Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Jan 22, 2012 12:13:23 GMT -5
All fine points. Let's see how partisan he is on Tuesday.
As to the suggestion that I am simply a troll, I refuse to engage in ad hominem attacks.
Suffice to say, I post what I believe and do find amusement in how bent some folks get. But I don't name call.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 22, 2012 12:47:17 GMT -5
Along with all my fellow stupid, racist, uneducated, redneck, right-wing nuts, I cast my vote today in the South Carolina primary as a first step to returning sanity to our country. Didn't get the chance to count how many dead people were voting. Ed, I assume you did not vote for the winner of the primary, as previously advertised. You are correct, sir.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 22, 2012 12:56:21 GMT -5
Honest question: What does the anti-Obama crowd here think that one of the Republican nominees will do 2013-2017 that is better than what Obama is doing? 9. Abolish the Environmental Protection Agency and replace it with a new agency with greatly reduced authority. As a start. I absolutely mean the EPA, as currently configured, should be abolished. EPA, OSHA, and other similar agencies, were established and then fulfilled almost all of their initial objectives, then decided, sometimes with acquisence of Congress and sometimes not, to expand their roles such that now they are an unnecessary drag on the economy. They also have put the United States in a decided disadvantage in the world marketplace. EPA and OSHA are the primary examples of regulations gone wild and that does not mean I'm for dirty water or unsafe working conditions. It merely means enough already. Say you don't mean #9, Ed.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Jan 22, 2012 13:39:33 GMT -5
Does Newt have enough money to compete in FL?
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Post by kchoya on Jan 22, 2012 14:06:46 GMT -5
Does Newt have enough money to compete in FL? Why wouldn't he?
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Post by HoyaNyr320 on Jan 22, 2012 14:29:49 GMT -5
Just wanted to take a pause from the political back and forth to recognize a politician that is not running for office, but is stepping down this week ( ) - Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. Her recovery has been inspiring and every time I see her on video like this I get choked up. Selfishly, I was hoping she would stay in Congress and run for another term because I felt like she had the best shot to keep the seat in Democratic hands. However, I can step back enough from the politics to realize that this was the best decision for her and her district. All the best to Congresswoman Giffords on her recovery. I know she will continue to inspire me and others along the way.
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Post by MassHoya on Jan 22, 2012 19:13:06 GMT -5
Just wanted to take a pause from the political back and forth to recognize a politician that is not running for office, but is stepping down this week ( ) - Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. Her recovery has been inspiring and every time I see her on video like this I get choked up. Selfishly, I was hoping she would stay in Congress and run for another term because I felt like she had the best shot to keep the seat in Democratic hands. However, I can step back enough from the politics to realize that this was the best decision for her and her district. All the best to Congresswoman Giffords on her recovery. I know she will continue to inspire me and others along the way. +1
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Post by Boz on Jan 24, 2012 22:43:45 GMT -5
MITCH DANIELS MUST GET IN THE RACE NOW!!!!!
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Post by Elvado on Jan 25, 2012 6:03:18 GMT -5
Listened to the President's speech and was pleasantly surprised at its tone. Less overtly partisan than I feared and he sounded damn near Presidential.
That said, does anyone else get the irony in him talking about fairness within weeks of a decision that will make his pal (and fair minded billionaire) Warren Buffet boatloads of money?
I also found myself waiting for the moment when just one of our nation's myriad problems wouldn't be solved via the federal government.
That said, I came away less disgusted than usual with him.
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Post by theexorcist on Jan 25, 2012 10:57:43 GMT -5
I find big issues with the president spending most of his time talking about how some people should pay more in taxes when that issue won't affect the economic recovery in the slightest.
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Post by kchoya on Jan 25, 2012 12:14:29 GMT -5
I find big issues with the president spending most of his time talking about how some people should pay more in taxes when that issue won't affect the economic recovery in the slightest. Naw, I bet if we raised the tax rates on the top 1%, that would bring in a ton of money to the Treasury.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 25, 2012 14:45:22 GMT -5
I find big issues with the president spending most of his time talking about how some people should pay more in taxes when that issue won't affect the economic recovery in the slightest. I am an Obama supporter but I dont like the tenor of this either. I agree that people should pay their fair share of taxes, but who cares? That's just pandering to people's frustration with rich people. That being said, I cant blame Obama too much because there is nothing, and I mean nothing, getting done in this Congress in 2012. His best shot is too argue for re-election. And, that is one of the ways he can do it.
