royski
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Post by royski on May 27, 2008 22:14:05 GMT -5
Wait, he had offensive talents? He couldn't shoot, he couldn't drive (and finish), he was a poor passer, he couldn't break the press.... Are his talents as an offensive rebounding guard? I thought we showcased that one pretty well.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on May 27, 2008 22:54:49 GMT -5
Well, that's that. Good luck in Bloomington, Baby Doc.
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PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on May 27, 2008 23:28:25 GMT -5
im disappointed in his quote. its one thing to leave graciously, its another to blame the program/system which he seems to be doing. id be worried between him and macklin that the rhetoric about the system hurts recruiting. rather he just left quietly and said he wanted to go to indiana. had we beaten davidson and wisconsin id be less concerned about the impact of these departures on recruiting.
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thornski
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Post by thornski on May 27, 2008 23:33:17 GMT -5
The one offensive play that I remember he seemed pretty good at was the pump-fake from 3, then pull up jumper from the top of the key. Remember him scoring from that several times. The problem was that literally just about every other shot he took was just plain awful - including at least one (or maybe several) that hit the side of the backboard during a wide open 3.
All the best to him, but unless he improves his shot a whole lot, not sure what offensive system will really "showcase his offense."
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Buckets
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Post by Buckets on May 27, 2008 23:53:45 GMT -5
Out of curiosity and my irrational desire to defend Rivers, I looked up the actual quote from the Indy Star. Some pretty irresponsible paraphrasing on the part of SI: www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008805270395I'm sure plenty will be said on Jeremiah's assessment of his own skills, but the mention of differences in system is indirect at best - it just sounds like he wants to be more involved in any type of offense. It seems more like he's trying to get Indiana fans excited about what he can do, not say anything negative about Georgetown's system.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 27, 2008 23:58:06 GMT -5
I do agree, freemoney, that Rivers wasn't trying to dog anyone at GU.
Good luck to him.
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Post by RDF on May 28, 2008 0:20:16 GMT -5
Good luck to Rivers--I'll see him a lot--I hate Creepy Tom Crean--so I'll pull against his team--but wish Rivers well.
My statement--which was made below in "III one of top 5 coaches" thread refers to the fact Jeremiah played in a system similar to what Hoyas use when he was in HS. It was one of the reasons he chose Georgetown--at least that is what HE SAID when he picked the Hoyas. I think he'll be a very good player in Big 10--think he did a great job with his role as a Hoya and he contributed to some championships and a Final Four appearance as a Hoya--for that i'm thankful.
As for tempo--the minute Chris Wright returned from injury--the tempo went up on the court. As I said in other thread--I will now leave this quote or misquote alone.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 28, 2008 0:42:48 GMT -5
Out of curiosity and my irrational desire to defend Rivers, I looked up the actual quote from the Indy Star. Some pretty irresponsible paraphrasing on the part of SI: www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008805270395I'm sure plenty will be said on Jeremiah's assessment of his own skills, but the mention of differences in system is indirect at best - it just sounds like he wants to be more involved in any type of offense. It seems more like he's trying to get Indiana fans excited about what he can do, not say anything negative about Georgetown's system. Can't blame SI for irresponsible paraphrasing - here is the quote in the original Indy Star article (see my post on page 5) that they obviously picked up on the AP wire for their story: ...this has since been changed to the one you quoted. You point about Rivers is well taken, though. The more extensive quotes in the article now are hardly ungracious nor are they a slap at Georgetown.
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moe09
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Post by moe09 on May 28, 2008 7:11:18 GMT -5
Since it doesn't seem to be a misquote, I think it's fair to say that whether or not Jeremiah was trying to throw Georgetown under the bus with his comment, the fact is that he did, and he did it to try to cover up his own faults. Kinda sad really.
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Post by SaxaCD on May 28, 2008 8:44:08 GMT -5
Since it doesn't seem to be a misquote, I think it's fair to say that whether or not Jeremiah was trying to throw Georgetown under the bus with his comment, the fact is that he did, and he did it to try to cover up his own faults. Kinda sad really. Can a backup averaging around 3ppg really throw a team under the bus?
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Post by strummer8526 on May 28, 2008 9:20:52 GMT -5
I also think one of the reasons there was more anger expressed here about Macklin is that Macklin was announced first. You can take any of my old posts that expressed frustration with Macklin and apply them equally to JR. I just got the feeling that no one on this board wanted to slog through that same conversation a second time.
