jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Apr 25, 2008 11:24:36 GMT -5
Props to JimmyHoya for seeing through the divisions and bringing us together....in our common hatred of idiot Terp fans. There may be disagreements on this board, but I've never seen anything as dumb as DailyLama around here. in other pointless UMD bashing news, the cast of the Elliot in the Morning Radio show recently played the Washington Mystics in a basketball game, it was played at Comcast Center. Of the location Mike Wise, color analyst for the game, said, "Welcome to the House that Gary Williams Built -- and Brenda Frese keeps up." Hey edited, what's so classless about it? The kid is clearly wasting a great opportunity on a great basketball program at a great university. There's no indication there's an issue with grades, family matters or other outside issues. So if Macklin wants to throw away this golden opportunity, then I say good riddance to him. Finally, someone else getting a little bit riled up about this! Enough with the edited "Hope things work out in ACC-ville"! A faster style WILL get him to the line more often, so he can probably pick up some in-game practice bricking the ball of the backboard. I'm really floored by how forgiving everyone on this board is. The problem people have with what you guys are saying is that you are making personal attacks on him with out evening reading a quote by him. I agree with you that he is making an incredibly stupid decision that could potentially send him into the depths of pointless basketball, but that doesnt mean i wouldnt want him back with Gtown in a heartbeat. It is impossible to say that he would not have been an asset to the team next year; he played few too many minutes this year to say that. In every game where he played substantial minutes (Pitt, Davidson, and SJU) he played extremely well, period. It can be said that SJU is an outlier because they suck, but Pitt and Davidson do not. As to free throws, in the davidson game he shot 4 of 8. Not good you say? Well Austin was the only one to shoot better, at 3 of 4 and no one besides those two attempted more than 2 FT. He was a good player and an asset to the team, period. To say otherwise based on how much he played is asinine and i am sick of hearing it, if you want to bash the players of your apparently favorite team, the UMD message board is accepting new members and they would love to have you.
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Hoya50
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Post by Hoya50 on Apr 25, 2008 11:28:21 GMT -5
well, i was really looking forward to seeing macklin get major minutes this upcoming season. not sure why he would split when the opportunity is there for him to be a major factor on this team. you'd think that the chance to play major minutes would be the impetus for working on his game, not leave the program. i wish vern the best.
that being said, i'm not as worried as some about the lack of frontcourt depth. i really think the hoyas can play small and run their stuff effectively. defensively, the hoyas may play more zone and may do some trapping. zone defense makes me a little ill, but i won't complain if it's working.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 25, 2008 11:40:06 GMT -5
Morons, the point is consistency breeds champions in most cases. You don't spend time trying to teach the young guys how to play within your system and you can ease them in vs. dropping them into a starting role and seeing how it goes, that was the point!
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Post by JohnJacquesLayup on Apr 25, 2008 12:04:52 GMT -5
I don't wish Vern the best, and I don't understand why I should. I'm a GU basketball fan, and he made the decision to leave the GU basketball family. His reasons are reportedly not academics, personal/family issues, etc. so I'm not going to cut him a break and wish him well. Both Vern and our staff worked together to get him to this point, where he'd be poised to solidify a starting spot, and he bailed. That's his choice, so why should I wish him well for it?
