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Post by kghoya on Sept 2, 2008 14:59:57 GMT -5
i really hope miami can put it to florida this weekend...that would be so incredible
so tired of hearing about the sec...id take the pac 10...well minus that nightmare known as the washington huskies
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Sept 2, 2008 15:23:24 GMT -5
i really hope miami can put it to florida this weekend...that would be so incredible so tired of hearing about the sec...id take the pac 10...well minus that nightmare known as the washington huskies dont see that happening. i am a huge big XII supporter but have to admit that SEC deserves the praise that it is getting. auburn, lsu, georgia, florida, alabama all look like top 10 teams to me.
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Post by kghoya on Sept 2, 2008 16:56:19 GMT -5
id holdoff on putting alabama in that class just yet...
i mean did anybody think that clemson deserved that ranking?
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Post by kghoya on Sept 2, 2008 17:43:42 GMT -5
rdf
cal poly is 11th in the 1aa poll this week
just sayin...
hell wisconsin thought so much of them they put them on their schedule...of course i wouldnt expect anything less from the badgers
they will be the first team to complain when they dont get a bcs berth
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Post by vcjack on Sept 2, 2008 18:51:38 GMT -5
rdf cal poly is 11th in the 1aa poll this week just sayin... hell wisconsin thought so much of them they put them on their schedule...of course i wouldnt expect anything less from the badgers they will be the first team to complain when they dont get a bcs berth Wisconsin put them on the schedule (at the end of the season) after the planned series with Virginia Tech was canceled. It Editeded me off to no end because I was ready to make the trip down to Blacksburg but I guess if I wanted to make an early return to Madison and get the easy tickets for that game. It wasn't one of old Barry's finest moments
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Post by kghoya on Sept 2, 2008 20:03:19 GMT -5
def a weird way to end the season but sometimes you are left to scramble after having a scheduling issue
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Post by hifigator on Sept 3, 2008 11:41:56 GMT -5
DON'T BE A FRIGGIN' INDEPENDENT! Notre Dame get everything on a friggin silver platter. They get their own contract with one of the Big 3 (now Big 4) networks and even receive special recognition in the BCS structure. Screw them and their pompous asses. RDF, I was just kidding you about T A&M, but since you brought it up ... As for Florida's schedule, from a difficulty standpoint, the negative of playing in th rugged SEC also has a positive, in that an SEC schedule paired with the annual matchup with the Noles gives us an annual path to potential greatness, that not every team has. But with the 12th game becoming permanent, I would expect Florida to tinker with home and homes with out of region teams from other BCS conferences. The problem is that we cant do that and add Miami to the schedule, unless we drop FSU some years. college football was better when there were more independents the sec just got a huge tv deal that will pay out much more than the nbc deal so relax and go turn on that retard cowherd and make sure to give us an update in a post later tonight...we are all waiting I will have to give the independent issue a bit more thought, but off the top of my head, I don't see a lot of benefit to having a bunch of independent teams. In any case, as of right now, Don't be an Independent! Notre Dame gets away with it because of their mysterious fan base of losers. As for the TV deal, you totally miss the point. The SEC getting a big TV contract is a good thing. Notre Dame having their own deal which forces one particular team down everyone's throat on an almost weekly basis is entirely different.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 3, 2008 12:36:40 GMT -5
college football was better when there were more independents What, in like 1952? ACC: Founded 1953 Big Ten: Founded 1896 Big 8: Founded 1928 SWC: Founded 1915 Big East: Founded 1991 Pac-10: Founded 1959 SEC: Founded 1933 Unless you believe Penn State and Miami-FL joining conferences significantly changed the face of CFB, you're reminiscing about a bygone era that has been gone for a hell of a long time.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 3, 2008 14:21:44 GMT -5
On a related note: what is the general opinion of the trend towards super-conferences? In the "old" days, the SEC had ten teams, as did the Big 10. Then there was the Big 8 and the Southwest conferences as well as the Pac 10 and each conference had its bowl tie-ins. The point is that with 8 or 10 team conferences, there was a lot more opportunity to play different out of region teams. Now that there are a lot of 12 team conferences -- required to have the profitable "league championship" games -- such marquee special contests are becoming obsolete. Obviously this year's game is USC-Ohio State, but neither of those leagues have a league championship game. The addition of the permanent 12th game will certainly help, but in general, are you more in favor of larger conferences with 8 plus conference games? I know when the SEC had 10 teams, there were only 6 conference games a season, and of course since the Southwest and Big 8 only had 8 teams, there were only 7 conference games. That left a lot more opportunity to play a home and home with another power. I remember in 82 and 83 we had a series with USC. That was really special.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Sept 3, 2008 14:29:13 GMT -5
In the 1960's the SEC had 12 (with Tulane and Georgia Tech), the ACC had seven in the 1970's after South Carolina left, and the SWC, Big Eight, Pac-8 and Ivy (which was I-A until 1978) were eight team leagues.
