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Post by badgerhoya on Sept 27, 2007 9:05:08 GMT -5
Great games by Favre and McNabb. Packers got lucky there--they were more worried about Favre tying the TD record than winning the game--how else to explain throwing the ball four times on their second to last possession, including two separate possessions where they had the ball on the 1 inch line. I particularly enjoyed the 4th down play where they had Farve alone in the backfield with 5 receivers when the nose of the ball was practically on the goal line. If Rivers had hit a wide open receiver on 3rd and 3, the Chargers win that game (or if Norv had given the ball to the best RB in the league--that might have worked too). While I think there was a little more than luck involved (you don't need a ton of luck when you're playing a Norv-coached team), I have to admit that I was about to throw a shoe thru the TV when I saw that 4th down play... which was similar to what they tried to do in the 1st qtr. Ugh. In any event -- congrats on the Deadspin link. Admittedly, there'd be justice in breaking both records at the Dome -- as long as in the end the green and gold go to 4-0.
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 1, 2007 21:16:46 GMT -5
A few random notes on yesterday's games -
Morton Andersen kicked four field goals? Somewhere George Blanda is smiling.
Browns beat the Ravens - the entire city of Cleveland had to be smiling over this one. Could it be a prelude to an Indian championship?
Devin Hester is sick. As are the Bears, but not in a good way. Giving up 34 in the fourth quarter is never a good thing.
The Chargers - oy vey, oy vey, oy vey. Like I said last week, firing Marty and hiring Norv Turner was the boneheaded move of the year.
Giants - Twelve sacks against the Eagles? What's the league record for sacks in a game? McNabb must be seeing stars.
Tony Romo has a snap go over his head, retrieves the ball 33 yards behind the line of scrimmage and proceeds to run for a first down. I wish I could have seen that play.
The Raiders are ahead of the Chargers. I think the apocalypse has arrived.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 7, 2007 21:42:21 GMT -5
You stay classy Travis Johnson:
Texans defensive tackle Travis Johnson spoke out against Dolphins quarterback Trent Green after Sunday's game, accusing him of a dirty hit on the play that caused Green to suffer the concussion that knocked him unconscious.
Johnson, who rose to his feet after being blocked by Green, stood over the motionless quarterback and began taunting him. Johnson was penalized for the play.
After the game, Johnson went into a heated monologue about Green, who made the block at Johnson's knees. Apparently, Johnson did not care at all that the same play caused Green to be put on a stretcher and taken to a local hospital.
''At 12:01, I had a lot of respect for Trent Green,'' Johnson said. ``At 12:20, I said [expletive] Trent Green. To hit my knee like that, that's uncalled for. He's like the scarecrow -- he wants to get courage while I'm not looking and hit me in my knee instead of trying to hit me in my head. God don't like ugly -- you know what I mean?
``My knee ain't never hurt like it hurt today. When I was up in the air, looking at the ceiling, I was wondering what was going to happen if I came down on my head. It was a dirty play. Football's not like that. If you want to hit me, hit me in my shoulders, not my knees. That just showed what type of man he is.''
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Post by vcjack on Oct 7, 2007 22:50:54 GMT -5
What a way to match the INT record Favre ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh and nice challenge/2 minute offense
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Post by kchoya on Oct 7, 2007 23:26:41 GMT -5
What a way to match the INT record Favre ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh and nice challenge/2 minute offense What was the deal with stomping his foot 52 times before snapping the ball. Wouldn't you want to speed that up?
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Post by RDF on Oct 7, 2007 23:36:13 GMT -5
What a way to match the INT record Favre ;D ;D ;D ;D Oh and nice challenge/2 minute offense What was the deal with stomping his foot 52 times before snapping the ball. Wouldn't you want to speed that up? He had a new center in there and when he was lifting his foot--he was trying to get the kid to snap the ball--the kid was in over his head and really wasted time--but Favre's BUMPKIN pass re-appeared--the INT to Urlacher and it changed game--not only did Bears score--but McCarthy got nervous about letting Favre throw it downfield and cost Packers the game.
