"Psycho-T" = SI's P.O.Y.

[alleninxis]

Jason Thompson is absolutely legit...

and put up numbers against BCS schools early in the season...also outplayed Beasley

[Big Dog]

Tying this thread back to the Big East POY discussion:

Doesn't the fact that Harongody crapped his pants against Big Roy HAVE to impact the voting? At least it won't be unanimous.
Obviously there's no way JTIII can justify voting for him. And I'm sure Boeheim will cast a vote for Donte Green.

[jerseyshorehoya]

Beasley's team shouldn't even make the tournament in a sport where 1 great player can put a team on his back and carry it to phenomenal heights, (see Bo Kimble, Reggie Williams, Danny Manning).

Beasley, no thanks.

[hoya9797]

Harangody is going to win BE POY and it's really going to Edited me off. Roy, despite not having quite as good a year as expected and not having really gaudy stats, is still a better POY candidate. Harangody benefits from the fact that his team plays really up tempo and from the fact that he takes a huge number of shots. Ken Pomeroy's pace adjusted offensive rating has Roy at 118.4 and Harangody at 111.3. And, when you consider the fact that Roy changes games on defense while Harangody is a total liability, it really isn't even close. Last year the coaches were able to look beyond the rate stats and correctly identify Jeff as the clear POY. I only wish they could do the same this year.

[Hoyaholic]

Mar 5, 2008 20:45:00 GMT -5 hoya9797 said:

Harangody is going to win BE POY and it's really going to Edited me off. Roy, despite not having quite as good a year as expected and not having really gaudy stats, is still a better POY candidate. Harangody benefits from the fact that his team plays really up tempo and from the fact that he takes a huge number of shots. Ken Pomeroy's pace adjusted offensive rating has Roy at 118.4 and Harangody at 111.3. And, when you consider the fact that Roy changes games on defense while Harangody is a total liability, it really isn't even close. Last year the coaches were able to look beyond the rate stats and correctly identify Jeff as the clear POY. I only wish they could do the same this year.

In all fairness, if Roy had to keep up with ND's pace, he'd be puking before the under-8 time out. Efficiency stats can only tell you so much.

[Hoya TMF]

While it would be nice for Roy to win POY, a Big East Championship trophy and a BET MVP trophy would make up for it quite nicely.

[strummer8526]

When does BE POY get announced? Jeff was looking good for it last year, but he had some performances late in the season that pushed him over the edge. Let Roy play like we all know he can for the next 4-6 games, and he'll be in a different place than he is now.

(Part of that obviously being the rest of our team getting him the ball. I really think that when the bright lights of MSG hit, we'll see more Roy and less erratic threes.)

[alleninxis]

I'd rather see it go to AJ Price than "Gody"

[RDF]

Mar 5, 2008 14:52:06 GMT -5 capcenterhoya said:

Not sure about Hansborough as a marginal pro prospect. I think he'll be a really good 4 at the next level. His jumpshot has really improved this year, which has allowed him to develop his game facing the basket. I think he is also a better athlete than people give him credit for. He gets very good position on defense, and should be able to guard 3s at the next level.

I can take dealing with this ACC "post" player getting POY award-because it's so common-it should be ACC POY instead of "National" but to say he can guard "3's" in the NBA? WTF are you smoking? As in NBA Small Forwards? This guy can't guard anyone in college and now he can defend some of the most athletic people on the planet? Unreal.

[royski]

What RDF, you don't think that Psycho-T could lock down LeBron James? Or Carmelo Anthony?

[royski]

I agree with Hansbrough as POY. But the idea of him guarding NBA 3's is laughable. I just don't think that should matter for a college award.

[SFHoya99]

How does Hansbrough make his teammates better more than Beasley? Isn't it more likely that Hansbrough simply has better teammates?

I don't think there should be indignation over Hansbrough winning, but he wouldn't be my selection.

[jerseyshorehoya]

Mar 6, 2008 10:12:49 GMT -5 SFHoya99 said:

How does Hansbrough make his teammates better more than Beasley? Isn't it more likely that Hansbrough simply has better teammates?

I don't think there should be indignation over Hansbrough winning, but he wouldn't be my selection.

