turbohoya
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Post by turbohoya on May 9, 2008 10:27:53 GMT -5
this could have been posted in the other thread about Jeremiah but once I got to the 8th page of mudslinging I stopped reading as it had just become utterly pointless... anyways, here is what dad had to say in today's Boston Globe... Doesn't sound like Doc agrees with the move...
So long, Hoyas Georgetown University announced Wednesday that Jeremiah Rivers, son of Doc, has decided to transfer. The elder Rivers said his son, a guard who just completed his sophomore season, is considering four to five schools.
Rivers averaged 2.5 points, 2.4 rebounds, and 1 assist in 18.6 minutes for the Hoyas last season.
"It's something he wanted to do," said Doc Rivers. "I loved where he was at. He wants to be happy in a different system. He loved Coach [John ] Thompson. I love Coach Thompson. It was a tough one.
"I didn't try [to change his mind] because if I did and it didn't work out then it's Dad's fault. I did try to show him where he was at as far as school. He was playing a lot and had a great chance to start the following year.
"Kids, sometimes they want to do things and you just support him. That's what you do as a parent."
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Post by kchoya on May 9, 2008 10:39:13 GMT -5
Just shows that even if there's nothing wrong with the school/coach/offensive system/etc. these are kids we're dealing with and sometime they want to go to another program. It doesn't have to be a negative mark against the program.
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Post by nathanhm on May 9, 2008 10:40:37 GMT -5
Could this bode well for Jerimiah's younger brother?
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Post by HoyaLingus on May 9, 2008 10:51:23 GMT -5
Only if he can shoot.
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Post by DanMcQ on May 9, 2008 10:55:56 GMT -5
Link for the quotes cited above... tinyurl.com/6owsugAll of this is consistent with what I know of Doc through a friend who works with the Celtics.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on May 9, 2008 11:11:29 GMT -5
I'm glad Doc was open and honest about it. His comments are classy as they save face for Gtown while not throwing his son under the bus at all.
I'm really sad to lose Jeremiah and I hope that this all works out well for him in the end. Perhaps an extra year to hone his offensive skills will serve him well.
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Post by Dhall on May 9, 2008 11:16:28 GMT -5
Another article from earlier in the year referenced Jeremiah's tremendous work over the summer to try and improve and Doc supporting him but staying out of it. No father will tell their son that they have no chance to live out their dream (NBA), so he is in a tough position. Another year of hard work before stepping onto the court again for another school for 2 years will help Jeremiah and my guess is that is what he is thinking.
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Post by aggypryd on May 9, 2008 11:40:51 GMT -5
I don't blame Jeremiah for wanting an opportunity for more playing time/starting position, or possibly even an opportunity to go to the next level with his basketball.
I don't think he or Vernon are misguided kids...they're just kids...
Think about how much we THOUGHT we knew at age 20. Maybe these two leaving is a mistake. But I'd rather they leave Georgetown now than regret it later.
I think Jeremiah would be a solid contributor at another big conference school. But I'd love to see him at a VCU, George Mason, Southern Illinois type school.
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Post by 757hoyafan on May 9, 2008 11:49:24 GMT -5
Pretty much... I think the people questioning their decisions are selfish, as these young men have to do what is best for them, not us as fans. Good luck to both of them.. I don't blame Jeremiah for wanting an opportunity for more playing time/starting position, or possibly even an opportunity to go to the next level with his basketball. I don't think he or Vernon are misguided kids...they're just kids... Think about how much we THOUGHT we knew at age 20. Maybe these two leaving is a mistake. But I'd rather they leave Georgetown now than regret it later. I think Jeremiah would be a solid contributor at another big conference school. But I'd love to see him at a VCU, George Mason, Southern Illinois type school.
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Post by hoyaLS05 on May 9, 2008 12:02:07 GMT -5
Just shows that even if there's nothing wrong with the school/coach/offensive system/etc. these are kids we're dealing with and sometime they want to go to another program. It doesn't have to be a negative mark against the program. While I wouldn't say that there is anything wrong with the offensive system, I did interpret Doc's "happy in a different system" remark as meaning Jeremiah wants another style of play, or another offensive system, which is consistent with what most people suspected when they learned of this transfer.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 9, 2008 12:07:27 GMT -5
What I see is DOC saying I don't agree with this move and if it were up to me he'd still be at georgetown. In doc's mind it seems like JR's making a mistake. Which is probably true. Oh well.