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Post by badgerhoya on Oct 8, 2007 9:06:54 GMT -5
What was the deal with stomping his foot 52 times before snapping the ball. Wouldn't you want to speed that up? He had a new center in there and when he was lifting his foot--he was trying to get the kid to snap the ball--the kid was in over his head and really wasted time--but Favre's BUMPKIN pass re-appeared--the INT to Urlacher and it changed game--not only did Bears score--but McCarthy got nervous about letting Favre throw it downfield and cost Packers the game. Honestly, the pass was only one of a long line of problems in the second half. They couldn't stop w/the penalties, they got waaaay to conservative after piling up a ton of yards, and, to echo your point RDF, with Jennings gone for a good chunk of time and Jones dropping two, it seemed as though they'd forgotten how to throw the deep ball. To be honest, I thought when they didn't try too hard to go for the TD at the end of the 1st, that was probably the turning point in the game, rather than the INT. McCarthy just nutted up.
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Post by FewFAC on Oct 8, 2007 9:35:24 GMT -5
Memo to Brett Favre: Suck it!
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Post by vcjack on Oct 8, 2007 23:11:29 GMT -5
They REALLY need to change the timeout before the kick rule, when complete idiots like Dick Jauron start using it you know its an issue. I dislike the 'boys but what a hell of a comeback
And Tony Romo is well on his way to being the next Favre by putting another 5 INT's up on the board
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Post by RDF on Oct 9, 2007 1:08:30 GMT -5
I had no rooting interest in tonight's game--but what was with the cheerleading ESPN was doing for Buffalo? Pretty pathetic that Kornheiser had to be the professional/impartial guy in the booth.
BTW--this game was over in Cowboys favor the minute Thurman Thomas was on screen and talking it up about Buffalo/Cowboys matchup. ;D
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Oct 9, 2007 11:16:21 GMT -5
I weep for the Bills. I've never been so up-and-down in the same game as in last night's. Seeing Thurman and Kelly on the sidelines was incredible, and I felt that this game had the potential to exorcise just some of the many Vaqueros de Dallas-related demons that those two have. The first half was exhilarating, as was the kickoff return, but doubt never ceased gnawing at my hope as I realized that the Buffalo offense, despite new super-QB Trent Edwards' best efforts (later Loss-man!), couldn't punch it into the end zone. The INT when it seemed the offense was finally going to put 7 on the board was a killer, but the INT following it for the defense was fantastic. Still, doubt continued when the D dropped several easy INTs in the second half, topped off by McGee's nail-in-the-coffin drop. I should have known to turn the TV off as soon as the Bills started winning over Kornheiser and company--there is no better jinx than winning over skeptical announcers (don't listen to RDF...these guys weren't fawning until the Bills had earned it). An aside: how GOOD is Jaws?
In the end, it came down to special teams, the one facet of the game in which the Bills are almost always stellar. Moorman is the best punter in the business, and people laugh at Bills fans for liking him so much until they see just what he can do to a game. McGee and Parrish are awesome return men, and McGee showed that again last night. Lindell is pretty good, despite the miss last night. When it really counts, though, when everything is on the line in a huge game, the Bills special teams never cease to shock the team with the worst play at the worst time. 1991...Norwood. 2000...Music City Debacle. 2007...Monday Night Onside-Kick Flub (need to work on that name). As soon as that happened, I (along with all Bills fans, I suspect) felt that I was holding onto the edge of a cliff with only my fingertips, knowing that I was about to fall. There was still that shred of hope, but the inexorable advance of doom was filling the room.
Ughhh.
That said, I'm off to petition the NFL to reduce game time to 59:58, retroactive to the beginning of the season. Once my man Goodell has pushed this rule through, I'll be feeling a lot better about my 3-2 Bills.
