TC
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Post by TC on Feb 21, 2012 13:20:32 GMT -5
Probable sign the economy is getting better : social values candidate beating the crap out of business-experience economy-focused candidate.
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Post by Guest on Feb 21, 2012 13:58:53 GMT -5
I think it is also a sign of weakness in Romney and his campaign. Not even Kim Jong Il waxed poetically about places where the trees were all the same height.
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Post by EasyEd on Feb 21, 2012 14:05:16 GMT -5
Probable sign the economy is getting better : social values candidate beating the crap out of business-experience economy-focused candidate. Since President Obama has continually blamed President Bush for the economy, do you think he will credit Bush if the economy improves? |
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Post by bmartin on Feb 21, 2012 14:10:30 GMT -5
As primary turnouts drop, GOP enthusiasm is questioned articles.philly.com/2012-02-20/news/31079881_1_turnout-voter-surge-gop-enthusiasmThis is the big difference from the drawn out Democratic nomination four years ago. Obama and Hillary were breaking turnout records throughout the primaries and turning out many more young voters, minority voters, and women who are usually disengaged from the process. Those voters provided the margin in several swing states in the general election. The question for Obama is whether all those new voters from 2008 are disillusioned and may not vote this November. The Republican contests so far have actively discouraged any new voters who are not already 100% true believers from participating in the process. |
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Post by quickplay on Feb 21, 2012 14:48:00 GMT -5
Probable sign the economy is getting better : social values candidate beating the crap out of business-experience economy-focused candidate. Since President Obama has continually blamed President Bush for the economy, do you think he will credit Bush if the economy improves? This is such a purposely obtuse statement. If someone breaks something, they don't get credit for someone else fixing it. Whatever you believe Obama has done correctly or incorrectly to improve things, he DID inherit a massive economic meltdown. |
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Post by Boz on Feb 21, 2012 14:48:24 GMT -5
I think it is also a sign of weakness in Romney and his campaign. Not even Kim Jong Il waxed poetically about places where the trees were all the same height. Godwin's law, version 2.0. |
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Post by strummer85 on Feb 21, 2012 17:05:22 GMT -5
Probable sign the economy is getting better : social values candidate beating the crap out of business-experience economy-focused candidate. Since President Obama has continually blamed President Bush for the economy, do you think he will credit Bush if the economy improves? Well, the economy was bad coming out of Bush's presidency, and it is improving coming out of Obama's first term, so...no, he probably won't. Because it wouldn't make any sense. I think it mostly has to do with the passage of time—something I would think you'd know a lot about.  |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Feb 22, 2012 7:09:16 GMT -5
Since President Obama has continually blamed President Bush for the economy, do you think he will credit Bush if the economy improves? Why would he do that? |
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Post by kchoya on Feb 22, 2012 10:15:43 GMT -5
Since President Obama has continually blamed President Bush for the economy, do you think he will credit Bush if the economy improves? Why would he do that? I think Ed needs to worry less about Barry crediting Bush, and worry more about how Obama is going to tax him more: on.wsj.com/A7OxEYMr. Obama is proposing to raise the dividend tax rate to the higher personal income tax rate of 39.6% that will kick in next year. Add in the planned phase-out of deductions and exemptions, and the rate hits 41%. Then add the 3.8% investment tax surcharge in ObamaCare, and the new dividend tax rate in 2013 would be 44.8%—nearly three times today's 15% rate. Keep in mind that dividends are paid to shareholders only after the corporation pays taxes on its profits. So assuming a maximum 35% corporate tax rate and a 44.8% dividend tax, the total tax on corporate earnings passed through as dividends would be 64.1%. [...] Who would get hurt? IRS data show that retirees and near-retirees who depend on dividend income would be hit especially hard. Almost three of four dividend payments go to those over the age of 55, and more than half go to those older than 65, according to IRS data. |
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Post by kchoya on Feb 22, 2012 10:21:05 GMT -5
I'm confused, do we want lower unemployment or higher unemployment?
"Even though we had a terrible economic crisis three years ago, throughout our country many people were suffering before the last three years, particularly in the black community," [Valerie] Jarrett said. "And so we need to make sure that we continue to support that important safety net. It not only is good for the family, but it's good for the economy. People who receive that unemployment check go out and spend it and help stimulate the economy, so that's healthy as well."
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Post by TC on Feb 22, 2012 10:30:59 GMT -5
Who would get hurt? IRS data show that retirees and near-retirees who depend on dividend income would be hit especially hard. Almost three of four dividend payments go to those over the age of 55, and more than half go to those older than 65, according to IRS data. Right, but it also is means-tested to households earning $250,000 a year, which the article mentions, argues against, and then tries to ignore when it makes the poor, poor grandma argument. This article makes an interesting prediction which would lead to really nice 2012 yields and probable giant drops after the ex-dividend date : "Facing higher dividend taxes, businesses may accelerate 2013 dividend payments into 2012 to dodge tax hikes, he said." news.yahoo.com/obama-seeks-big-hike-dividend-taxes-wealthy-164024699.html |
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Post by thebin on Feb 22, 2012 11:14:40 GMT -5
It is difficult for me to comprehend how many stupid people there are out there that either don't know or don't care that supporting that retrograde mid-evil chimp Rick Santorum is as good as a vote for Obama in the general election. I've never voted for a Democrat. If Santorum is the nominee I will actually consider campaigning for Obama. His nomination would tell millions of moderate Republicans such as myself that the GOP is no longer their party for good and what is fast becoming a fringe party now will become a smaller fringe party, maybe forever. Santorum is the temper-tantrum, cut-your-nose-off-to-spite-your-face candidate.
