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Post by hoyaboy1 on Apr 7, 2008 10:49:40 GMT -5
Looks like the NBA is going to try to push for a 2 year limit - not sure if it could be done fast enough to impact incoming recruits. tinyurl.com/4u2bpo
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 7, 2008 10:58:17 GMT -5
This would greatly help the NBA & College games. The NBA is garbage right now and the young players and ridiculous NBA executives are to blame. I would even allow a window to let high schoolers go pro immediately or enter college and play at least two years. Let Michael Beasley & OJ Mayo go pro immediately if they want, but make sure that guys who go to school are there at least a few years to develop.
BTW, Earl Clark should play at least one more year if he wants to be relevant in the pros in his first five years.
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Post by Jack on Apr 7, 2008 11:03:02 GMT -5
This would greatly help the NBA & College games. The NBA is garbage right now and the young players and ridiculous NBA executives are to blame. I would even allow a window to let high schoolers go pro immediately or enter college and play at least two years. Let Michael Beasley & OJ Mayo go pro immediately if they want, but make sure that guys who go to school are there at least a few years to develop. BTW, Earl Clark should play at least one more year if he wants to be relevant in the pros in his first five years. Do you even watch the NBA? This season has been the best in the last 10 years, if not longer. But don't let that get in the way of a good rant. As for the rule change, I will repost from another thread: The idea of allowing players either to go straight from HS or else commit to a few years in college is the one interesting thought here. Baseball has that system, and it would make some sense, but the NBA seems uninterested in supporting a true minor league (with a limited fanbase at best) when they can instead have their next stars hyped in the already popular NCAA.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 7, 2008 11:05:08 GMT -5
The baseball system is the best compromise -- I would love to see that. Either jump immediately or stay three years.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2008 11:08:43 GMT -5
This would greatly help the NBA & College games. The NBA is garbage right now and the young players and ridiculous NBA executives are to blame. I would even allow a window to let high schoolers go pro immediately or enter college and play at least two years. Let Michael Beasley & OJ Mayo go pro immediately if they want, but make sure that guys who go to school are there at least a few years to develop. BTW, Earl Clark should play at least one more year if he wants to be relevant in the pros in his first five years. The NBA is far from garbage. Right now in terms of talent spread across the board and the actual play on the court its better than NFL and possibly MLB. But since most of America slurps those leagues and never see anything wrong with those leagues their faults get overlooked. Like Bill Simmons wrote recently if American fans can't get interested in the NBA now with its current great crop of players who (unlike the NFL as he pointed out) are really good guys for the most part then something other than the quality of the sport is at issue here. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for this new rule and I think they should have gone with two years a couple of years ago when they first passed the one year rule. Nonetheless the NBA is giving us great games every night while college basketball has been mostly horrid the past few years. College basketball is my fave sport but its so bad when you compare it to the NBA. Of course sports radio talk show nation will tell you different. Sorry, the passion of the crowd (well, some crowds) is not enough to overlook the bad basketbal being played across the board. If Memphis wins tonight you are talking about a team that mostly plays one-on-one basketball. You can't say that about those boring San Antonio Spurs.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2008 11:18:08 GMT -5
Correction: Denver is garbage. Everyone else is trying to win. Yes, I'm bitter.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 7, 2008 11:20:00 GMT -5
MCI, I have no idea how you compare quality of play across sports. It's more a matter of preference.
That said, anyone who says the NBA sucks right now probably isn't watching or isn't a basketball fan. Team play abounds; teams are playing up tempo but most still play defense; exciting players are featured but they are more team-oriented than ever.
The issue with the NBA is slowly happening in baseball. The teams are pricing their real fans out of going to games. NBA crowds SUCK because it's all corporate; all fifty year old executives and lawyers who haven't stood up and shouted defense in twenty years.
The other issue is the 82 game season. Players do dog it at times, probably because they are tired. It happens in baseball, too, but because it's stop and start, you can't tell. There's a reason football is 16 games.
A couple of years ago I could watch 2-3 teams in the NBA. Now, fun to watch (and most of these teams are good teams as well) includes the Suns, Lakers, Spurs, Mavericks, Warriors, Nuggets, Hawks, Philly, Seattle, Cleveland, Detroit, Celtics, Orlando, Utah...it's at least half the league.