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Post by RDF on Oct 9, 2007 12:09:06 GMT -5
I weep for the Bills. I've never been so up-and-down in the same game as in last night's. Seeing Thurman and Kelly on the sidelines was incredible, and I felt that this game had the potential to exorcise just some of the many Vaqueros de Dallas-related demons that those two have. The first half was exhilarating, as was the kickoff return, but doubt never ceased gnawing at my hope as I realized that the Buffalo offense, despite new super-QB Trent Edwards' best efforts (later Loss-man!), couldn't punch it into the end zone. The INT when it seemed the offense was finally going to put 7 on the board was a killer, but the INT following it for the defense was fantastic. Still, doubt continued when the D dropped several easy INTs in the second half, topped off by McGee's nail-in-the-coffin drop. I should have known to turn the TV off as soon as the Bills started winning over Kornheiser and company--there is no better jinx than winning over skeptical announcers (don't listen to RDF...these guys weren't fawning until the Bills had earned it). An aside: how GOOD is Jaws? In the end, it came down to special teams, the one facet of the game in which the Bills are almost always stellar. Moorman is the best punter in the business, and people laugh at Bills fans for liking him so much until they see just what he can do to a game. McGee and Parrish are awesome return men, and McGee showed that again last night. Lindell is pretty good, despite the miss last night. When it really counts, though, when everything is on the line in a huge game, the Bills special teams never cease to shock the team with the worst play at the worst time. 1991...Norwood. 2000...Music City Debacle. 2007...Monday Night Onside-Kick Flub (need to work on that name). As soon as that happened, I (along with all Bills fans, I suspect) felt that I was holding onto the edge of a cliff with only my fingertips, knowing that I was about to fall. There was still that shred of hope, but the inexorable advance of doom was filling the room. Ughhh. That said, I'm off to petition the NFL to reduce game time to 59:58, retroactive to the beginning of the season. Once my man Goodell has pushed this rule through, I'll be feeling a lot better about my 3-2 Bills. The announcing was far from impartial--and you are a Bills fan correct? There were many things not even discussed--as Jaws was too busy hating the Cowboys--not because of the Bills but him being a former Eagle--and Tirico was obviously pulling for Buffalo--just listen to the booth as Dallas rallied--sounded like a funeral was taking place. I am a Jaworski fan--he's excellent in breaking down film and telling things as they are--but last night was a poor telecast from him. All I can say--Trent Edwards being compared to Tom Brady by Jaws for simply throwing Checkdowns is comical. The guy is better then Losman--but that isn't saying much. Edwards is tantalizing--watching him at Stanford-he'd show flashes of brilliance but had two weaknesses---he'd often make stupid mistakes when Cardinal were in games/had chance to make a game--which he did last night with throw in flat which was picked and cost Bills an easy FG at least. He also doesn't respond well when getting hit. No QB likes to get hit--but it's part of the game and watch how he plays after taking a shot--everything will be a checkdown--aka Bills gameplan. He's better then Losman--but this talk from Jaworski was comical--you'd have thought Montana was out there--the Bills offense produced 3 pts in a game Dallas had 6 turnovers--it's not impressive and cost them the game. My favorite line of last night's game came from Michelle Tafoya when Romo had been awful in 1st Half and there was 41 seconds left with Bills attempting a 54 yard FG--and she says "Brad Johnson just took out the ear piece and is putting on his helmet"--hinting that Brad "Checkdown/None Yard Pass" Johnson was coming in--well I'd hope he'd be putting on his helmet--after the FG is missed and Dallas had ball--he's the holder for FG's--and there is no way Romo was coming out--the guy has to play. Tafoya just proved why sideline reporting and uninformed/ignorant to the game people should not be wasted in a telecast. Know the situation and know your football. I think NFL should institute a new rule-if a kicker makes the FG after the "last second timeout" strategy--they get to turn to the opposing team's bench--flip them off without fine/punishment. It would be great for the game. I have no problem with the "icing" strategy--just feel that players on field should have to make the timeout call--which would allow the kicking team to see what is about to happen--instead of this stuff from sideline. Jouron's Freddy Mercury look was priceless after the kick was good and hope Berman, Steve Young, and all of the other biased media at ESPN loved the outcome. "Nobody circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills" and Young can go pluck his eyebrows some more. This was type of game he and his overrated 49er teams would squeak out in that awful division for years and yet he criticizes Dallas for how they played--and not for how they found a way to win? A win is a win--ugly, pretty, by 1 or by 100. If this was another team--it'd have been slurped to no end. As for the Bills-impressed with their defensive front--their WR's are outstanding--they've got a fine RB in Lynch, and Jason Peters is a BEAST. They get a QB--which Edwards could be--but needs a lot of work--if Dallas didn't give Bills 21 points-then we'd have learned a lot more about him last night because he'd have been forced to make plays/show what he's got--but didn't see what everyone else did--thought Dallas defense dominated Bills and his checkdowns were nice but he's going to have to get the ball downfield. Physical tools are there but still question his decision making based on what I saw at Stanford and his toughness after getting pressure/hit.
