sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Jul 23, 2008 3:48:09 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to say that that is what people think, just that worst case scenerio if that is all he does, he will figure it out. The only reason I argue this point is because I have yet to see the frustrating play during the games he played on tv. IDK, maybe it is because I expect him to make a few mistakes like that, but I wasn't overly concerned about that. But now that so many have brought it up as a major concern, I am now picturing some combo of Brandon Jennings and Tyreke Evans to be running the point for us next year. At this point I am wondering if he even brings any positives to the table with all the talk about his poor decision making.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Jul 23, 2008 8:14:45 GMT -5
Nothing like that. From what I've seen, he'll do it once or twice per game. The team needs him to continue to penetrate. A dish would open things up for everyone.
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Post by hoya00 on Jul 23, 2008 9:01:28 GMT -5
But now that so many have brought it up as a major concern, I am now picturing some combo of Brandon Jennings and Tyreke Evans to be running the point for us next year. At this point I am wondering if he even brings any positives to the table with all the talk about his poor decision making. WOW--I almost fell out of my seat when I read this because (having seen Chris play a couple of HS games, plus last year's KL, regular season, and this year's KL) I can guarantee he brings a lot to the table: he's got a great jumper, likes to dish, pick-n-roll, and is a vocal leader. Does he leave his feet without knowing what he's going to do and try to draw wild foul in KL games, yes; but JTIII and staff will work with him on this. (Consider the improvement in Pat's game from junior to senior year, where he went from making some terrible backdoor passes to being far more efficient because the coaching staff made him a better decision-maker.) Bottom line: Chris is a great, young talent who brings a lot to the table and, as his game matures with proper coaching and game experience, he'll be a huge asset to his team.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 23, 2008 9:04:17 GMT -5
Bottom line: Chris is a great, young talent who brings a lot to the table and, as his game matures with proper coaching and game experience, he'll be a huge asset to his team. Couldn't agree more.
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Post by hoyalawyer on Jul 23, 2008 9:08:09 GMT -5
you can't go wrong with Wright. He is good and has a great b-ball mind but he still needs to learn, and he will. He is gonna shock the doubters and haters, and he will exceed the expectations of those that already believe in him. Chris is also a good person with a great family and that by itself makes me root for him, let alone the fact that he is a McD's AA and the ONLY player to make 3 time all MET (check me on that he might not be the first but he is the first in a long time).
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Jul 23, 2008 9:12:11 GMT -5
First since Adrian Dantley is what I think they were saying.
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Post by hoyalawyer on Jul 23, 2008 9:14:45 GMT -5
thank you chep good fact finding, Dantley was at Dematha 71-73, so 33 year gap is a pretty long time, i.e. players like Chris Wright don't come around often, so this is one guy I wouldn't question at all, especially off of Kenner league decision making (please that's even less important than talking about practice.... we're talking about kenner?)
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 23, 2008 9:46:32 GMT -5
agree chris is great but as one old timer whos seen him for a long while was saying at the kenner and it isthe kenner hes better than that he pointed out chris would either back into a double team and be facing AWAY FROM the basket not good or go into the paint and sometimes go to the hoop vs. two or three bigs hes great hes better than that and hell learn go hoyas go chris
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SirSaxa
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Post by SirSaxa on Jul 23, 2008 10:07:03 GMT -5
agree chris is great but as one old timer whos seen him for a long while was saying at the kenner and it isthe kenner hes better than that he pointed out chris would either back into a double team and be facing AWAY FROM the basket not good or go into the paint and sometimes go to the hoop vs. two or three bigs hes great hes better than that and hell learn go hoyas go chris He's got all the stuff you can't teach.. speed, quickness, tremendous athletic ability AND was 3 time first team ALl Met... very rare. The best coach in College Basketball will take care of the rest. He is going to be a big time star at GU. Clark and Freeman too. And we still have veteran Jessie for one more year. GO HOYAS!
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chep3
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Post by chep3 on Jul 23, 2008 10:13:22 GMT -5
I think Chris is going to be a great Hoya. But I'm sure he's going to have to work on his decisionmaking too. First off, he hasn't played a full season in college basketball yet. To compare his decisoinmaking to a 4 year starter, which I feel is what everyone is subconsciously doing, is not going to be flattering to him. Second, he's an aggressive player and a great scorer. Sometimes we need that kind of player (see Sapp, Jessie at the end of games), but other times that kind of player is going to make mistakes. If we want him to be an attacking player, we're going to have to live with a few of those wild mistakes where he bites off more than he can chew. Hopefully the coaching will reduce that, but I'd be surprised if we don't see 1 or 2 wild drives a game, just the same way we'll probably see 1 or 2 fantastic moves that you wouldn't get from another PG. I know we want everything, but it seems like people want him to have Scottie Reynolds's aggression with Jon's discipline and decisionmaking, which would probably make him the best PG in the country. And third, it is the Kenner League. He's playing with guys he's never played with before (Sims, Monroe), in a pickup game without appropriate spacing and not running our offense. I'm not sure it's a great gauge for how he'll play once the season starts.
