vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Oct 21, 2008 13:07:22 GMT -5
Just lost my vote. You bake with "soda." You drink pop. Mine too. I'm not going to vote for someone from Wisconsin who's flip flopped on the pop/soda issue because he was too worried about elite east coast elites making fun of him for using the word pop. Only Elite East Coast Elites care if people use pop or soda. No need to legislate this. Well, that and you like the White Sox. That's been sticking point for me for awhile. That is Swift Boat esque slander. I was never for Pop before I was against it, I have always been a soldier in the fight against the use of the 3 letter word. Its use has mired the Midwest in economic decay and cultural backwardness. I can only dream of the day when Pop is only used by inbred hillbillys and racist old people, but thankfully that is 80% of the current demographic of Pop users so the end is in sight!
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Oct 21, 2008 13:11:01 GMT -5
95% of all hot dog consumers will receive a cut in their allotment of mustard and ketchup while those earning over $250,000 will have all of their mustard and ketchup taken away and the condiments used to spread the wealth.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Oct 21, 2008 13:13:56 GMT -5
"Ketchup takes away the taste. You can’t do it. It’s like being a communist. Mustard, relish, onions, tomatoes, pickles, peppers, (that’s what we call dynamite sticks) and celery salt." - Mike North, true american patriot.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Oct 21, 2008 13:15:43 GMT -5
95% of all hot dog consumers will receive a cut in their allotment of mustard and ketchup while those earning over $250,000 will have all of their mustard and ketchup taken away and the condiments used to spread the wealth. No ketchup at all. It's the devils music. I won't stand for it, unless you are putting it on a burger and/or fries. Then it is passably acceptable.
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tlphoya
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Post by tlphoya on Oct 21, 2008 13:23:06 GMT -5
Upon my acceptance to the elite east coast elite (frankly I'm excited to be considered elite in anything), I consciously made myself stop using the word 'pop', as well as calling Washington - Worshington. The wash/worsh thing I still just don't get.
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hifigator
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Post by hifigator on Oct 21, 2008 13:29:53 GMT -5
95% of all hot dog consumers will receive a cut in their allotment of mustard and ketchup while those earning over $250,000 will have all of their mustard and ketchup taken away and the condiments used to spread the wealth. No ketchup at all. It's the devils music. I won't stand for it, unless you are putting it on a burger and/or fries. Then it is passably acceptable. I'm not going to get in the middle of your little Editeding contest concerning hotdogs. But what I Have noticed most concerning ketchup, is how many of you damn yankees feel the need to have ketchup on eggs.
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Oct 21, 2008 13:30:40 GMT -5
I will come out and say it: I am a ketchup-user. It is a matter of some shame, as I know it puts me in a minority, but I am tired of living in fear of the tyrannical mustard-only majority. My right to enjoy ketchup on my hot dog does nothing to mock the sanctity of your hot dog eating experience. To force me to use mustard, relish, or other non tomato-based condiments on my meat products is just as disgusting to me as the thought of slathering a ballpark frank in Heinz 57 is to you. How dare you threaten to tarnish the holy union of mustard and dog, with your thuroughly vulgar and, quite frankly, unchristian manner of eating. You know I'm generally a tolerant person, but it just gets my goat that Jack would flaunt his lifestyle choice like this. It's a disgrace. I mean, if he wants to live like that in the privacy of his own home, I'm fine with that, but it's not something that our children should be exposed to. Think of the children! Remember, Jesus told us a parable about a mustard seed. I recall no mention of ketchup or catsup in the Good Book. May God have mercy on your heathen souls. We are tired of being treated like second class citizens and being forced to enjoy our ketchup, the most American of condiments (ever tried ketchup in Europe?), in the closet. We are here, we smear (our hot dogs with ketchup), get used to it.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Oct 21, 2008 14:03:07 GMT -5
Do not consider this a response to Jack, but a completely unrelated opinion by someone not involved in the VCJack-Cambridge campaign. However, it is intriguing and should be tought in our public schools. www.satansrapture.com/tomato.htm
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Bando
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Post by Bando on Oct 21, 2008 14:20:28 GMT -5
Fellow HoyaTalk members: I urge you today to join me in a new political venture, the Ben Ali Party. Our platform is as follows:
1. There is only one proper set of condiments for a hot dog: a pile of chili and cheese.
2. Furthermore, we deserve a new national meat in a bun: the half-smoke.
3. VCJackism does not go far enough! Under an Alinite administration, the population of Syracuse, NY will be forcibly moved to other parts of New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. The city itself will then be "beautified" by the addition of a small thermonuclear device. Finally, the area's prodigious salt mines will be emptied so that salt may be spread over the ground where Syracuse once stood.