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Post by bubbrubbhoya on Oct 9, 2007 12:37:19 GMT -5
The announcing was far from impartial--and you are a Bills fan correct? There were many things not even discussed--as Jaws was too busy hating the Cowboys--not because of the Bills but him being a former Eagle--and Tirico was obviously pulling for Buffalo--just listen to the booth as Dallas rallied--sounded like a funeral was taking place. I am a Jaworski fan--he's excellent in breaking down film and telling things as they are--but last night was a poor telecast from him. All I can say--Trent Edwards being compared to Tom Brady by Jaws for simply throwing Checkdowns is comical. The guy is better then Losman--but that isn't saying much. Edwards is tantalizing--watching him at Stanford-he'd show flashes of brilliance but had two weaknesses---he'd often make stupid mistakes when Cardinal were in games/had chance to make a game--which he did last night with throw in flat which was picked and cost Bills an easy FG at least. He also doesn't respond well when getting hit. No QB likes to get hit--but it's part of the game and watch how he plays after taking a shot--everything will be a checkdown--aka Bills gameplan. He's better then Losman--but this talk from Jaworski was comical--you'd have thought Montana was out there--the Bills offense produced 3 pts in a game Dallas had 6 turnovers--it's not impressive and cost them the game. I don't think you quite get it, RDF. The Bills are a franchise, separated only a decade from its glory days, that is now mired in perpetual failure. The only hint of success since Jim Kelly was snuffed out summarily by that insufferable double-chin sporting good ol' boy, Wade Phillips (know him?), who sent Doug Flutie packing for the quarterback of the future, Rob Johnson. Since then, the Bills have been somewhat of a joke league-wide. Do they have a steady revenue stream? No. Any chance of holding on to talent? No. Hideous uniforms that bear no relation to the handsome uniforms of the past (excepting the great alternate unis they sported last night)? Yes. Whatsmore, in case you hadn't noticed, the franchise is based in BUFFALO, NEW YORK! The Bills are the ONLY thing worthwhile in these people's lives outside the Sabres. Combine all these factors, and you have a team that is hard to root against. A team like this evokes Matt Dillon's line in Something About Mary: "Those goofy bastards are about the best thing I've got going." How could a non-Vaqueros de Dallas fan resist rooting for the upset last night when it could be the lone brightspot this millenium for the Bills? The announcers, especially Kornheiser, made it quite clear before the game started that the Bills had no chance, and ESPN must have been delighted to see the fight Buffalo had in them. Ratings alone would dictate that the announcers talk up the Bills, but I'm sure that the feel-good quality of the Bills' performance infected the announcers, and they were more than happy to be able to talk about such a scrappy group. They were watching a real life version of the Little Engine That Could, except the hill was raised an extra 10 feet, an addition that the Little Engine, um, couldn't. Your Vaqueros de Dallas-rooting ego might be bruised by the slight from the ESPN guys last night, but don't worry, RDF, next week things will be back to normal. There will be plenty of slurping of the Cowboys, Tony Romo (who may be the first Cowboy I like after his postgame interview yesterday...he's a good guy), Wade "Double Chinned Team Ruiner" Phillips, and the rest of the gang before they get shellacked by the Patriots. As for this week, shut your generously sized yap and let the Bills have their dubious glory...they might not get it for another 13 years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2007 13:29:05 GMT -5
How are you having a Bills discussion without someone who's been a seasons ticket holder since the early 80's and was there last night for yet another game the Bills led for 60 minutes only to lose after the clock struck zero? RDF - no offense, but some of your takes on the Bills are horribly off. First of, Jaws is from Depew, NY. A suburb about 2 minutes from downtown Buffalo. If anything, he was homering it up for his hometown team... not "hating on the Cowboys" because he played for the Eagles. Outstanding receivers?? Please. The Pats have outstanding receivers. Evans is a league-wide star on other teams (as Eric Moulds would have been in his prime), but the Bills have had trouble getting him the ball all season. Reed is turning into a solid, reliable possession receiver, and Parrish has become