I'm just afraid these comments from JR might hurt our recruiting of overrated, minimally skilled, terrible shooting defensive specialist guards.
Also, he can "get into the paint and distribute or finish at the basket"? Umm...really? Ya know, Jeremiah, you could have, ummm...DONE THAT at least once or twice for us. Woulda been a nice little trick just to mix up your half-heartedly cutting, passing to the other team, and not taking shots because your jumper takes 1/3 of the shot clock just to set up.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on May 28, 2008 9:26:06 GMT -5
Lots of venom for JR. As I said about him during the season, if we were a less-talented team and a faster pace, he could be like Braswell. Now whatever you think about Bras, he had a productive and rewarding career. JR's already gone to a Final Four, and he might be dead on that he'll be blanketing scorers and still shooting 3 shots per game max for as long as he's at Georgetown. So let's face it, he might be right.
JTIII's offense isn't sitting around thinking "How can I make myself compatible with a volume-shooting PG's game?"
Seriously, cd is right, does anyone think the Hoyas get thrown under the bus when it didn't work out for Rivers but is working out for Wright, Sapp, and Freeman?
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Post by lichoya68 on May 28, 2008 9:33:45 GMT -5
enough best to him always a hoya need to move on go hoyas is it november yet or june kenner? wowowowoowwowowoo
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saxamaphone
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Post by saxamaphone on May 28, 2008 9:35:38 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with the rules in the Big Ten. Does it count as a 3-pointer if it hits the side of the backboard?
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on May 28, 2008 9:39:09 GMT -5
I'm not familiar with the rules in the Big Ten. Does it count as a 3-pointer if it hits the side of the backboard? Have you seen a Big Ten game? That answer has to be "yes" otherwise there would be a ton of games that end 51 to 4....oh yeah, right.
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hoyasexy
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Post by hoyasexy on May 28, 2008 10:43:39 GMT -5
Can a backup averaging around 3ppg really throw a team under the bus? He can try, but he would miss.
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757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on May 28, 2008 11:00:50 GMT -5
nooooooooooooo sir... I think Kev under JTIII would have been a much better player than he showed. he was still a decent/good player during his 4 years..... Lots of venom for JR. As I said about him during the season, if we were a less-talented team and a faster pace, he could be like Braswell. Now whatever you think about Bras, he had a productive and rewarding career. JR's already gone to a Final Four, and he might be dead on that he'll be blanketing scorers and still shooting 3 shots per game max for as long as he's at Georgetown. So let's face it, he might be right. JTIII's offense isn't sitting around thinking "How can I make myself compatible with a volume-shooting PG's game?" Seriously, cd is right, does anyone think the Hoyas get thrown under the bus when it didn't work out for Rivers but is working out for Wright, Sapp, and Freeman?
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Post by idhoya on May 28, 2008 11:05:39 GMT -5
strummer,
with the kids GU leads for/is recruiting in '09-'10; I don't think you'll have to worry about "minimally skilled, terrible shooting, defensive oriented guards" anymore.
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Post by blueandgray on May 28, 2008 11:09:16 GMT -5
don't know if anyone got a chance to see the segment on Rivers on Sportscenter. Says he's transferring to Indiana because he doesn't only want to be known as a defensive specialist. They then proceed to show to show three hightlights... the first a fall away 12 foot prayer that he made against Pitt, the next a driving lay up against Pitt again only he MISSES and Ewing is there for the follow up dunk, the last a made shot from the elbow against UCON. ESPN really had to dig deep in their files and couldn't even muster up three made buckets.
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Hoya50
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Post by Hoya50 on May 28, 2008 11:40:23 GMT -5
Lots of venom for JR. As I said about him during the season, if we were a less-talented team and a faster pace, he could be like Braswell. i couldn't disagree more. while braswell's game had severe deficiencies, it was light years better than rivers' game. braswell could create his own shot and carry the hoyas at times. there is no way in hades that rivers could carry this team offensively for more than 30 seconds. that being said, i rooted like crazy for rivers and i wish he stuck it out as i think he had the potential to be a consistent contributor offensively. in the 2 years he suited up for the hoyas, rivers' offensive game would be classified as woeful.
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