I'm glad William F Buckley isn't alive to see this.
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Post by Filo on Feb 22, 2012 11:22:59 GMT -5
It is difficult for me to comprehend how many stupid people there are out there that either don't know or don't care that supporting that retrograde mid evil chimp Rick Santorum is as good as a vote for OBama in the general election. I've never voted for a Democrat. If Santorum is the nominee I will actually campaign for Obama. His nomination would tell millions of moderate Republicans such as myself that the GOP is no longer their party for good. I endorse this message. |
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Post by quickplay on Feb 22, 2012 11:28:10 GMT -5
It is difficult for me to comprehend how many stupid people there are out there that either don't know or don't care that supporting that retrograde mid evil chimp Rick Santorum is as good as a vote for OBama in the general election. I've never voted for a Democrat. If Santorum is the nominee I will actually campaign for Obama. His nomination would tell millions of moderate Republicans such as myself that the GOP is no longer their party for good. I endorse this message. I'm a young independent who feels pushed to the Democrats because of how extreme Republicans are. I feel pretty 'meh' about Obama; I actually was looking forward to a Huntsman vote. Throw in Santorum and my decision now becomes easy again. And so the cycle continues, Republicans become more extreme, leaving a lot of people with no choice but them or the less-than-exciting Democrats, who themselves then have no reason to improve. |
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Post by kchoya on Feb 22, 2012 11:28:55 GMT -5
Who would get hurt? IRS data show that retirees and near-retirees who depend on dividend income would be hit especially hard. Almost three of four dividend payments go to those over the age of 55, and more than half go to those older than 65, according to IRS data. Right, but it also is means-tested to households earning $250,000 a year, which the article mentions, argues against, and then tries to ignore when it makes the poor, poor grandma argument. This article makes an interesting prediction which would lead to really nice 2012 yields and probable giant drops after the ex-dividend date : "Facing higher dividend taxes, businesses may accelerate 2013 dividend payments into 2012 to dodge tax hikes, he said." news.yahoo.com/obama-seeks-big-hike-dividend-taxes-wealthy-164024699.htmlWait, you mean that Obama's proposal may force businesses to increase dividend payments before the election, with tax hikes to hit after the election? As to the AARP folks, I understand that most fall below the $200K/$250K threshold, but if businesses change their dividend payouts, that will affect people at all income levels, correct? |
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Post by Elvado on Feb 22, 2012 11:45:31 GMT -5
Unemployment to tick back above 9% per Gallup. Let's see if the network cheerleaders give this much play. With any sort of objectivity in media, a President presiding over 9% unemployment and soon to be $4.00/gallon gas prices would be a dead incumbent walking.
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Post by kchoya on Feb 22, 2012 11:47:03 GMT -5
Unemployment to tick back above 9% per Gallup. Let's see if the network cheerleaders give this much play. With any sort of objectivity in media, a President presiding over 9% unemployment and soon to be $4.00/gallon gas prices would be a dead incumbent walking. Gas prices are Bush's fault. They were high when Obama came into office, and he's done everything he can to get them to go down. It's not his fault. |
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Post by thebin on Feb 22, 2012 12:19:48 GMT -5
Next Tuesday Republicans in Michigan will have an opportunity to virtually assure Obama of a second term. Let every single one of them who votes to nominate a man - a man whose ideas on birth control and sex are not at all different from Osama bin Laden's- let them all know what they are responsible when they pull the lever for Rick Santorum should he win.
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Post by Elvado on Feb 22, 2012 12:28:31 GMT -5
The only hope I currently see for a GOP win in November is that none of the three current candidates gets to a first ballot win and a grown-up centrist candidate emerges out of a brokered convention. The prospects are truly that bleak. Romney excites no one; Santorum scars the hell out of almost everyone; and Newt is just a sh*t disturber.
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Post by thebin on Feb 22, 2012 12:32:46 GMT -5
I'm a young independent who feels pushed to the Democrats because of how extreme Republicans are. I feel pretty 'meh' about Obama; I actually was looking forward to a Huntsman vote. Throw in Santorum and my decision now becomes easy again. And so the cycle continues, Republicans become more extreme, leaving a lot of people with no choice but them or the less-than-exciting Democrats, who themselves then have no reason to improve. To be frank, people who support Santorum don't give a lick about young independents such as yourself. To them, you are the enemy too. (They have a lot of enemies to keep track of...) What ought to keep them up at night though is the continued mass exodus that I see every day. People like me- thirty somethings who grew up actively Republican (I campaigned for Dole at the San Diego convention) and with Republican family on both sides- who cannot stomach views on social policy are considerably to the right of almost anybody under the age of 70 with college degree. Go ahead and call that elitist. On a elite, east-coast college forum. |
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