hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Feb 29, 2012 9:44:44 GMT -5
Next Tuesday Republicans in Michigan will have an opportunity to virtually assure Obama of a second term. Let every single one of them who votes to nominate a man - a man whose ideas on birth control and sex are not at all different from Osama bin Laden's- let them all know what they are responsible when they pull the lever for Rick Santorum should he win. Well, thankfully this didn't happen. The fact that Santorum was even this close is troubling to me and a sign that the party has moved too far right for me but at least it isn't official.
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Post by Boz on Feb 29, 2012 10:04:09 GMT -5
Next Tuesday Republicans in Michigan will have an opportunity to virtually assure Obama of a second term. Let every single one of them who votes to nominate a man - a man whose ideas on birth control and sex are not at all different from Osama bin Laden's- let them all know what they are responsible when they pull the lever for Rick Santorum should he win. Well, thankfully this didn't happen. The fact that Santorum was even this close is troubling to me and a sign that the party has moved too far right for me but at least it isn't official. Probably wouldn't have been quite that close if all those racist, woman-hating, homophobic neanderthal Democrat (Democratic? I can't remember which is the right one) voters in Michigan weren't so darn in love with Rick Santorum... abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/democrats-shake-up-michigan-primary-exit-polls-show/ ;D Hey, all's fair in politics.
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Post by TC on Feb 29, 2012 10:46:56 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Feb 29, 2012 11:37:05 GMT -5
Me neither.
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Post by rosslynhoya on Feb 29, 2012 13:08:26 GMT -5
I don't see why private organizations can't fund their own nominating processes either. The fact that (what remains of) the taxpaying public in Michigan foots the bill for these games
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 29, 2012 14:03:25 GMT -5
Who won Michigan? Romney won the popular vote but did Santorum win or tie for delegates? Maybe Al Gore can comment on this.
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Post by bmartin on Feb 29, 2012 15:21:50 GMT -5
In Michigan, the GOP primary is winner-take-all in each congressional district (the new 2012 districts with Michigan losing a seat from 15 to 14.) There are two delegates per district and it looks like they may have each won 7 districts, though one or two are close enough that the result could change if more votes magically appear from somewhere. There also are two at-large delegates that are proportional, so each will get one of those. So it looks like 15-15 on Michigan delegates. Michigan results by congressional district: www.migopprimary.com/map.aspArizona, however is winner take all on the statewide vote, so Romney got all 29 delegates. The Republicans have quitre a few winner-take-all primaries primarily so they won't have a drawn out process. They want to crush any minority factions within the party. The Democratic Party process awards delegates proportionally in every congressional district and statewide, so the 2nd place candidate can always get some delegates without winning the state.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 29, 2012 15:44:08 GMT -5
I don't see why private organizations can't fund their own nominating processes either. The fact that (what remains of) the taxpaying public in Michigan foots the bill for these games I would think there would be legal questions as to whether these are "private" organizations, as well as consitutional issues regarding public elections.
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bmartin
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Post by bmartin on Feb 29, 2012 16:10:57 GMT -5
Private interests disguised as party bosses did pick nominees for much of U.S. history. Primary elections are a rather recent radical experiment.
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Post by TC on Feb 29, 2012 16:48:47 GMT -5
Private interests disguised as party bosses did pick nominees for much of U.S. history. Primary elections are a rather recent radical experiment. Cough cough Romney cough cough Iowa
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 29, 2012 19:20:28 GMT -5
Who won Michigan? Romney won the popular vote but did Santorum win or tie for delegates? Maybe Al Gore can comment on this. Santorum's campaign has been abysmal in winning the PR war over the last week. They got boxed in by the Michigan as Romney's Waterloo narrative, and Santorum failed to deliver anything in the last debate. And, they now have no backup plan to claim victory when the delegate math is at least neutral for them. The campaign manager would do well to place a call to David Plouffe right now.
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Post by Boz on Feb 29, 2012 19:33:40 GMT -5
The campaign manager would do well to place a call to David Plouffe right now. Or skip the middle man and go right to Karl Rove. ;D
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Feb 29, 2012 19:42:22 GMT -5
The campaign manager would do well to place a call to David Plouffe right now. Or skip the middle man and go right to Karl Rove. ;D He knows how to pick his presidents. That's for sure.
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 1, 2012 10:32:33 GMT -5
Santorum got half of the delegates in the state where Romney was born and where his father was governor. I don't see how this is anything but a victory for Santorum. We'll see if he can do even better (or worse) on Super Tuesday.
I am greatly disappointed that none of the Republican candidates nor President Obama are proposing anything to reduce our debt which, in a very few years, will cause our economy to collapse. Ron Paul is the most vocal on this but even he has not proposed an overall plan for solving this crisis.
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Post by TC on Mar 1, 2012 13:39:34 GMT -5
Santorum got half of the delegates in the state where Romney was born and where his father was governor. I don't see how this is anything but a victory for Santorum. Some of us believe in the dictionary definition of "winning" as opposed to the Charlie Sheen definition.
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Post by Boz on Mar 1, 2012 13:41:08 GMT -5
Santorum got half of the delegates in the state where Romney was born and where his father was governor. I don't see how this is anything but a victory for Santorum. Some of us believe in the dictionary definition of "winning" as opposed to the Charlie Sheen definition. Nice one. ;D
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Post by Buckets on Mar 1, 2012 13:57:56 GMT -5
Rick "No Right to Privacy" Santorum with an ad ( link) channeling 1984. Bravo.
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Post by kchoya on Mar 1, 2012 14:43:27 GMT -5
Santorum got half of the delegates in the state where Romney was born and where his father was governor. I don't see how this is anything but a victory for Santorum. Some of us believe in the dictionary definition of "winning" as opposed to the Charlie Sheen definition. Do you think Ed drinks tiger blood?
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TC
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Post by TC on Mar 1, 2012 14:53:40 GMT -5
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Post by Boz on Mar 1, 2012 15:20:06 GMT -5
Well, this may just be the utter and complete cynicism talking, but I imagine there are certain organizations who are totally vested in nothing more -- not a single thing more -- than making sure this race lasts as long as possible. Whether it is a race or not. And I do not believe those organizations are doing so out of any political principle or affiliation. I believe many of us are fairly familiar with these organizations. They often go by three (or five) letters.
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