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Post by prhoya on Jun 17, 2024 13:46:21 GMT -5
You go into the season "scared" you're going to play "scared." Ohhh, if I hustle for that rebound or try to save a ball in bounds, I might get hurt! Better play at 80%! (N.B. I'm a guy who tore his MCL and ACL in Navy officer training because we were playing a mandatory game against our staff and we wanted to beat 'em!) Life happens. I’ve also had serious injuries both in games and in practice, but the season did not depend on me because we were stacked, just as a season (and a program) didn’t depend on you in officer training. Injuries happen, sure. Remember one of our players who stepped on a ball in Kenner, had to wear a boot and had a nagging injury during the season? It is wise to try to limit injuries to your key players. It’s why pro players sign contracts which limit their extracurricular activities (i.e., like no skiing, etc). I would encourage every other player to have fun in Kenner, just not our two most important players (because we’re thin in their position) next season.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 17, 2024 13:44:10 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 17, 2024 13:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 17, 2024 13:40:18 GMT -5
"Five prospects that boosted their stock last week... Lewis already jumped a cool 50 spots to No. 55 overall in the Rivals150 after dominating the competition this spring, but his play over the last week could be the springboard for ascending even higher in the future. Lewis was dominant at the NBPA Top 100 Camp last week and turned it up a notch in the title game, posting 25 points and eight assists to lead his team to the win. Lewis has quickly jumped to the must-have line on college coaches’ recruiting boards." basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/five-prospects-that-boosted-their-stock-last-week
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Post by jackofjoy on Jun 17, 2024 13:26:17 GMT -5
Do you think guys don't play pick up basketball games? This is a ridiculous suggestion. Kenner allows them to get some run in with other D1 and former D1 players. We are talking about a 2 hour a week commitment. I don't think these teams practice very often. Do you want Sorber and Fields to not engage in any physical activity all summer that could potentially injure them? Kenner injuries are few and far between -- but at least there's a trainer attending every game and an emergency room about a quarter of a mile away. If Kenner does exist then we should also shut down Hoya Talk all summer -- Kenner gives guys a chance to play and it gives fans a chance to see the team. Could it be much better? Of course! But it's better than nothing. Also Kenner is one of the very few tangible connections the university has with a big part of the city. Let's get the team in wheelchairs this summer ... no need risking having them walk around at all until the home opener! Excellent idea. Who are the largest wheelchair manufacturers and can we get some NIL?
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Post by practice on Jun 17, 2024 13:21:34 GMT -5
Do you think guys don't play pick up basketball games? This is a ridiculous suggestion. Kenner allows them to get some run in with other D1 and former D1 players. We are talking about a 2 hour a week commitment. I don't think these teams practice very often. Do you want Sorber and Fields to not engage in any physical activity all summer that could potentially injure them? Kenner injuries are few and far between -- but at least there's a trainer attending every game and an emergency room about a quarter of a mile away.
If Kenner does exist then we should also shut down Hoya Talk all summer -- Kenner gives guys a chance to play and it gives fans a chance to see the team. Could it be much better? Of course! But it's better than nothing. Also Kenner is one of the very few tangible connections the university has with a big part of the city.
Let's get the team in wheelchairs this summer ... no need risking having them walk around at all until the home opener!
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 17, 2024 13:19:09 GMT -5
You go into the season "scared" you're going to play "scared."
Ohhh, if I hustle for that rebound or try to save a ball in bounds, I might get hurt! Better play at 80%!
(N.B. I'm a guy who tore his MCL and ACL in Navy officer training because we were playing a mandatory game against our staff and we wanted to beat 'em! The whole point of the game was to build company morale and to bond as a team. We were ordered to skip lunch for that game! Grrrr!)
