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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 8, 2008 11:03:33 GMT -5
Were Xavier, Butler or Davidson ever really going to have a shot at the title regardless?
How did K. State do with Beasley? The best talent does not a team make.
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Post by Filo on Apr 8, 2008 11:05:20 GMT -5
I think the better question is: How would K State do next year if Beasley stays and they surround him with a little more talent. The answer: Probably pretty well.
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Apr 8, 2008 11:30:17 GMT -5
I understand the monopoly angle and the fact that there is no "right" to play in the NBA. My problem is with forcing someone to go to college as a prerequisite for "employment" in the NBA. That works in many professions, where certain minimal education standards must be met. But there is no connection whatsoever between the need for a college education and the ability to play NBA basketball, and forcing some of these kids to go to college is such a blatant charade. We force them to go to high school, do you think they are any more interested in their studies there? Where would you like to draw the line?
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Post by Jack on Apr 8, 2008 11:32:12 GMT -5
I understand the monopoly angle and the fact that there is no "right" to play in the NBA. My problem is with forcing someone to go to college as a prerequisite for "employment" in the NBA. That works in many professions, where certain minimal education standards must be met. But there is no connection whatsoever between the need for a college education and the ability to play NBA basketball, and forcing some of these kids to go to college is such a blatant charade. We force them to go to high school, do you think they are any more interested in their studies there? Where would you like to draw the line? But we force everyone under 18 to go to high school. College is clearly a different ball of wax.
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 8, 2008 11:39:29 GMT -5
Were Xavier, Butler or Davidson ever really going to have a shot at the title regardless? How did K. State do with Beasley? The best talent does not a team make. They definitely had a better chance this past year than they will with this rule. Xavier and Davidson were legit Elite 8 teams this year. Neither had enough to win the title, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't in years to come. In decades past a team like that would have never had a chance to even think about it, but with more talent heading to the league early and with the increased emphasis on the 3 point shot in the college game, we've seen the rise of midmajors to the point where it's not unusual to see midmajors in the top 10 in the rankings, to see them in the sweet 16, and whatnot. IMO the college game has unquestionably been trending toward parity over the last decade or so, and if that continued then yea, I think teams like Xavier or Davidson might have a shot to win it all in the not-too-distant future. But with this requiring kids to do 2 years of school, plus the moving back of the 3point line, I think that's definitely going to kill the momentum of the midmajors. Maybe one or two of them will be good enough to stay "major" despite not being in a BCS conference, kinda like Memphis, but the trend toward mid-majors becoming serious players is going to stop. And as Filo said, the comparison with Beasely is imperfect. If this rule had been enacted in the past, Greg Oden would still have been in the NCAA this year. If he doesn't get hurt I see almost no way OSU doesn't kill everybody this year.
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Post by Filo on Apr 8, 2008 11:39:38 GMT -5
Well, a high school education cut-off is pretty standard in the country, so I don't think I am going out on a limb by drawing the line there.
Don't get me wrong, I am not anti-college. I'd love to see all kids encouraged to get a college education and gain the valuable experiences of college. I just don't like the idea that each and every kid is forced to do so.
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Apr 8, 2008 11:50:41 GMT -5
And it means that "non-elite" teams like Xavier, Butler, Davidson, etc. will NEVER win the championship, because as solid as those teams may be, there is no chance that they are ever going to beat a sophomore LeBron James/Dwight Howard/Greg Oden. Really, because I seem to recall North College Hill falling to St Xavier HS in 2005.. The NCH team included Bill Walker and OJ Mayo, and X started a bunch of guys that at best made the end of somebody's bench in College. Before somebody makes the argument that sophomores in HS are a big difference from those in college, OJ was named Mr. Basketball in Ohio that year, so I think the comparison is valid. Solid teams will always have a chance against a one and done or two and done.
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