The Missouri Valley was I-A but I can't begin to guess how many teams they have had over the years.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 3, 2008 15:01:19 GMT -5
I had forgotten about the Pac-8, but now that you mention it, that does ring a bell. I know the SEC had 12 before, but that was before my time. In any case, my point is that with 8 team conferences and a 12 game schedule, you can play everyone in your conference and still have plenty of room on the schedule for an annual regional foe or 2 as well as a homecoming patsy, a mid level opponent and one major out of region opponent. The 8 or 9 game conference schedules that most have now don't allow that. And most teams have their one major out of conference foe. Florida has FSU. Clemson has South Carolina. USC has Notre Dame. Penn St has Pitt. etc... When you start with such a large conference schedule and then add the annual foe, it makes it very difficult to coordinate a home and home with other major teams.
thoughts?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 3, 2008 15:56:14 GMT -5
I'm all in favor of smaller conferences, but there's more money in the superconferences. If they hadn't created the "must have 12 to have a conference championship game" rule we probably wouldn't have had the ACC/BE turmoil of the last few years.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 3, 2008 16:30:49 GMT -5
Yeah SF, you are right, I'm afraid. It is all about the almighty dollar, and in fairness, I really do like conference Championship games in general. If you think about it, there is really only one bowl game that really matters and that is the Title game. Other than that, the bowl games are really just an opportunity to reward the team and fans with a nice trip. So in that regard, it is nice to have a game that really means something other than pride at the end of the year.
Still, it's just too bad we can't have it both ways.
Actually, I think you could. There could be 12 team conferences, splilt into 2 6 team divisions. Then have a 7 game conference schedule. You would always play your 5 divisional foes and 2 from the other division, on a rotating basis. Or in a manner similar to what the SEC has now, there could be 1 annual opponent from the other division and 1 that rotates onto the schedule for a home and home every 2 years. With 7 conference games, you could still have 2 annual non-conference foes -- for Florida it could be FSU and Miami for example. Then that still leaves 3 games. One could be the homecoming patsy, then one could be a mid level opponent and one could be a major BCS foe.
I doubt it will ever happen, but it makes for decent discussion.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 3, 2008 16:37:59 GMT -5
Easier methodology -- eight to ten team conferences, play everyone once -- top two teams play for the title.
The only conference it'd be a shape to break up would be the SEC. The rest of em could be easily split.
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Post by kghoya on Sept 3, 2008 22:21:51 GMT -5
college football was better when there were more independents What, in like 1952? ACC: Founded 1953 Big Ten: Founded 1896 Big 8: Founded 1928 SWC: Founded 1915 Big East: Founded 1991 Pac-10: Founded 1959 SEC: Founded 1933 Unless you believe Penn State and Miami-FL joining conferences significantly changed the face of CFB, you're reminiscing about a bygone era that has been gone for a hell of a long time. i think florida state really kicked it off the whole east was independent...miami, wvu, pitt, cuse, bc, nd, fsu, psu, nd, va tech, the list goes on...nd isnt really east but you get the picture i think the current system is crap....the same teams go to the same bowls based on what conf they are in the bowls were honestly better when multiple teams had a chance to win the national title on the last day depending on who beat who i think having conferences where everybody doesnt play each other is garbage...at least the pac 10 has it right i mean even with conf title games you can get a team that doesnt make their conf title game playing for the national title i just dont see how conferences make it better...at least as they are presently constructed
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 3, 2008 22:59:09 GMT -5
Week 2 Picks For Games That Matter:
S. Carolina over Vanderbilt (Thursday) BC over Georgia Tech BYU over U-Dub Penn State over Oregon State Wake Forest over Ole Miss Oklahoma over Cincinnati (no Mauk means I recall my preseason thread upset prediction) WVU over E. Carolina WKU over EKU in the Battle of the Bluegrass S. Florida over UCF Duke over Northwestern (who starts the SAT! chant?) Oklahoma State over Houston Florida over Miami Arizona State over Stanford
All chalk this week -- if any of these games are going to end up being upsets I'd pick Cincy and Ole Miss.
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Post by RDF on Sept 4, 2008 0:13:44 GMT -5
Why does everyone talk about "no title game in Pac 10" when their league agreed to play every team once the NCAA went to a 12 game schedule. So they play it out on the field--everyone plays each other.
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Post by kghoya on Sept 4, 2008 10:28:58 GMT -5
Why does everyone talk about "no title game in Pac 10" when their league agreed to play every team once the NCAA went to a 12 game schedule. So they play it out on the field--everyone plays each other. easily my pick as best conference
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Post by HeartAttackHoya on Sept 4, 2008 10:47:08 GMT -5
Week 2 Picks For Games That Matter: S. Carolina over Vanderbilt (Thursday) BC over Georgia Tech BYU over U-Dub Penn State over Oregon State Wake Forest over Ole Miss Oklahoma over Cincinnati (no Mauk means I recall my preseason thread upset prediction) WVU over E. Carolina WKU over EKU in the Battle of the Bluegrass S. Florida over UCF Duke over Northwestern (who starts the SAT! chant?) Oklahoma State over Houston Florida over Miami Arizona State over Stanford All chalk this week -- if any of these games are going to end up being upsets I'd pick Cincy and Ole Miss. agree with all of these except i think Northwestern takes Duke and Ole Miss pulls out an upset
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Post by hifigator on Sept 4, 2008 12:14:03 GMT -5
I hadn't really paid attention, but this is a rather lackluster week for college football. I wonder if the fact that the NFL starts this week has anything to do with it? Last week at least we had UCLA-Tennessee, Fresno St.-Rugters and Illinois-Missouri. This week there is Florida-Miami and not much else.
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