IMHO, National Player of the Year should come from one of the Top 8-10 Teams in the country, a team that has a legitimate chance to make a run in the NCAA tournament. It isn't National Most Talented Player or National NBA Prospect of the Year, and, winning percentage of the team you play on should be more important than individual stats.

Similar reasoning behind Heisman Trophy. No NFL Scout or armchair QB would argue that Troy Smith was a better QB or pro prospect than Jamarcus Russell or Brady Quinn. He led a very talented team to an undefeated regular season.

[SFHoya99]

But you're making a massive assumption about the quality of a player's teammates. You're giving Hansbrough credit for making his teammates better and docking Beasley for not.

Do you really think if Beasley had Lawson, Ellington, etc., that K State would be a bubble team?

National Player of the Year means best player to me. I do think winning should factor, but it isn't like K State is a junk team. I think Beasley is better -- right now -- than Hansbrough.

[dailey247]

HANSBROUGH'S A PUNK, AND S.I. WRITERS WOULDN'T KNOW BASKETBALL IF IT WERE GIVING THEM A PROSTATE EXAM! In all seriousness, though, it's nice to see some tempo-free stats showing up on the board. We're all smart Georgetown people, we should be at the forefront of hoops analysis. (We can't expect someone from air-conditioner repairman U to understand these complicated concepts.) I'm not sure who POY should be, I only know that it shouldn't be Hansbrough. If you think putting up good stats on a good team is what matters, there's nothing Psycho T does that Kevin Love doesn't do better against better competition, especially rebounding. If you think talent you can see with the naked eye is what matters, it's gotta be Beasley. Anytime Hansbrough has to play against a competent frontcourt (rare in the ACC), he get's tossed around. Beasley dominates some solid Big 12 front lines to the point where they're throwing junk defenses at him.

P.S. - I've been to a couple Cal games this year, and Anderson is only the 3rd best player on that team. DeVon Hardin and Patrick Christopher run that team, and Anderson picks up the leftovers when defenses adjust to them.

[Filo]

Mar 6, 2008 1:31:03 GMT -5 pash said:

The highest-scoring player in the country is pretty much never the MVP. And that's true this year too unless somebody wants to nominate that Fisher kid on Niagra...

I don't think the NCAA MVP award goes to the stats leader, or even to the guy who has the most talent -- it goes to the guy who makes a good team great. A stand-out player on a stand-out team. And if that's the way it works, then I think there are some clear leaders: Kevin Love, the best Smith on Tennessee, the better Lopez on Stanford, and of course Hansbrough. I despise Carolina, but all the indignation in this thread is pretty baffling.

I don't really think the "most valuable player" (great player making a good team great) approach is reality. Players with gaudy statistics on good teams win the POY award, whether the team is final four caliber or not. That's why I think Beasley may win it, although I think Hansbrough is entirely defensible, since he is putting up the numbers. Love, Lopez, Smith have no chance. Love may not even be the best player on his team.

As far as the Roy vs. Harangody argument, well it's nice to see this rather than Hoya fans being harder on Hoya players than on opposing players, but there is zero chance Roy gets BE POY this year. He just did not put up the number this year. I think Jeff was the exception rather than the rule -- voters usually go for the stats, but everyone just knew that Jeff's number did not tell the whole story.

Does anyone have quick access to compare Jeff's number's last year to Roy, Harangody, etc. this year? Would be interesting to see.

[aggypryd]

IMO Player of the Year should go to the best player in the country.

Not most hyped, most covered or the best player on the best team. That's how people like Christian Laettner get to be recognized as one of the best college players ever, even though he was only the best player on his team for one year...his sophomore year...His freshman year Danny Ferry was the best player on the team and his junior and senior years, Grant Hill was the best player on the team.

Tyler is a good agressive low-post player who fades in the waning moments of big games.

Beasley is a BEAST!!! Too bad we only get to enjoy him for a year before he moves on.

I'm not 100% sure if Beasley is the best player in the country, but I am 100% sure that Hansbrough is not the best player in the country.

[jerseyshorehoya]

Mar 6, 2008 17:38:28 GMT -5 aggypryd said:

Beasley is a BEAST!!! Too bad we only get to enjoy him for a year before he moves on.

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Don't worry.

You'll get a chance to watch him in the NIT.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

K st. will be in the NCAA.

[aggypryd]

Finally a voice of reason...

www.sportsline.com/columns/story/10700001