Join me, my friends, and together we can create a new delicious America!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 21, 2008 14:24:19 GMT -5
Ketchup is the best condiment their is, with the possible exception of ranch dressing. You backwards mustard lovers can all go to hell. ketchup tastes great on everything Especially hot dogs and yes hifi eggs too.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 21, 2008 14:31:18 GMT -5
Fellow HoyaTalk members: I urge you today to join me in a new political venture, the Ben Ali Party. Our platform is as follows: 1. There is only one proper set of condiments for a hot dog: a pile of chili and cheese. 2. Furthermore, we deserve a new national meat in a bun: the half-smoke. 3. VCJackism does not go far enough! Under an Alinite administration, the population of Syracuse, NY will be forcibly moved to other parts of New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. The city itself will then be "beautified" by the addition of a small thermonuclear device. Finally, the area's prodigious salt mines will be emptied so that salt may be spread over the ground where Syracuse once stood. Join me, my friends, and together we can create a new delicious America! See, this is why we haven't been able to start a viable third party. Just when you start to come to an agreement on a platform, the radicals come charging in with their "chili and cheese" this and their "half smoke as national meat on a bun" that and pretty soon you have no chance of viability.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Oct 21, 2008 14:40:08 GMT -5
Fellow HoyaTalk members: I urge you today to join me in a new political venture, the Ben Ali Party. Our platform is as follows: 1. There is only one proper set of condiments for a hot dog: a pile of chili and cheese. 2. Furthermore, we deserve a new national meat in a bun: the half-smoke. 3. VCJackism does not go far enough! Under an Alinite administration, the population of Syracuse, NY will be forcibly moved to other parts of New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. The city itself will then be "beautified" by the addition of a small thermonuclear device. Finally, the area's prodigious salt mines will be emptied so that salt may be spread over the ground where Syracuse once stood. Join me, my friends, and together we can create a new delicious America! I respect your commitment to the cause, Brother Bando. While we may disagree on some particulars when it comes to the scriptures, it's clear that we have both given up our souls for the salvation that is the half smoke. May the rapture find you pure at heart and half smoke in the hand.
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vcjack
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Post by vcjack on Oct 21, 2008 14:40:26 GMT -5
Fellow HoyaTalk members: I urge you today to join me in a new political venture, the Ben Ali Party. Our platform is as follows: 1. There is only one proper set of condiments for a hot dog: a pile of chili and cheese. 2. Furthermore, we deserve a new national meat in a bun: the half-smoke. 3. VCJackism does not go far enough! Under an Alinite administration, the population of Syracuse, NY will be forcibly moved to other parts of New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio. The city itself will then be "beautified" by the addition of a small thermonuclear device. Finally, the area's prodigious salt mines will be emptied so that salt may be spread over the ground where Syracuse once stood. Join me, my friends, and together we can create a new delicious America! How dare you question our anti-Syracuse credentials! Now I like to think that I'm fairly thick skinned, but I'll be damned if I will allow a single slander of my character to exist on the internets. During my campaign, I hope that my supporters will post threads detailing every blog post and every chain email that may be construed as offending to our sensitivities!
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Boz
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Post by Boz on Oct 21, 2008 15:03:47 GMT -5
Before this gets completely out of control, I think we need to establish something.
Chili is not a condiment. Cheese is not a condiment. Truly, if I am honest (even though I brought them up before) neither relish nor sauerkraut are condiments. I can be swayed on those, but let there be no confusion about chili and cheese.
These are food items. They fundamentally alter the nature of the dog in question.
When you order a hot dog with chili, it is a chili dog. When you order a hot dog with chili and cheese, it is a chili cheese dog.
It is not a hot dog with chili and cheese. That's ludicrous.
It's like calling a cheesesteak a "steak and cheese," something that we are too often guilty of in the nation's capital, but is no less reprehensible a misnomer.