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Post by hoyalawyer on Jul 23, 2008 10:40:12 GMT -5
chep is right on. Kenner is kenner it is indicative of one thing... how the guys are playing in kenner. Its entertaining for fans, but its really just so players stay in shape. Player participation isnt even mandatory just highly encouraged as a tool to stay in shape. The coaches all say "if you're gonna experiment, do it in Kenner while it doesn't count." Ill live with Chris figuring out what does and does not work during kenner more so than I will during the season. That said, he is going to make mistakes, but his positives will crush his negatives, that I am sure of.
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Post by royski on Jul 23, 2008 11:22:21 GMT -5
If Kenner WAS mandatory, would that be considered an NCAA violation?
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Post by RDF on Jul 23, 2008 12:33:34 GMT -5
I'm not even concerned about Chris--he's going to make some mistakes-but the positives he brings far outweigh any learning he'll do.
What is wrong with how he played in HS? He carried a medicore cast to the WCAC Title Game? Vlad the big kid at Mason was nice--and Chris ran pick/pop with him all day and also set up average supporting teammates with easy hoops--it's one thing if he fired and they lost--but they played great competition and won a lot of games--due to Chris Wright.
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Post by gujake on Jul 23, 2008 12:43:49 GMT -5
A couple points:
- I shouldn't have said "for so long". Obviously it has only been a year and that's not fair. But I'm not just basing this on a few snippets of games I saw on TV either. I watched a few of his HS games, all of his Kenner games last year, and all of his Hoya games last year. This has been a consistent tendency.
- Yes, Kenner is Kenner. But there are so many little tendencies that you can take away from Kenner games that DO translate into the season. Last summer, one of the things I wrote about Chris was that he drives wildly in the lane with no plan and turns the ball over. That didn't change during the season, he still did it. It just wasn't quite as frequent because we ran a slow, methodical offense.
- Chris doing it only 2 or 3 times a game is probably accurate, but that's not something you can overlook when you're getting something like 65 possessions a game.
- I think dense's point about game flow is spot on.
- On the other side of the argument, we definitely don't want Chris to start playing passively. He is an aggressive player and we should expect him to make a few mistakes like that. ANNND a big point is that he gets fouled pretty often when he drives, even if it's a little ill-advised. So the turnover effect is minimized somewhat. Although the sample size might be small, Chris was second to Jeremiah among guards in free throw rate, and that's really only because Jeremiah never shot the ball.
I'm just hoping Chris can learn to pick his spots a little better, that's all.
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Post by prhoya on Jul 23, 2008 12:47:19 GMT -5
... and makes his FTs!
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 23, 2008 13:13:25 GMT -5
i do love chris that is I DO LOVE CHRIS and all the younins yup will be athletic sloppy early but WOWWOWOWWO WAIT TILL IS FEBRUARY FOLKS YUP GO HOYSAXA
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Post by sleepy on Jul 23, 2008 13:41:16 GMT -5
My last comment about Wright was a bit sarcastic, I know how much Wright brings to the table. My point was that people only seem to talk about his flaws and never mention his positives. Trust me, I wouldn't be so excited for next season if I thought he brought nothing to the table. We are probably going to have more possesions a game than last year, so I think we can afford one or two wild drive. I would rather take a bad drive and shot that would lead to the occasional lucky basket, than a bad extra pass that would lead to the other teams occasional fast break.
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Post by dense on Jul 23, 2008 13:42:54 GMT -5
Thats why i said what i did in my last post.......It's a double edged sword...it will kill you to watch it hapens sometimes, and sometimes he'll make a great play and keep the pressure on the defense. LET ME BOLD IT AND SAY IT CLEARLY, I LOVE CHRIS WRIGHT's GAME...It's just after while you expect to see it not happen, its funny cause you hear it from the fans at Kenner when it happens..... the groan thru the crowd when he does it. And i'll venture to say alot of the fans their aren't that astute but they sure do see that cause it looks very as they say in the streets "heistish". It's just something you'd hope he wouldnt do, that's one of the reasons why they lost that game to the madness all-stars with Onawaku. They had the game under control and Chris was turning it over right and left, well and Henry repeatedly getting picked from behind in the post by a guy 8 inches shorter than him, when he caught it....but i digress.....I just was making an obsveration about his development, not saying Chris was some terrible player in HS. He was obviously outstanding, I dont know how that was extrapolated from my post or Hoyajake's. I think both of us are just hoping he picks his spots better to be aggressive, and not drive wildly into the lane hoping to get a call.
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Post by hoyalawyer on Jul 23, 2008 13:54:04 GMT -5
If his A's outweight his T's, and his Points contributed per possession are > his points scored against off of (his) turnovers... he is on the +.
I think he will be on the +.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jul 23, 2008 18:45:11 GMT -5
hows bout A plus ok ?? special hoya he DID win the three point shooting contest at the mcdonalds classic i do believe correct me if wrong yup
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