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Post by EasyEd on Mar 9, 2012 16:58:20 GMT -5
Obama a right of center politician? You gotta be kiddin'.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 9, 2012 17:24:52 GMT -5
Hitler Stalin? Who said anything about Stalin?
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Post by Elvado on Mar 10, 2012 5:55:40 GMT -5
Obama (and his supplicant media choir) continues to amaze. Today I watched them turn backflips over 8.3% unemployment. He is truly magical. Only a magician could spin such numbers into something to cheer about.
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 14, 2012 8:10:16 GMT -5
Santorum.
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Post by TC on Mar 14, 2012 8:25:39 GMT -5
....has no shot of winning and I'm tired of people pretending that he does.
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Post by strummer8526 on Mar 14, 2012 8:39:23 GMT -5
Couldn't even win American Samoa, which, until this morning, I didn't know voted in primaries. What a loser.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 14, 2012 9:41:47 GMT -5
Waiting for the obligatory post from The Ambassador about how yesterday's results spell doom for Romney...
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Post by bmartin on Mar 14, 2012 9:52:20 GMT -5
Romney's campaign is run by morons. They robocalled the hell out of Mississippi Republicans with a message that Santorum was not a real Tea Pary candidate. What an idiotic tactic and message. Romney could have stolen Mississippi with a 35% plurality if they had effectively targeted the suburban & Chamber of Commerce Republicans with an economic message instead of assuming that everyone is Mississippi is a country dumbass.
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Post by Boz on Mar 14, 2012 10:08:08 GMT -5
I'm kinda bummed the Virginia primary is over. I was looking forward to a robocall from Donald Trump.
Dammit!
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Post by kchoya on Mar 14, 2012 10:18:15 GMT -5
I'm kinda bummed the Virginia primary is over. I was looking forward to a robocall from Donald Trump. Dammit! I'm still waiting for a robocall from Peter Weller.
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Post by quickplay on Mar 14, 2012 10:39:01 GMT -5
Obama a right of center politician? You gotta be kiddin'. Not at all.
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Post by Boz on Mar 14, 2012 10:58:37 GMT -5
I'm kinda bummed the Virginia primary is over. I was looking forward to a robocall from Donald Trump. Dammit! I'm still waiting for a robocall from Peter Weller. He's busy tracking down Fab Melo and asking him why he never showed up even once to his ancient history class.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 14, 2012 11:07:00 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for a robocall from Peter Weller. He's busy tracking down Fab Melo and asking him why he never showed up even once to his ancient history class. Dang, nice find. Of course, any off-the-court troubles are all ancient history to Jimmy B. (as are SU's chances of making the final four ;D )
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 14, 2012 11:44:46 GMT -5
Does anybody know if Mitt had grits this morning?
Admittedly, Santorum does not stand much of a chance of winning the nomination at this point on his own, but as long as Gingrich stays in and amasses delegates, Santorum can stand in the way of Romney hitting the threshold and/or Gingrich could put Santorum over the threshold. I don't doubt that Gingrich has the hunger for power to stand in the way of Romney and force his way on the ticket; whether he has the delegates in the end is another matter.
If Santorum and Gingrich don't end up with more delegates and Romney is still short, we may be looking at a Santorum-Gingrich battle to put Romney over the top.
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Post by Boz on Mar 14, 2012 12:20:30 GMT -5
Newt Gingrich will not "force" his way onto a ticket. He does not want to be vice president. No way. No how. Newt is too much about Newt.
And, the force issue aside, clearly neither Romney OR Santorum would want him on the ticket. Also because Newt is too much about Newt.
If this were to actually happen, I would be flabbergasted. But it won't
Why do these rumors always seem to start with "anonymous" senior advisors?
(If I have missed anything the candidates or their campaigns have officially said, I apologize.)
EDIT: If 2008 showed us anything, it's that this simply can't work with rivals who have fought through a bloody primary. I think a LOT of people wanted Obama to pick Hillary, but how in God's name could he have after they went hammer and tongs at each other for months?
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Mar 14, 2012 12:40:16 GMT -5
Then, what is Newt in for right now? He has won exactly two states (GA included), and as with Santorum, outright victory is almost a mathematical impossibility. So if his motives are only to be #1, why not get out last night? Today? Tomorrow? What changes in one week or two weeks from the posture we have today? He is still not winning, won't win, and can't win.