expert at catching these little screens or swing passes less than 5 yards from the line of scrimmage and making guys miss for gains of 10-15. But outside of Evans, there is NO deep threat. There are NO big receivers (they are all under 6-foot), making it significantly difficult for ANY Bills QB to find someone in the red-zone. To call them "outstanding" is hyperbole worthy of Jaws or Tirico. Jason Peters - I love the guy, his pass protection is making him one of the best tackles in the game... but he can't blow guys off the line of scrimmage when the Bills need a simple yard or two. And that's what a so-called "BEAST" would do. The reason the Bills called that horrible reverse to Parrish on 3rd and short last night was because the left side of the line (the better side... Peters' side) failed on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 earlier in the game... and a few other times this season. The guy is rapidly becoming one of the top pass-protecting tackles in the game, but has some work to do yet on his run blocking. Hardly a BEAST just yet. I'm not particularly concerned with what you may have seen at Stanford. In two games as a starter, Edwards hasn't made any mental errors. Zero. That pick in the 4th was killer, but were it not for a RIDICULOUSLY athletic play by DeMarcus Ware, the ball isn't tipped, and Newman doesn't pick it off. As for his toughness after getting hit, again.... not concerned with whatever you may have seen at Stanford, because in two starts there's nothing to indicate he isn't as tough as any other quarterback in the league. Go re-watch the game. If you think Edwards was "scared of getting hit" and was thus checking down to short passes to avoid getting hit, you obviously need to watch more than one Bills game. The reason the Bills had such a conservative attack is because the playcalling is horrible. Routes are DESIGNED to be run short or super long. With the exception of several stretches in their win over the Jets the week before (which gave Bills fans hope... before the coaches reverted back to their old ways last night, reaffirming everyone's belief they let the opponent dictate how they play the game) there's no in-between with the Bills playcalling. No intermediate routes, no TE's up seams, no curls behind linebackers... nothing. Either deep, low-percentage bombs or short passes. Gregg Easterbrook said it perfectly in TMQ - its a high school offense: hitch passes and runs up the middle. Watch more than one Bills game and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Which brings me to... The reason the Bills lost - and the reason they lost to the Broncos with no time on the clock and should be 3-2 right now - is because they have embarassingly bad coaching. Most notably Jauron and OC Steve Fairchild. I won't bore people with specifics, but for two years now, players have been robbed of SEVERAL wins by their inept coaches. The long bomb to Evans with time running out against Denver which stopped the clock and was the difference in the game, passing TWICE in the red zone when a run-run-run-FG with about 5 min left would have iced it, the horrible defensive alignment that allowed the Cowboys to set up for the winning field goal... these kind of mistakes have taken the Bills from 3-2 and contending for a wild card (their schedule is significantly easier the last 10 games of the year) and reduced them to a 1-4 team that has to go 8-3 the rest of the way to even HOPE of sniffing the playoffs. The offense didn't do much last night, but they did enough. Romo and that supposedly high-powered, "elite" offense was off the field for long stretches at times. The defense... missing two starters and two backups as well as a couple role players... played out of their minds. Special teams was decent (missed FG and not recovering the on-side kick were killers), but provided seven points. The coaching lost them that game. Period. Any other conclusion is so flat out wrong its ridiculous. Everyone in the city is KILLING the coaching today, and for good reason... they've cost the team two home victories. rubb - only thing worthwhile in our lives outside the Sabres? Quality comment there And it wasn't Phillips that sent Flutie packing... that would be Tom Donohoe (the same Tom Donohoe who BEFORE he joined the Bills said on ESPN that Flutie was head-and-shoulders better than Johnson). EDIT: Phillips played Johnson in that Tennessee game, yes... but Johnson had that game won until the Music City MIRACLE. It was Donohoe who then came in after the following season and sent Flutie packing... a terrible decision which set the franchise back at least three or four years.