Life happens.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 17, 2024 13:03:01 GMT -5
I don't agree with sitting them at all. Young guys should always play Kenner - it's organized hoops, and that's definitely a way to get better. Quality of the league seems to vary year to year: last year was down a bit, hopefully this year will be better. And if Fielder or Sorber gets injured, what happens to the season? We could end up #10 or 11 yet again, other teams picking off our best players who also want a chance at the NCAAT, not getting the recruits Cooley wants because the top recruits want to win, and back to starting from scratch, “rebuilding the brand” (or any other cliché phrase) in Year 3 and another $45M down the drain…
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Post by prhoya on Jun 17, 2024 12:49:16 GMT -5
Kenner only lasts 5 weekends or so. Seems to me you can do S & C and also play in Kenner. It's not an either or situation. If the player(s) get s) injured, then it’s a “neither” situation.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 17, 2024 12:48:05 GMT -5
Hopefully, Cooley will give us a State of the Union interview soon At this point, we need to hear about what the program has instead of dwelling on what it doesn't have. It's becoming less likely, and for once you can't blame a Bill Shapland or a Ronny Thompson for the lack of engagement here. There are a lot of headwinds facing this program, some of its own doing, others not, that Georgetown does not want amplified in front of traditional or social media. The claim that Georgetown would have ample NIL money this spring is an example of how this can backfire. Watching a winning coach at a high major level arrive and literally do no better than his less capable predecessor caused a lot of head scratching among those in the media who were ready and willing to tell the college basketball world that Georgetown was back. Now, we get awkward quotes like "Burks will have the freedom to make mistakes and not have a crew of 5-stars waiting to take him out. The former 3-star joins a Hoyas team looking to find any sort of talent" is not a message that rings with recruits or writers. Georgetown ended the Big East 10th and or now is likely penciled in as... 10th. Kyle Neptune is on a hot seat of sorts but retaining Dixon and adding Poplar and Shulga helped their cause, the same for Seton Hall with Addae-Wusu returning and Dual arriving. (Villanova even signed a European player averaging 15 ppg to what appears to be a non-scholarship role.) The Hoyas are, of course, still looking. Georgetown must excel in 2024-25 with three freshman and the hope that Mack does not struggle in the climb from Ivy League to Big East competition, and I'm not sure a state of the program address is where GU wants to be right now if a strong message isn't there. After the passing of JT2, my blame went to and is still on the Prez & The AD. Gtown's NIL is fine, we know this by the level of talent they competed for & against this portal season. Once NIL is similar for a recruit they move on to other priorities on their lists, that's where Gtown falls short right now. The program has little to sell right now outside of "restoring the brand" As I posted yesterday in the discussion of whether playing Fielder & Sorber together was a bad idea or not, I said Gown can't hide from it's lack of depth up front, in this case, Cooley can't hide from the fact he didn't land the players & team he thought he would this portal season. Imho he needs to at a minimum come out & preach the be patient mantra he hit us with last year, the program needs to break the apathy cycle as soon as possible. It's much better to have fans who are upset than former fans who don't care anymore
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Post by hoyaguy on Jun 17, 2024 12:45:33 GMT -5
PRHoya makes a great point in an earlier post, in that it probably doesn't make sense for Thomas Sorber and Drew Fielder to play in the Kenner League this summer. With such a short rotation of bigs on the 2024-2025 Hoyas roster, an injury to either Sorber or Fielder (who has been injury-prone) would be devastating. It got me thinking - what is the point of Kenner League for the Hoyas, anyway? This is not the Kenner League of old where you'd have NBA guys like Steve Francis and Jerome Williams come back and compete against a group of strong high major college players. At this stage, Kenner is basically a bunch of current mid-major and low-major local players plus local has-beens playing in low-level professional leagues overseas. The competition is not nearly as good as what the Hoyas will face when they go up against Big East teams and the "coaching" is typically absurd, with more of an NBA all-star feel than a real game being competed. Last year, reports out of Kenner were that Rowan Brumbaugh was a beast and Wayne Bristol was going to have a huge year. While I'm still a Brumbaugh fan, many of the same people toasting him during Kenner season were ready to send him packing by the end of his first real college basketball season. To me, the 2024-2025 Hoyas would be better served getting stronger, in better shape, and working on their fundamentals instead of playing lazy, playground-style Kenner ball against bad competition. " Last year, reports out of Kenner were that Rowan Brumbaugh was a beast and Wayne Bristol was going to have a huge year. While I'm still a Brumbaugh fan, many of the same people toasting him during Kenner season were ready to send him packing by the end of his first real college basketball season" I don't agree with this a LOT of folks we're not happy when he left. Earlier in the season yes... I too did not want him to leave under the premise that we were gonna get a veteran pg for a year and he’d continue to adjust because in part I didn’t think we could get Mack or someone in high demand. Once it seemed like he was looking to start, I didn’t think he is a starter next year on a winning high major team but could develop. I think the staff felt some heat and had an angle with Mack so they went for it.
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Post by bluechi on Jun 17, 2024 12:41:21 GMT -5
Kenner only lasts 5 weekends or so. Seems to me you can do S & C and also play in Kenner. It's not an either or situation. I would think that the games would break up the monotony of only S & C during the summer. Of course you can do both, but at this point, what are the positives associated with Hoyas playing in Kenner League? The level of competition is poor and the play is sloppy. The highest likelihood of results is picking up bad habits and injuries. player level positivity in that you can work on aspects of your game against some semblance of competition and can stay engaged. In my 30 years of following Kenner maybe there's been 3 injuries. Maybe.