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Post by strummer8526 on May 9, 2008 12:35:26 GMT -5
What I see is DOC saying I don't agree with this move and if it were up to me he'd still be at georgetown. In doc's mind it seems like JR's making a mistake. Which is probably true. Oh well. Yeah, but kids make mistakes. He's like...what, seven, eight years old? Who is anyone, especially his father, to point out when someone so young, impressionable, pure, and innocent is making a bad and life-altering decision? I think it's best if everyone stand back, not criticize, and not make any comments or suggestions.
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Post by aristides on May 9, 2008 12:36:50 GMT -5
I thought the wording of Rivers transfer was interesting. "Jeremiah and his family"...I wonder if that is at all in response to Barker Davis's article castigating Macklin for foolishly listening to outside influences, as Davis implies. Hard for Davis to attack rivers the same way with Doc being involved.
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Post by TBird41 on May 9, 2008 12:48:06 GMT -5
What I see is DOC saying I don't agree with this move and if it were up to me he'd still be at georgetown. In doc's mind it seems like JR's making a mistake. Which is probably true. Oh well. Yeah, but kids make mistakes. He's like...what, seven, eight years old? Who is anyone, especially his father, to point out when someone so young, impressionable, pure, and innocent is making a bad and life-altering decision? I think it's best if everyone stand back, not criticize, and not make any comments or suggestions. Hopefully some message board poster can step in and set him right
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Post by strummer8526 on May 9, 2008 12:50:27 GMT -5
Yeah, but kids make mistakes. He's like...what, seven, eight years old? Who is anyone, especially his father, to point out when someone so young, impressionable, pure, and innocent is making a bad and life-altering decision? I think it's best if everyone stand back, not criticize, and not make any comments or suggestions. Hopefully some message board poster can step in and set him right If there's one thing I've learned on here, it's that someone will. All in good fun. If this isn't the place to say what you think about random topics and fight over it for a while, then where?
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Post by Filo on May 9, 2008 13:07:54 GMT -5
Hopefully some message board poster can step in and set him right If there's one thing I've learned on here, it's that someone will. All in good fun. If this isn't the place to say what you think about random topics and fight over it for a while, then where? Law school?
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Post by RDF on May 9, 2008 13:11:03 GMT -5
The problem with your logic Strummer--you think these guys are "making a mistake"--how do you know? For all we know--they could've stayed, been miserable and caused chemistry problems within the team. I'm NOT SAYING THAT IS WHY THEY LEFT--but if you are unhappy in a situation--and you can leave to avoid being unhappy--why not do it?
Most of us haven't been in the shoes of an athlete. Most don't get offers from major programs, school paid for, and get to play big time sports. If you do--and whether you feel you are an NBA caliber player or not--wouldn't you want to enjoy the experience and go somewhere you will be happy?
Sometimes--I view posts like Strummer's as if the fanbase is owed an apology by players who don't like it at Georgetown for whatever reason? I don't get it. So they should be held to a more critical standard then your average 20 year old student who decides to leave/transfer to another school? Why? Because they play basketball and their absence is seen as a shot at the program you support? Never understood this thinking--never will.
By your repeated theme of "they are not kids...."--well you must have been the most mature 20 year old of all time--and forgive people for not labeling people we do NOT KNOW. For all we know-they could've made a mature decision--and are more mature then you or I--especially at same age. I don't know Vernon or Jeremiah--and can't speak on them. Maybe you can--but why is it offensive they are seen as "kids"? I'm 33 years old and view someone 13 years younger then myself in a different light then my peers. Is that wrong? I don't think anyone is saying they should be treated like children, but you shouldn't make them out as if they've been immature when you don't know them or why they made a decision.
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Post by Whoya on May 9, 2008 13:13:22 GMT -5
If there's one thing I've learned on here, it's that someone will. All in good fun. If this isn't the place to say what you think about random topics and fight over it for a while, then where? Law school? Nah, Congress.
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Post by SFHoya99 on May 9, 2008 13:16:19 GMT -5
RDF,
You're better off ignoring strummer. Remember, in his mind, these aren't kids with a life of their own -- they are simply players who owe him for rooting for them and they are here solely on this planet to make him happy by winning Georgetown games.
I'm not shocked he's going into law -- since he wanted the school to basically sue for their tuition back. It's too bad there's not a maturity section on the bar.
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Post by Jack on May 9, 2008 13:17:41 GMT -5
No father will tell their son that they have no chance to live out their dream (NBA), so he is in a tough position. I guess you don't know my father.
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