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Post by TBird41 on Oct 9, 2007 13:35:00 GMT -5
How are you having a Bills discussion without someone who's been a seasons ticket holder since the early 80's and was there last night for yet another game the Bills led for 60 minutes only to lose after the clock struck zero? Buff, Everyone had just assumed you were either so hungover that you wouldn't be able to see straight until next Monday or that you'd jumped off a bridge. That being said, it's good to see you chose to live.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Oct 9, 2007 14:33:52 GMT -5
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Post by RDF on Oct 9, 2007 14:46:32 GMT -5
The announcing was far from impartial--and you are a Bills fan correct? There were many things not even discussed--as Jaws was too busy hating the Cowboys--not because of the Bills but him being a former Eagle--and Tirico was obviously pulling for Buffalo--just listen to the booth as Dallas rallied--sounded like a funeral was taking place. I am a Jaworski fan--he's excellent in breaking down film and telling things as they are--but last night was a poor telecast from him. All I can say--Trent Edwards being compared to Tom Brady by Jaws for simply throwing Checkdowns is comical. The guy is better then Losman--but that isn't saying much. Edwards is tantalizing--watching him at Stanford-he'd show flashes of brilliance but had two weaknesses---he'd often make stupid mistakes when Cardinal were in games/had chance to make a game--which he did last night with throw in flat which was picked and cost Bills an easy FG at least. He also doesn't respond well when getting hit. No QB likes to get hit--but it's part of the game and watch how he plays after taking a shot--everything will be a checkdown--aka Bills gameplan. He's better then Losman--but this talk from Jaworski was comical--you'd have thought Montana was out there--the Bills offense produced 3 pts in a game Dallas had 6 turnovers--it's not impressive and cost them the game. I don't think you quite get it, RDF. The Bills are a franchise, separated only a decade from its glory days, that is now mired in perpetual failure. The only hint of success since Jim Kelly was snuffed out summarily by that insufferable double-chin sporting good ol' boy, Wade Phillips (know him?), who sent Doug Flutie packing for the quarterback of the future, Rob Johnson. Since then, the Bills have been somewhat of a joke league-wide. Do they have a steady revenue stream? No. Any chance of holding on to talent? No. Hideous uniforms that bear no relation to the handsome uniforms of the past (excepting the great alternate unis they sported last night)? Yes. Whatsmore, in case you hadn't noticed, the franchise is based in BUFFALO, NEW YORK! The Bills are the ONLY thing worthwhile in these people's lives outside the Sabres. Combine all these factors, and you have a team that is hard to root against. A team like this evokes Matt Dillon's line in Something About Mary: "Those goofy bastards are about the best thing I've got going." How could a non-Vaqueros de Dallas fan resist rooting for the upset last night when it could be the lone brightspot this millenium for the Bills? The announcers, especially Kornheiser, made it quite clear before the game started that the Bills had no chance, and ESPN must have been delighted to see the fight Buffalo had in them. Ratings alone would dictate that the announcers talk up the Bills, but I'm sure that the feel-good quality of the Bills' performance infected the announcers, and they were more than happy to be able to talk about such a scrappy group. They were watching a real life version of the Little Engine That Could, except the hill was raised an extra 10 feet, an addition that the Little Engine, um, couldn't. Your Vaqueros de Dallas-rooting ego might be bruised by the slight from the ESPN guys last night, but don't worry, RDF, next week things will be back to normal. There will be plenty of slurping of the Cowboys, Tony Romo (who may be the first Cowboy I like after his postgame interview yesterday...he's a good guy), Wade "Double Chinned Team Ruiner" Phillips, and the rest of the gang before they get shellacked by the Patriots. As for this week, shut your generously sized yap and let the Bills have their dubious glory...they might not get it for another 13 years. I am NOT a Cowboy fan--I was when Jimmy Johnson was coach but that is due to the Miami Hurricane connection. I like some of the Cowboy players but view the NFL very impartially. TV ratings? The Cowboys get ratings and are a draw no matter how good/bad they are. People tune in to see them win/lose and the reasoning you gave is wrong. Kornheiser means nothing--nobody takes him as a credible analyst, so what he says doesn't matter. It's the NFL--not college football-and "upsets" aren't nearly as dramatic during 16 game season. You reasoning above that point was great to read and gave a good laugh. Jaworski being from the area--great--you think he'd act like that if Bills were hosting the Eagles? Doubt it. He was a homer for Philly when they played Skins the 2nd week of year too--and that blew. I love Jaws breaking things down--but if he's going to be a friggin homer--which ESPN encourages--I would rather him return to the studio and break down film. Buff--you've seen Trent Edwards play how many games? I've seen him since he was a HS player-which are shown via FOX Pacific