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Post by bluechi on Jun 17, 2024 12:36:55 GMT -5
PRHoya makes a great point in an earlier post, in that it probably doesn't make sense for Thomas Sorber and Drew Fielder to play in the Kenner League this summer. With such a short rotation of bigs on the 2024-2025 Hoyas roster, an injury to either Sorber or Fielder (who has been injury-prone) would be devastating. It got me thinking - what is the point of Kenner League for the Hoyas, anyway? This is not the Kenner League of old where you'd have NBA guys like Steve Francis and Jerome Williams come back and compete against a group of strong high major college players. At this stage, Kenner is basically a bunch of current mid-major and low-major local players plus local has-beens playing in low-level professional leagues overseas. The competition is not nearly as good as what the Hoyas will face when they go up against Big East teams and the "coaching" is typically absurd, with more of an NBA all-star feel than a real game being competed. Last year, reports out of Kenner were that Rowan Brumbaugh was a beast and Wayne Bristol was going to have a huge year. While I'm still a Brumbaugh fan, many of the same people toasting him during Kenner season were ready to send him packing by the end of his first real college basketball season. To me, the 2024-2025 Hoyas would be better served getting stronger, in better shape, and working on their fundamentals instead of playing lazy, playground-style Kenner ball against bad competition. " Last year, reports out of Kenner were that Rowan Brumbaugh was a beast and Wayne Bristol was going to have a huge year. While I'm still a Brumbaugh fan, many of the same people toasting him during Kenner season were ready to send him packing by the end of his first real college basketball season" I don't agree with this a LOT of folks we're not happy when he left. Earlier in the season yes...
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Post by sweetness on Jun 17, 2024 12:28:37 GMT -5
I don't agree with sitting them at all. Young guys should always play Kenner - it's organized hoops, and that's definitely a way to get better. Quality of the league seems to vary year to year: last year was down a bit, hopefully this year will be better.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 17, 2024 12:20:37 GMT -5
Kenner only lasts 5 weekends or so. Seems to me you can do S & C and also play in Kenner. It's not an either or situation. I would think that the games would break up the monotony of only S & C during the summer. Of course you can do both, but at this point, what are the positives associated with Hoyas playing in Kenner League? The level of competition is poor and the play is sloppy. The highest likelihood of results is picking up bad habits and injuries. Fun. Anyone who's played on a team sport and have been through such drills in preparation for an upcoming season always want to just play. Good for morale and if you're picking up bad habits in Kenner, the coaching must stink anyway!😀 Plus, always a good opportunity to chat with Chvotkin.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 17, 2024 12:18:20 GMT -5
Kenner only lasts 5 weekends or so. Seems to me you can do S & C and also play in Kenner. It's not an either or situation. I would think that the games would break up the monotony of only S & C during the summer. Of course you can do both, but at this point, what are the positives associated with Hoyas playing in Kenner League? The level of competition is poor and the play is sloppy. The highest likelihood of results is picking up bad habits and injuries.
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Post by kghoya on Jun 17, 2024 12:06:41 GMT -5
Kenner was great when all of the incoming freshman played together on the Tombs alongside two returners. Since then, meh.
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Post by hibernatinghoyafan on Jun 17, 2024 12:04:55 GMT -5
This roster not middle of pack the big east is always loaded it’s what the other teams have. This group will be better than last season, but not enough improvement for 2 season. Cooley has to show more. Can he get a top 25 player. And 4/5 top 75 recruits? Until then you can’t compete in the big east . I see 13-14 wins that’s not good enough. Might as well go to aac or mid majors. It’s sad this university can’t win anymore. Sad. We have 5 top 75 guys on this roster in Sorber, Peavy, Mulready, McKenna, Epps with other 4* kids being Williams and Fielder. We have a ton of highly ranked kids with the other 3 being a top 25 transfer (Mack), and then two 3* kids in Williams and Burks. Last year we could/should have won at least 6 BE games - X (H&A) Providence (A), and Seton Hall (H). Every other team has gotten worse on paper except Creighton/X and we’ve gotten significantly stronger. I don’t think it’s objectively unreasonable to assume that we could/should win 6+ BE games if we should/could have last year with a better conference and a significantly worse team. That’s just my 2 cents. I’d say my happiness/contentment floor for the upcoming season is 8-12 in the BE. Players needs to step up and we need to get lucky and have a young guy/project step up and significantly outplay his perceived ranking. Still really want a center but if the Fielder and Sorber combo at the 5 can just be mediocre in the BE then I love our guards and wings ability to win us some games.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 17, 2024 12:04:04 GMT -5
Kenner only lasts 5 weekends or so. Seems to me you can do S & C and also play in Kenner. It's not an either or situation.
I would think that the games would break up the monotony of only S & C during the summer.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 17, 2024 11:42:49 GMT -5
I will be interested to see how English handles him this season
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