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moe09
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Post by moe09 on Apr 25, 2008 12:18:29 GMT -5
Props to JimmyHoya for seeing through the divisions and bringing us together....in our common hatred of idiot Terp fans. There may be disagreements on this board, but I've never seen anything as dumb as DailyLama around here. in other pointless UMD bashing news, the cast of the Elliot in the Morning Radio show recently played the Washington Mystics in a basketball game, it was played at Comcast Center. Of the location Mike Wise, color analyst for the game, said, "Welcome to the House that Gary Williams Built -- and Brenda Frese keeps up." Finally, someone else getting a little bit riled up about this! Enough with the edited "Hope things work out in ACC-ville"! A faster style WILL get him to the line more often, so he can probably pick up some in-game practice bricking the ball of the backboard. I'm really floored by how forgiving everyone on this board is. The problem people have with what you guys are saying is that you are making personal attacks on him with out evening reading a quote by him. I agree with you that he is making an incredibly stupid decision that could potentially send him into the depths of pointless basketball, but that doesnt mean i wouldnt want him back with Gtown in a heartbeat. It is impossible to say that he would not have been an asset to the team next year; he played few too many minutes this year to say that. In every game where he played substantial minutes (Pitt, Davidson, and SJU) he played extremely well, period. It can be said that SJU is an outlier because they suck, but Pitt and Davidson do not. As to free throws, in the davidson game he shot 4 of 8. Not good you say? Well Austin was the only one to shoot better, at 3 of 4 and no one besides those two attempted more than 2 FT. He was a good player and an asset to the team, period. To say otherwise based on how much he played is asinine and i am sick of hearing it, if you want to bash the players of your apparently favorite team, the UMD message board is accepting new members and they would love to have you. jgalt, I think you're completely missing the point here. No one is saying that Macklin wasn't a good player or wasn't an asset to the team. They're saying that because he's throwing away what seems to be a great opportunity for what appear to be stupid/selfish reasons that they're angry and don't feel like they have to wish him well. (the following comments are based on the assumption that this anonymous source was telling the truth) Quite frankly I'm with them. I'm Editeded off at Macklin not because he's transferring, but because I think he's doing a disservice to himself. He was going to have his time to shine next year on a Hoya team that was going to play a bit more "his style" of basketball. He put in two hard years of work, and still has tons of potential. The minutes were going to come this upcoming year, and all of a sudden you bail because other people are telling you the program is hampering your game? You're telling me JTIII can't develop raw big men? There's going to be a better opportunity elsewhere to become a great big man and head to the NBA? He was a McDonald's American, and I'm sure he had huge expectations coming in, but he stuck around for two years, and when it's his time he runs away listening to others instead of the coaching staff? This I cannot take. I still can't believe it happened. Somebody wake me up. It's just a stupid decision. Mindboggling. I can take Egerson leaving considering the situation he was in and wish him best of luck. To Josh Thornton and Octavious Spann I can also wish the best of luck seeing as the competition rose and they just weren't going to get the play time they probably thought they were coming in. However, to Vern, I can't. Like I said, if you want to transfer, fine, but please do so for a good reason. Instead, this is just painfully boneheaded. No one is saying we don't want him on the team. I want him on the team. But I don't want players who would make stupid decisions like this...
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PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Apr 25, 2008 12:36:08 GMT -5
classless statement. good luck vern. sorry to see you go. team will be worse off without you. thanks for your contributions. Hey edited, what's so classless about it? The kid is clearly wasting a great opportunity on a great basketball program at a great university. There's no indication there's an issue with grades, family matters or other outside issues. So if Macklin wants to throw away this golden opportunity, then I say good riddance to him. ill use numbers so even a guy like you can possibly follow the line of logic. 1. you have no idea why macklin is leaving. you are only speculating. 2. you are accusing macklin of being selfish. 3. even if macklin is making a selfish decision, he is not the first person to make a selfish decision. 4. green left early for selfish reasons. but we all praised green. 5. from what i could tell, macklin tried hard but just didnt live up to lofty expectations. maybe it was the system. maybe it was his talent. maybe he was unfairly hyped and we had unrealistic expectations. 6. so why is macklin deserving of such vitriol? he is not. you should be grateful he tried and made the best contribution he could. conclusion, he is not deserving of your emotional, narcissistic rant. he is a young kid making a decision for reasons we know nothing about. perhaps he wants to maximize his ability to go to the nba and provide a better future for himself and his family. can you imagine what kind of pressure he may be under???no, all you think about is what you think you know and judging him. therefore, you are the definition of classless. at least pitino invested his time and energy in caracter which went unrequited. you are just a fan and a fair-weather one at that.
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Filo
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Post by Filo on Apr 25, 2008 12:38:23 GMT -5
I don't wish Vern the best, and I don't understand why I should. I'm a GU basketball fan, and he made the decision to leave the GU basketball family. His reasons are reportedly not academics, personal/family issues, etc. so I'm not going to cut him a break and wish him well. Both Vern and our staff worked together to get him to this point, where he'd be poised to solidify a starting spot, and he bailed. That's his choice, so why should I wish him well for it? That's not an unreasonable position, and I happen to agree with this sentiment. I haven't followed Egerson's career since he left, and if the speculation is true, his reason for leaving was a bit easier to swallow than Macklin's. What I don't get is, where are these alleged posts saying that anyone has to wish the guy luck? Some folks have wished him luck, and others haven't. Some posts have been criticized (mainly the juvenile ones or the ones that started throwing out unsubstantiated reasons for the departure), but where is this great tide of hoyatalkers demanding that everyone wish the guy well?