and he's same QB throughout. He's going to tantalize you and then you'll be looking for something better. Is he better then Losman? Yeah--but so is Chris Leak and you know how I think of him. Edwards will be a fine "Game Manager" and if Bills build right team--that will be good enough. Considering Peters played TE in college at Arkansas--he's developing fine. He's going to be one of the finest players at his position within 2 years--and he's already a superior pass blocker as you pointed out. Bills WR are good enough to win with--would you like some variety? Sure--but you can win with Evans, Parrish, and Reed-WR's can only run routes--they can't throw the ball. Besides--since Jaws has annointed Edwards "Brady-like"--he won't need a star WR corps--as we know New England had small group of average guys--and flourished. Coaching--I understand and buy that 100%--but to say the WR's are not good enough--no way--these guys are fine. You can always get better at any position--but they aren't hurting the Bills team. Again--players are what they are--and seeing someone for years--I'll stick to what I've seen--and if Edwards develops into more--good for him, Bills, and their fanbase. Key is at some point he's going to have quit finding ways to contribute to losing--which he's known for--dating back to HS--and find ways to win games. Again-knowing how bad the QB situation has been--I can see why you are enthused--but I'm just telling you--watch out for the Trent Edwards kool aid--it's been his MO since HS, show flashes of brilliance, and then come up with something that makes you wonder where the guy who made those plays went.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Oct 9, 2007 14:47:25 GMT -5
i thought the bills made a huge mistake trying a 54 yards field goal with 41 seconds left in the half. lindell missed and dallas turned the great field position into a field goal of their own as the half ended. i know there were plenty of crazy things that happened causing the bills to lose, but they handed dallas 3 points at the end of the half.
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Post by hifigator on Oct 9, 2007 15:24:39 GMT -5
I am neither a Bills nor Cowboys fan. I was so glad when Emmitt left so that I could sever all ties with Dallas. I haven't been able to stand them since Jerry Jones took over, even though I rooted for them with Aikman, Irvin, Novacek, JJ, etc.... but because of Emmitt. That being said, the receiver from the Bills that I am very familiar with is Josh Reed. He is very capable but has been somewhat of a disappointment. Whether or not that is because of poor quarterback play or not, I would defer to Buff since he certainly knows more about them than any of the rest of us. In any case, Josh Reed should be a star player and he may yet become one, but he pretty much has all of the tools except for a 6'4" frame. He runs good routes, has excellent hands and is not afraid to go over the middle. I fully expected him to be a 90-100 catch a season guy coming out of LSU, but he hasn't had the consistency yet. I know the injury slowed him down a couple of years ago, but from what I have read he has been healthy since.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2007 15:26:02 GMT -5
RDF - don't put words in my mouth.
Show me where I said the WR's were bad or "not good enough" to win. Guess what - I didn't. I didn't say the WR's were bad at all, just that they weren't "outstanding," as you said. I took issue with your use of language, that's all. I 100% agree they are good enough to win with... but if you think they're outstanding, watch more Bills games. Like I said, they are good, but predominantly at the little niches they fill. Parrish and Reed aren't deep threats, they plus Evans are all smaller which kills the passing game in the red zone... I actually love all three of them (hell, I even said Evans would be a league-wide star on another team) and think they're a very good trio, but they aren't outstanding or elite as a corps by any means. That was your Jaws-esque choice of words, not mine. Further, re-read my post - I never even insinuated the WR's were costing them games, placing that solely on the coaching. I actually led a paragraph with "the reason they lost" and then talked about coaching. Not sure how much more clear I could have made it... not sure where you came up with that.
As for Edwards, nobody is drinking the kool-aid. Nobody in Buffalo thinks we've got Tom Brady. Nobody in Buffalo thinks we've got Peyton Manning. What we DO think we have is a QB who is significantly better than the others on the roster, Bledsoe when he was here... pretty much everyone since Kelly. There are two elite QB's in the league, so I (and pretty much everyone else) realize Edwards isn't going to light the league on fire. But its clear from two starts he can win games. After last night, that includes big games. I'm enthused for him - as all Bills fans are - but we're a realistic bunch. We aren't expecting anything John Elway-esque. Gimmie competent coaching, and with this roster he'll be a QB that can get the team to the playoffs... and that's where this franchise needs to start. Don't mistake the fluff from the network broadcasting dopes for the opinion of Bills fans or myself.
EDIT: And don't backtrack on Peters. You said he was a "BEAST," now you're saying he's developing fine. THAT I agree with 100%.
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