other side of this theory is the idea that whichever side loses at SCOTUS is going to be more motivated to get out the vote on election day...
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Post by kchoya on Mar 29, 2012 8:55:29 GMT -5
The question stems from the idea that some people are advancing that removing Obamacare would remove the albatross from Obama's neck, allowing him to win reelection. Would establishing a limit on the Commerce Clause be more important than whatever Obama might do with his increased flexibility? Or is it better to get Romney in there, hope they can overturn Obamacare but with the knowledge that the Federal Government now has the same plenary powers as the states? (Liberals can come up with their own pro/cons for the two scenarios) I think the other side of this theory is the idea that whichever side loses at SCOTUS is going to be more motivated to get out the vote on election day... Do you really think so? I think the turnout will be what it will be regardless of the Court's opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2012 12:46:27 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Mar 30, 2012 13:17:35 GMT -5
I'm not a Republican, but I'll still be all over him for it. Hey, use it if you need it. It's your show. But the fact that you DO need it? Sorry. Pretty flippin' weak there, Boss. You too, Paul McCartney. On the other hand, they're gettin' up there. Memories probably aren't what they used to be.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 30, 2012 13:21:44 GMT -5
You would think that a guy charging close to a hundred dollars a ticket could at least remember his own words.
Full disclosure--I have attended over 50 Bruce shows over the years but am opting out of this tour in its entirety. I can no longer stomach a man with close to $500MM in the bank bitching about hard times and the plight of the common man.
He has not been in touch with anything remotely like real life since the summer of 1984.
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 30, 2012 14:25:32 GMT -5
Springsteen is terrible. I absolutely do not understand the appeal. I was told that I had to see him live to really get it. So, I did and it was one of the worst shows I've ever seen. I'm not surprised that hack is using a prompter.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 30, 2012 14:26:23 GMT -5
Based on Bruce's political beliefs, I think and TOTUS have the same scripts loaded in their teleprompters.
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Post by guru on Mar 30, 2012 15:00:16 GMT -5
Springsteen is terrible. I absolutely do not understand the appeal. I was told that I had to see him live to really get it. So, I did and it was one of the worst shows I've ever seen. I'm not surprised that hack is using a prompter. Yeah, but he still poops bigger 'n you
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Apr 5, 2012 15:33:13 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 5, 2012 16:25:17 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Apr 6, 2012 10:09:43 GMT -5
Yes, nice find indeed.
Umm, except that the story neglects to mention that Gillespie left the firm in 2007 to work for George Bush right after CAHR was formed and it appears that he himself never lobbied for an individual mandate.
Ah, well. Details. They's a pain.
Say, anyone interested in the interesting backgrounds of some of Obama's close advisors?
Pfft. Naaah.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 6, 2012 10:52:42 GMT -5
Wait, you mean a candidate for president may have hired an advisor who may or may not agree with 100% of the candidate's positions? Stop the presses!
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 6, 2012 13:15:07 GMT -5
Yes, nice find indeed. Umm, except that the story neglects to mention that Gillespie left the firm in 2007 to work for George Bush right after CAHR was formed and it appears that he himself never lobbied for an individual mandate. Ah, well. Details. They's a pain. Wait, you mean a candidate for president may have hired an advisor who may or may not agree with 100% of the candidate's positions? Stop the presses! It's still a nice find. Oh, and Boz, is that like the right wing conspiracy theorists accusing the White House of orchestrating the Fluke issue because she is represented by Anita Dunn's firm, SKDKnickerbocker, though Fluke is not a Dunn client, and at the time of the testimony, had never met Ms. Fluke? Just wondering....
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Post by Boz on Apr 6, 2012 13:47:41 GMT -5
No, it's gorram lazy-ass reporting is what it is.
I don't care if it's a conservative paper, a liberal paper or somewhere in between.
The person who wrote that story barely rates above gossip magazine proofreader. He looked at some names, dates and press releases and said: "oooh, juicy!" without even bothering to look into any of the details. Clearly, he did not attempt to contact Gillespie, his former firm or the Romney campaign for clarification.
Tim Carney gets awarded zero points and may God have mercy blah, blah, blah.
Also, FWIW, I have no idea who are the right wing conspiracy theorists to whom you refer. I have never even heard that accusation. I don't doubt someone somewhere made the charge, but I hardly think it's in the mainstream of conservative thinking.
Also, also: there is a big difference between a political operative trying to generate some partisan heat, which is in their daily job description, and a so-called "reporter" ginning up fictions.
If there are conservative reporters, newscasters or journalists making the case that you describe, I will happily call them out too.
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Post by Buckets on Apr 6, 2012 14:01:04 GMT -5
Tim Carney will not be winning the Pulitzer for blog post on the website of a free newspaper.
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Post by Boz on Apr 6, 2012 14:24:58 GMT -5
Tim Carney will not be winning the Pulitzer for blog post on the website of a free newspaper. I'm not sure if you were offering it as one, I don't think you were, but I do not accept that as an excuse. A phone call? An email? These are too much to ask?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Apr 6, 2012 16:39:33 GMT -5
No, it's gorram lazy-ass reporting is what it is. I don't care if it's a conservative paper, a liberal paper or somewhere in between. The person who wrote that story barely rates above gossip magazine proofreader. He looked at some names, dates and press releases and said: "oooh, juicy!" without even bothering to look into any of the details. Clearly, he did not attempt to contact Gillespie, his former firm or the Romney campaign for clarification. Tim Carney gets awarded zero points and may God have mercy blah, blah, blah. Also, FWIW, I have no idea who are the right wing conspiracy theorists to whom you refer. I have never even heard that accusation. I don't doubt someone somewhere made the charge, but I hardly think it's in the mainstream of conservative thinking. Also, also: there is a big difference between a political operative trying to generate some partisan heat, which is in their daily job description, and a so-called "reporter" ginning up fictions. If there are conservative reporters, newscasters or journalists making the case that you describe, I will happily call them out too. See Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh for starters.
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