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Post by Boz on Jan 25, 2012 15:07:06 GMT -5
I am getting pretty sick and tired of the phrase "fair share." If you want to make the argument that the wealthy need to contribute more in taxes, then do that. But to suggest that they are not already paying a fair share -- and then some!! -- is insane demagoguery and nothing more. And Sam Seaborn agrees with me. EDIT: And that -- or something similar -- goes for you too, Newt Gingrich. I love you, man, but you are Editeding me off. The fact the Mitt Romney is wealthy is so far away from anything you should be attacking about him, it's making me nauseous.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 25, 2012 15:12:23 GMT -5
The President on entitlement reform, 2012: "The American people know what the right choice is. So do I. As I told the Speaker this summer, I’m prepared to make more reforms that rein in the long term costs of Medicare and Medicaid, and strengthen Social Security, so long as those programs remain a guarantee of security for seniors."The President on entitlement reform, 2011 (and resulting discussion): hoyatalk2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=offtopic&action=display&thread=23493&page=3Would it have been impossible to briefly list the "more reforms" in the State of the Union speech? Is the President deferring to the GOP on what those reforms should be? Do Democrats have a plan for entitlement reform at all? Has any action been taken on this front by the administration in the past 365 days?
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 25, 2012 15:13:52 GMT -5
I am getting pretty sick and tired of the phrase "fair share." If you want to make the argument that the wealthy need to contribute more in taxes, then do that. But to suggest that they are not already paying a fair share -- and then some!! -- is insane demagoguery and nothing more. And Sam Seaborn agrees with me. EDIT: And that -- or something similar -- goes for you too, Newt Gingrich. I love you, man, but you are Editeding me off. The fact the Mitt Romney is wealthy is so far away from anything you should be attacking about him, it's making me nauseous. On a similar note, I like how Romney keeps using the phrase "fair and legal" to describe the taxes he pays, as if those two words were synonyms.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 25, 2012 15:29:13 GMT -5
I am getting pretty sick and tired of the phrase "fair share." If you want to make the argument that the wealthy need to contribute more in taxes, then do that. But to suggest that they are not already paying a fair share -- and then some!! -- is insane demagoguery and nothing more. And Sam Seaborn agrees with me. EDIT: And that -- or something similar -- goes for you too, Newt Gingrich. I love you, man, but you are Editeding me off. The fact the Mitt Romney is wealthy is so far away from anything you should be attacking about him, it's making me nauseous. Uh, no, fair share is not more, fair share is equal. That is the point. If someone making $50-75K contributes 20% of his income to taxes, then someone who makes $21M should at least pay the same. Not considerably less. That's the fairness piece. The more piece in something different. I am not saying it is the greatest argument, but it certainly resonates and makes straightforward sense.
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Post by Bando on Jan 25, 2012 16:42:02 GMT -5
I just took a look back and marveled that Boz started this thread in 2008.
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Post by Boz on Jan 25, 2012 16:53:48 GMT -5
I just took a look back and marveled that Boz started this thread in 2008. But we've become so much closer since then. I feel as though real progress is being made. ;D (EDIT: If you'll notice, I didn't even wait until Election Day to start it. It was just my way of not recognizing Obama as a legitimate president because he is a secret Muslim, sleeper cell, illegal immigrant, Marxist terrorist. ;D ;D ;D )
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Post by kchoya on Jan 25, 2012 16:57:28 GMT -5
I am getting pretty sick and tired of the phrase "fair share." If you want to make the argument that the wealthy need to contribute more in taxes, then do that. But to suggest that they are not already paying a fair share -- and then some!! -- is insane demagoguery and nothing more. And Sam Seaborn agrees with me. EDIT: And that -- or something similar -- goes for you too, Newt Gingrich. I love you, man, but you are Editeding me off. The fact the Mitt Romney is wealthy is so far away from anything you should be attacking about him, it's making me nauseous. Uh, no, fair share is not more, fair share is equal. That is the point. If someone making $50-75K contributes 20% of his income to taxes, then someone who makes $21M should at least pay the same. Not considerably less. That's the fairness piece. The more piece in something different. I am not saying it is the greatest argument, but it certainly resonates and makes straightforward sense. But Warren Buffet's secretary is subject to the same capital gains tax rate that he is, and she pays a lower tax rate on her other income. What's not fair about that?
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 25, 2012 17:09:46 GMT -5
Yeah, I am not saying that you cant see it that way, but I dont think the rhetoric is heavy handed or disingenuous. You just line up the income from X millionaire, and compare it to the income of Y not-millionaire and look at their effective tax rate. It seems unfair that I would pay a bigger percentage, thus "share," of my income to the government than someone who makes millions more. It highlights that something must be going on with income taxation at those levels that doesnt benefit income at my levels. And, that resonates to people. People will say, why are the tax breaks for capital gains? That sounds like something rich people enacted to help rich people.
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