Condiments are seasonings and/or sauces. Chili and cheese are neither of these things.
OK, now having said all of that......
"The American people realize our hot dog choices represent a turning point. It's the decision to follow one path or the other. We, the people, the citizens of the United States, get to decide our condiments, not Teresa Heinz Kerry, not Iron Chef America celebrities, not anyone else but the people of America.
To those Americans who still feel torn about their condiments, I'd like to suggest one way to think about this to help make a choice. Think about it this way. You're using a condiment to do a job, an important job, a job that relates to the taste and flavor of your hot dog.
They're both good and worthy condiments with very different flavor experiences that have led them to this moment as the most popular condiments in America. You've got to make this decision, and you've got to make it right. And you have to decide, which am I going to slather?
On the one hand, you've got a condiment that’s dedicated its existence to the service of hot dogs. It has been tested time and time again by street vendors. It has passed every test. Even its opponents acknowledge, ketchup lovers, relish enthusiasts, everyone acknowledges that mustard is a true American condiment.
Mustard loves hot dogs, as we all do, but mustard has devoted itself to the hot dog as few do. That's the one choice. That's the one condiment.
On the other hand, you have a resume from a gifted condiment with a fancy pedigree. It has worked on the French fry. What? OK, OK, maybe that’s the first problem. It has worked on the French fry, immersed itself in the flavor enhancement of potatoes. [raucous laughter and applause]
Then it was used for barbecue and other sauces and it got accepted. And in nearly 130 barbecue recipes, it does not stand forth and be noticed. It is just “present.”
I don’t like condiments that are just “present” on my food. Condiments don’t get to be “present.” It doesn’t work in sausage of any kind. And for the President of all American sausage-like food, the hot dog, it is not good enough to be “present.”
Ketchup spends most of its time as a celebrity condiment. Its rise to prominence is remarkable in its own right. But it has never – NEVER been a condiment that is celebrated for its substance, for the depth of flavor it adds to a hot dog.
This is not a personal attack, it is a statement of fact. Ketchup has never enhanced any hot dog, nothing, nada.
The choice comes down to substance over style. Mustard has been tested. Ketchup has not. Good hot dogs require good condiments, and this is no time for ketchup. "
[EDIT: I like to call this "Things to do to get you through an afternoon conference call."]
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Post by strummer8526 on Oct 21, 2008 15:08:39 GMT -5
My friends, my friends! VCJack and even ketchup-loving Jack are good men. They are not threats. My friends, you do not need to be afraid of a ketchup-filled Jack administration. Sure, they may pal around with tomato growers and Heinz executives, but that does not detract from their more important and overarching love of condiments.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Oct 21, 2008 15:42:11 GMT -5
Before this gets completely out of control, I think we need to establish something. Chili is not a condiment. Cheese is not a condiment. Truly, if I am honest (even though I brought them up before) neither relish nor sauerkraut are condiments. I can be swayed on those, but let there be no confusion about chili and cheese. These are food items. They fundamentally alter the nature of the dog in question. When you order a hot dog with chili, it is a chili dog. When you order a hot dog with chili and cheese, it is a chili cheese dog. It is not a hot dog with chili and cheese. That's ludicrous. It's like calling a cheesesteak a "steak and cheese," something that we are too often guilty of in the nation's capital, but is no less reprehensible a misnomer. Condiments are seasonings and/or sauces. Chili and cheese are neither of these things. OK, now having said all of that...... "The American people realize our hot dog choices represent a turning point. It's the decision to follow one path or the other. We, the people, the citizens of the United States, get to decide our condiments, not Teresa Heinz Kerry, not Iron Chef America celebrities, not anyone else but the people of America. To those Americans who still feel torn about their condiments, I'd like to suggest one way to think about this to help make a choice. Think about it this way. You're using a condiment to do a job, an important job, a job that relates to the taste and flavor of your hot dog. They're both good and worthy condiments with very different flavor experiences that have led them to this moment as the most popular condiments in America. You've got to make this decision, and you've got to make it right. And you have to decide, which am I going to slather? On the one hand, you've got a condiment that’s dedicated its existence to the service of hot dogs. It has been tested time and time again by