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PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Apr 25, 2008 12:41:14 GMT -5
in other pointless UMD bashing news, the cast of the Elliot in the Morning Radio show recently played the Washington Mystics in a basketball game, it was played at Comcast Center. Of the location Mike Wise, color analyst for the game, said, "Welcome to the House that Gary Williams Built -- and Brenda Frese keeps up." The problem people have with what you guys are saying is that you are making personal attacks on him with out evening reading a quote by him. I agree with you that he is making an incredibly stupid decision that could potentially send him into the depths of pointless basketball, but that doesnt mean i wouldnt want him back with Gtown in a heartbeat. It is impossible to say that he would not have been an asset to the team next year; he played few too many minutes this year to say that. In every game where he played substantial minutes (Pitt, Davidson, and SJU) he played extremely well, period. It can be said that SJU is an outlier because they suck, but Pitt and Davidson do not. As to free throws, in the davidson game he shot 4 of 8. Not good you say? Well Austin was the only one to shoot better, at 3 of 4 and no one besides those two attempted more than 2 FT. He was a good player and an asset to the team, period. To say otherwise based on how much he played is asinine and i am sick of hearing it, if you want to bash the players of your apparently favorite team, the UMD message board is accepting new members and they would love to have you. jgalt, I think you're completely missing the point here. No one is saying that Macklin was a good player or wasn't an asset to the team. They're saying that because he's throwing away what seems to be a great opportunity for what appear to be stupid/selfish reasons that they're angry and don't feel like they have to wish him well. (the following comments are based on the assumption that this anonymous source was telling the truth) Quite frankly I'm with them. I'm Editeded off at Macklin not because he's transferring, but because I think he's doing a disservice to himself. He was going to have his time to shine next year on a Hoya team that was going to play a bit more "his style" of basketball. He put in two hard years of work, and still has tons of potential. The minutes were going to come this upcoming year, and all of a sudden you bail because other people are telling you the program is hampering your game? You're telling me JTIII can't develop raw big men? There's going to be a better opportunity elsewhere to become a great big man and head to the NBA? He was a McDonald's American, and I'm sure he had huge expectations coming in, but he stuck around for two years, and when it's his time he runs away listening to others instead of the coaching staff? This I cannot take. I still can't believe it happened. Somebody wake me up. It's just a stupid decision. Mindboggling. I can take Egerson leaving considering the situation he was in and wish him best of luck. To Josh Thornton and Octavious Spann I can also wish the best of luck seeing as the competition rose and they just weren't going to get the play time they probably thought they were coming in. However, to Vern, I can't. Like I said, if you want to transfer, fine, but please do so for a good reason. Instead, this is just painfully boneheaded. No one is saying we don't want him on the team. I want him on the team. But I don't want players who would make stupid decisions like this... im definitely not happy with him leaving either. but no one has provided the facts as to why he is leaving. for all we know, it wasnt his decision. FACT IS WE JUST DONT KNOW. so, relax and not rush to judgement and brand him as boneheaded and stupid. it is very disappointing that people can be so spiteful and judgemental against someone who from all evidence was a good team player and tried. there is less vitriol for guys who leave due to academic reasons. if anything, should they be more worthy of wrath for not applying themselves fully academically and squandering a great oppportunity at an education??? am i the only one who sees the double standard here? i think this thread should be shut cause its turned into personal insults on macklin based only on emotions and speculation.
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PopeJohn2
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Post by PopeJohn2 on Apr 25, 2008 12:46:43 GMT -5
maybe he left cause he was tired of reading all the criticism during the year on this board about what a liability he was and how much he sucked. maybe he said, "im here busting my ass and the fans dont appreciate my efforts and are crapping on me." now those same fans are Editeded that he is leaving??? jeez.
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moe09
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Post by moe09 on Apr 25, 2008 12:54:18 GMT -5
Pope, I've always been a Macklin supporter. One who thought he could shine the bright in this system under the tutelage of JTIII. Who had such amazing potential to become a great player for the Hoyas. I still do. Perhaps this is why I'm so upset over him leaving. I just don't get it. If it's for personal reasons or just because he wanted to transfer, fine. If you want to transfer that's OK with me. It's just to me, this is where he was going to have the best opportunity to improve his game and prove his worth. This season. I guess I was a bit rash.
Like you said, we don't know what exactly the reason is. That's why I mentioned that my post was "hypothetical". If that reason is the truth, then that's how I feel. Who knows if we'll ever find out. I'm mad he transferred because I wanted to see him on the team this year, I was excited to see what he would do with that potential and his brief flashes of ability, not because I was the one bashing him all these years...