And you know what? With PGs like DJ Augustin and Derrick Rose coming into the league, it is going to get better.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2008 11:37:25 GMT -5
MCI, I have no idea how you compare quality of play across sports. It's more a matter of preference. . Simple. There were only four to five NFL teams worth watching this past season. That's a bad year for the sport...or at least it should have been. But the NFL is the Teflon league in which none of its negative stick in the minds of the American public.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 7, 2008 11:41:35 GMT -5
MCI, I have no idea how you compare quality of play across sports. It's more a matter of preference. . Simple. There were only four to five NFL teams worth watching this past season. That's a bad year for the sport...or at least it should have been. But the NFL is the Teflon league in which none of its negative stick in the minds of the American public. I disagree. That number is going to change for each person based on how much they like the game. I love baseball -- much more than basketball, so I can probably watch a lot more teams than you.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 7, 2008 11:48:45 GMT -5
Part of this is my team, The Pacers, are on a Larry Bird induced downward spiral so my interest to watch Utah v. New Orleans just isn't there.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2008 12:02:31 GMT -5
Simple. There were only four to five NFL teams worth watching this past season. That's a bad year for the sport...or at least it should have been. But the NFL is the Teflon league in which none of its negative stick in the minds of the American public. I disagree. That number is going to change for each person based on how much they like the game. I love baseball -- much more than basketball, so I can probably watch a lot more teams than you. Well, NBA fans have been saying similiar things for years only to be told by the masses that the league stunk. So excuse me if I now take shots at an overhyped, water-downed NFL. And let me take a shot at the steroid league (MLB) in which the results can't be trusted anymore and the game itself may not had even been worth watching if foreign talent hadn't popped up in the last 10 years to save it. Doesn't mean you can't still love it f course and see the greatness in the play on the field, but I'm pointing out how each league can have its share of flaws. However the NBA seems to get the brunt of the hatred from the media and American fans in general.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 7, 2008 12:03:26 GMT -5
Part of this is my team, The Pacers, are on a Larry Bird induced downward spiral so my interest to watch Utah v. New Orleans just isn't there. I hear ya. The Pacers do blow though I like Jim O'Brien. Who is your football team? Are you stil interested in the NFL when that team doesn't make the playoffs?
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Post by Boz on Apr 7, 2008 12:38:23 GMT -5
Do you even watch the NBA? This season has been the best in the last 10 years, if not longer. But don't let that get in the way of a good rant. This being the best season in a decade wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the certain success of a certain team in a certain "hub" of a certain "sports universe," now would it Jack? ;D
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Post by RDF on Apr 7, 2008 12:50:18 GMT -5
The problem fans have with NBA will slowly go away if Stern keeps waking up. The problem with the NBA was Michael Jordan. Now bear with me--not his play--how he was promoted and league went to "Star promotion" instead of showcasing TEAM play. The thing I love about NBA ball now--you get to see more teams, more great talent, and the league promotes the TEAMS. It's nice to have open competition and not just have 1 guy promoted as a Super Hero and the rest are evil trying to beat the "hero".
My father who doesn't follow basketball as closely had no idea who half the players were due to them coming from European leagues, or out of HS and with the age limit--he has had more familiarity--his interest in NBA has increased to point he watches regularly. That would only increase more with players having to stay 2 years minimum--and it helps the NBA and NCAA in long run. Getting to see guys like Oden, Rose, Beasley play in college for 1 year is better then trying to guage whether they can play or not in a HS all Star game. For every LeBron, Kobe, and Garnett--there have been Leon Smith's, Ndudi Ebi, and Korleone Young's.
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Post by Jack on Apr 7, 2008 12:52:43 GMT -5
Do you even watch the NBA? This season has been the best in the last 10 years, if not longer. But don't let that get in the way of a good rant. This being the best season in a decade wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the certain success of a certain team in a certain "hub" of a certain "sports universe," now would it Jack? ;D Of course it is related. At least I didn't say it was the first season worth watching since 1986, though.
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Post by jacko on Apr 7, 2008 14:00:50 GMT -5
I'm just waiting until these phenom types decide they want to make some real money (maybe I'm being naive?) and get some experience playing against near-NBA competition and start going overseas to play for a year or two. I'm surprised it hasn't started already.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 7, 2008 14:07:40 GMT -5
I'm just waiting until these phenom types decide they want to make some real money (maybe I'm being naive?) and get some experience playing against near-NBA competition and start going overseas to play for a year or two. I'm surprised it hasn't started already. What's easier? Play college basketball with guaranteed exposure at a school that will cover up your poor/non-existant schoolwork (and there are some) or get paid in Europe but have to be 18 years in a country where you don't speak the language and are either in a crappy league or fighting for PT. There are very few of these kids who can compete with men -- even the players in Europe. For a lot of these kids, moving to another American city is a big deal -- moving to Europe is crazy. How much would it take? Because I really don't think European teams would be itching to give out huge contracts to Americans who are going to leave in two years.
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Post by theexorcist on Apr 7, 2008 16:10:09 GMT -5
I had a larger post, but it boils down to this - if you're old enough to join the Army, you're old enough to spend a year with the Trail Blazers.
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Post by kghoya on Apr 7, 2008 16:42:47 GMT -5
I had a larger post, but it boils down to this - if you're old enough to join the Army, you're old enough to spend a year with the Trail Blazers. yeah but still can't buy a beer
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Post by FormerHoya on Apr 7, 2008 16:53:07 GMT -5
I had a larger post, but it boils down to this - if you're old enough to join the Army, you're old enough to spend a year with the Trail Blazers. That's all fine and good, but looking at it from the NBA's point of view (and since it is literally their ball, and they can take it and go home if they want to [okay, I guess "literally" doesn't really work there, but you know what I mean]), why wouldn't they do this? Two years of college acts as a extended scouting and maturation period so that the Bulls don't get stuck with Tyson Chandler before he is ready to become an actual decent basketabll player and then they have to sign a p.o.s. like Ben Wallace, and now they're screwed and are going to suck forever just like the Cubs... Where the hell was I? Eh, I don't care, carry on thread.
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