street vendors. It has passed every test. Even its opponents acknowledge, ketchup lovers, relish enthusiasts, everyone acknowledges that mustard is a true American condiment. Mustard loves hot dogs, as we all do, but mustard has devoted itself to the hot dog as few do. That's the one choice. That's the one condiment. On the other hand, you have a resume from a gifted condiment with a fancy pedigree. It has worked on the French fry. What? OK, OK, maybe that’s the first problem. It has worked on the French fry, immersed itself in the flavor enhancement of potatoes. [raucous laughter and applause] Then it was used for barbecue and other sauces and it got accepted. And in nearly 130 barbecue recipes, it does not stand forth and be noticed. It is just “present.” I don’t like condiments that are just “present” on my food. Condiments don’t get to be “present.” It doesn’t work in sausage of any kind. And for the President of all American sausage-like food, the hot dog, it is not good enough to be “present.” Ketchup spends most of its time as a celebrity condiment. Its rise to prominence is remarkable in its own right. But it has never – NEVER been a condiment that is celebrated for its substance, for the depth of flavor it adds to a hot dog. This is not a personal attack, it is a statement of fact. Ketchup has never enhanced any hot dog, nothing, nada. The choice comes down to substance over style. Mustard has been tested. Ketchup has not. Good hot dogs require good condiments, and this is no time for ketchup. " [EDIT: I like to call this "Things to do to get you through an afternoon conference call."] [STANDING OVATION] Three cheers for Secretary of State Boz...hip hip huzzah! hip hip huzzah! hip hip huzzah!
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hifigator
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Post by hifigator on Oct 21, 2008 16:27:12 GMT -5
As long as we are getting down to the nitty-gritty, let me add my words of wisdom. I don't think you can use such simple descriptions of something as complex as mustard. At the very least, there are 2 drastically different mustards -- each one, no less a mustard than the other -- and most of us would probably recognize even more than the two. First we have standard old yellow mustard. French's, another name brand or generic doesn't really matter. Brown mustard is entirely different. Whether you are a "Grey Poupon" guy or a "Goulden's" type of person, doesn't really matter a great deal. While we each likely have our preferences, suffice it to say that the real distinction comes not between the two, but rather from either of the two with the afforementioned yellow mustards. That being said, I would just as soon spill half of my beer as be forced to have yellow mustard. I can honestly say that I could go the rest of my life without missing yellow mustard. But spicy brown mustard is an entirely different element. What exactly is a Brat without spicy brown mustard? It's a sin; that's what it is. Having said that, I will admit to what many others consider an equal sin: putting ketchup on my brats as well. So I guess I come in somewhere in the middle here. I see no reason that ketchup and spicy brown mustard can't coexist on hotdogs and yes, even on brats. Secondly, SinceBirth, I am from the south. Therefore, ketchup doesn't go on eggs. It's really that simple. Yankees are in virtually universal opposition to that position. I don't really see that as a "personal opinion" type of thing as much as it is a matter of fact, based on where you are. When I travel to the north, I understand that ketchup goes on eggs. All I ask is when you stinking yankees come down here, speak our language as well. In a sense, maybe it is kind of like taking off your shoes at the front door of a Japanese family's house. It's just "what you do."
Lastly, I don't exactly know what this "half-smoke" is, but as someone who has been known to enjoy certain things which are smoked, what do you do with the other half? I might be interested.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Oct 21, 2008 16:44:36 GMT -5
There are many non-traditional condiments becoming increasingly important in the American socio-political food economy today. Take salsa. Is salsa a food or a condiment? How about hummus? Bleu-cheese dressing? And how would they be received on a hot dog or half smoke in a VCJack or Alinate administration?
Ok, now I really have to go get some Ben's Chilli Bowl.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Oct 21, 2008 16:49:08 GMT -5
Salsa is the highest selling condiment in the U.S. Future administrations need to acknowledge the growing diversity of condiments Americans want.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Oct 21, 2008 17:18:15 GMT -5
mustard is gross sorry it's just gross. Hifi this is exactly your problem. you lack tolerance for other view points. no one's forcing you to put ketchup on your eggs, but i should have the freedom to put ketchup on my scrambled eggs whether i'm in an IHOP outside of Boston or in a Waffle house outside of atlanta.
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