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jgalt
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Post by jgalt on Apr 25, 2008 13:31:03 GMT -5
Please dont go throwing the "selfish" idea out there because you know that we are going to completely disagree about that concept.
Regardless of what you want to call his actions (stupid is just fine and we both agree on that) it is the same decision that thousands of students at every college in the country make every year. He is transferring because, no matter the circumstances, he is not happy here. Complaints waged against his actions have gone be on criticizing his actions and into criticizing his motives. Also there appears to be an opinion through out the board that Macklin, and every recruit has some "duty" to the school they play for. This is completely false. Yes, they must honor the contract that they make with the school to attend it, just as every student does when they agree to enroll at a college. However, his first and only duty is to himself and his overall happiness with life. He may be making a stupid decision that could ultimately hurt his happiness but that is a speculative. Right now all that can be said is that his Action is bad for us, for his basketball career, for the team, but it is seemingly better for his happiness and that is the only "duty" he has to anyone or anything.
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thebin
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Post by thebin on Apr 25, 2008 13:31:35 GMT -5
maybe he left cause he was tired of reading all the criticism during the year on this board about what a liability he was and how much he sucked. maybe he said, "im here busting my ass and the fans dont appreciate my efforts and are crapping on me." now those same fans are Editeded that he is leaving??? jeez. If that's why he left then he never had the balls to be a starter in the Big East.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 25, 2008 14:12:01 GMT -5
Enough discussion about which poster is a moron and which is classless, etc.
Keep on topic. The topic does not include attacking Vernon Macklin personally, but if you wish to discuss the merits of his decision that is fine.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Apr 25, 2008 14:23:12 GMT -5
Not saying whether anyone else should or shouldn't wish him the best for his future, but I will. Because even though he didn't produce like we all thought he could have or should have, he still played hard for us while he was here, and didn't make a stink about the situation on the way out a la Bethel and Hall. I'm not going to kill the kid because he wanted to make a decision which he thought was best for him. But I do wish he had stuck it out.
So good luck Vern.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Apr 25, 2008 14:36:16 GMT -5
I'll second that, Rockaway.
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Apr 25, 2008 14:37:53 GMT -5
Wow.
Ok, here's my $.02.
We keep on talking about Georgetown basketball as a family. I believe in that. I feel privileged to have received my undergraduate degree from a university that competes at the Division I level that SI doesn't produce cover stories about how they're what's wrong with college athletics. I hold the Hoyas to a standard. Alabama can bring in more recruits than they have scholarships. That's bush-league. GU doesn't do that.
Ticket is a part of the Hoya basketball family. He's a part of it as much as Iverson and Ewing and Duren and Dean Berry and Hyde. He's also part of the larger Hoya family that includes too many great names to count. He's walked through Healy. He's decided that it's not for him and that, for what he wants to do in life, GU is not the answer. I really don't know his situation - basketballwise, I think that he would have been a starter by default and had a chance to show things. Maybe the coaching staff hinted differently. Maybe he didn't think he could do it (this isn't some psychological failing - I was a lot less secure at 21 and asking people to be Navy SEALs and ignore adversity is nonsensical). Maybe there were personal reasons - maybe he hated Washington. I don't know, and I doubt that anyone on this board does.
Now. He's part of the family. I wish him the best. More importantly, he hasn't turned on the family. He announced his desire to transfer early, so that the coaching staff could look for a replacement. He hasn't complained publicly or given UConn our playbook. He hasn't said that GU lacks "family values" and then switched to Syracuse.
There's a lot of bitterness here. Transfers are a fact of life. People don't pan out. National caliber programs have transfers, and they're not all Fredos. Georgetown can now find someone - either a freshman or a transfer (or a juco) who will be a better fit for the Hoyas now and in the future. Isn't that a good thing?
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Post by strummer8526 on Apr 25, 2008 14:54:43 GMT -5
In keeping with the merits of his decision and not attack him personally, I will say that it looks like the "This decision is clownish" party is getting a little bit bigger than when I first posted my slightly more "personally attacking" post 2 days ago. And like it or not, we're right. Selfish decision. Bad reasons. Reneging on a commitment to a program. I can't respect it. As a human being, I wish him well in the "hope his life turns out ok" kind of way. But I don't approve of or appreciate what he's doing. And it's about time he talk to a reporter. For someone with a head big enough to walk away from this team, he should at least have the strength to justify it in his own words.
MOD NOTE: The various views about this have been posted and re-posted numerous times (especially this one, in a variety of guises). Enough. Time to move on - this thread is locked
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