Chuck Todd - not a liberal by any stretch - summed up the race perfectly last night: "In Sept '11, we said we didn't know how Romney gets the nomination and we don't know how he's denied it. Nothing has changed."
I think most of the campaigns understand this and so long as it remains the case with no clear path to victory, they will try to deny Romney the threshold.
EDIT: From a pure political and bureaucratic point of view, I cannot agree more with you, Boz. Gingrich and Santorum trying to play kingmaker would be an epic disaster if they can deny Romney the threshold and force their way on to the ticket by throwing delegates over. Neither man is particularly qualified for national office, and the dynamics with Romney after this campaign would be disastrous. But, this is also how things can work in a brokered convention.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 14, 2012 12:51:59 GMT -5
Then, what is Newt in for right now? He has won exactly two states (GA included), and as with Santorum, outright victory is almost a mathematical impossibility. So if his motives are only to be #1, why not get out last night? Today? Tomorrow? What changes in one week or two weeks from the posture we have today? He is still not winning, won't win, and can't win. Chuck Todd - not a liberal by any stretch - summed up the race perfectly last night: "In Sept '11, we said we didn't know how Romney gets the nomination and we don't know how he's denied it. Nothing has changed." I think most of the campaigns understand this and so long as it remains the case with no clear path to victory, they will try to deny Romney the threshold. EDIT: From a pure political and bureaucratic point of view, I cannot agree more with you, Boz. Gingrich and Santorum trying to play kingmaker would be an epic disaster if they can deny Romney the threshold and force their way on to the ticket by throwing delegates over. Neither man is particularly qualified for national office, and the dynamics with Romney after this campaign would be disastrous. But, this is also how things can work in a brokered convention. Chuck Todd actually is a liberal (not that there's anything wrong with that). Gingrich is in it because he's having fun, getting publicity, flies around the country for free, and gets to push his wife's movie.
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Post by TC on Mar 14, 2012 12:53:45 GMT -5
Count me in the camp that this will all end up having to do with campaign debt, and a lot of public grandstanding and tough talk that ends up as a way to get Romney to help pay for whatever bills Newt racks up in the next few months.
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Post by Boz on Mar 14, 2012 12:59:01 GMT -5
You are thinking about this like politicians are normal, rational people.
This, I believe, is your first mistake.
It was right about this time in 2008 when most sane people concluded that Hillary Clinton was virtually mathematically eliminated from getting the nomination. She didn't drop out of the race until June.
(I grant it's not a perfect analogy since she was much stronger than Gingrich at this point, but it's still a viable analogy, given that was a two-person race and this is a three-person race).
Why is Newt staying in the race? Because people are paying attention to him. Because his supporters (and I'm sad to say I'm no longer among their number, though I do still believe he's a brilliant man...almost as much as he does) are adoring him. Most importantly, because money is still flowing in. Hell, he may even still believe he can win, by some Klingon mathematical formula. As this campaign has shown, the man's ego knows no bounds.
Newt is still in the campaign because he still believes he has something to say. And because a lot of people are still listening.
For a politician, there need be no more reason than that.
I do remember that Chuck Todd line. That guy is pretty sharp. I like to listen to him. I just usually can't stand listening to the people that surround him (that means you too, Scarborough) But I disagree that "nothing has changed." I think it was a pretty good night for Romney. He basically fought to a dead heat in territories clearly favorable to his rivals. In fact, I think he increased his delegate lead, did he not?
Third place doesn't look good in headlines, but for all the "morons" who some have said are running Romney's campaign, they've always had their eyes on the end game, whereas other candidates have counted on boosts needed from momentum wins, some of which they have gotten, some of which they haven't.
(Of course, having as much money as Romney does helps to maintain the long view).
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Post by kchoya on Mar 14, 2012 13:14:13 GMT -5
Third place doesn't look good in headlines, but for all the "morons" who some have said are running Romney's campaign, they've always had their eyes on the end game, whereas other candidates have counted on boosts needed from momentum wins, some of which they have gotten, some of which they haven't. Exactly. They realize that even on a "bad" night, like last night, Romney still won more delegates than anyone else.
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