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Post by TigerHoya on Sept 18, 2006 19:59:36 GMT -5
Still waiting on the ACC to follow suit and suspend Ron Cherry's crew. They already apologized to Clemson for the refs missing a block in the back on the 96 yard kickoff return by BC to start the 2nd half. Weren't they the Miami-FSU "We're gonna do a replay for the hell of it, we're tired" crew? Is anything in the ACC good this year? Next thing we're gonna find out the FSU Cowgirls have been replaced by the Golden Girls or something. Yeah, they were the Miami-FSU crew. If they replaced the FSU Cowgirl skanks with <A HREF="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bands.lsu.edu%2Fgolden_girls%2Findex.php&ei=8EAPRZikEaSWgQKMhtDGDQ&sig=__XrPGkalxkKEj9avmBSoLUbzRrZY=&sig2=gavbsrhC3FcWUfFmV7UsfA">these Golden Girls</A> I might not complain. At least the PAC 10 is giving the ACC refs some cover this year since ACC refs were the most overturned last year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2006 10:41:57 GMT -5
I did catch the end of that Oregon-Oklahoma game and it sure looked to me like an Oregon player touched the ball first and before it went ten yards, but as the rule is written the video evidence was not indisputable just because of where the cameras were positioned. It WASN'T indisputable? Did you SEE the replay? The Duck player CLEARLY touched the ball... you could tell in real-time AND via every single replay ABC (or whomever was broadcasting the game) showed. EDIT: To wit: sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2593564 Also glad to see they mentioned the HORRIBLE pass interference call. Its a sad day when you're yelling at the TV because you know the rule book better than the refs.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 19, 2006 10:52:40 GMT -5
Buff, you could tell that the Oregon player touched the ball but because of the angle the cameras were coming from you couldn't tell for certain that it hadn't gone the ten yards. You and I know that it "almost certainly was at nine yards but since both he and the ball were in the air and the cameras were not directly on the yard line then it wasn't 100% certain.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2006 11:53:26 GMT -5
Not sure what you were watching, but on the live broadcast EVERY ANGLE THEY SHOWED made it clear the ball had not gone the requisite 10 yards. I'm not just saying that to be argumentative, hifi, I'm being serious... every single one they showed indicated the ball had gone all of 7 or 8 yards.
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Post by TigerHoya on Sept 19, 2006 14:15:26 GMT -5
II even saw one video that indicated whether they touched it early or not, Oregon didn't actually recover.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 20, 2006 22:22:58 GMT -5
Buff (and Tiger ...) I will defer to you guys on this one.
You both doubtlessly saw both different and additional angles than I did. And in fairness, I was not ... shall we say ... completely sober at any of the chances that I saw the play ... at least not that I remember.
Seriously, I am certainly not trying to defend the officials in any way ... in fact I think I have made it quite clear that I am generally not an "authority figure" ... whether such authority be an umpire, a referee or an officer.
Besides, I am not exactly an "expert" on topics based on/revolving around/ or specifically involving that which I didn't see in the first person. Even on Saturday, we were tailGatoring and watching the games "old school" with rabbit ears and were only seeing highlites anyway.
Besides, both of you know a lot more about football than I do anyway ... at least if it doesn't involve the Gators.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 21, 2006 13:13:31 GMT -5
Week 4 picks for games that matter:
Georgia Tech over U Va. (Thursday) Nevada over Northwestern (Friday) Va. Tech over Cincy Clemson over UNC Michigan over Wisconsin Louisville over K-State in a surprisingly close game UGA over Colorado (Buffs fall to 0-4) Washington over UCLA Texas over Iowa State Cal over Arizona State Bama over Arkansas Ohio State over Penn State (but Tressel-ball keeps it close) UTEP over New Mexico in the Rio Grande Championship Washington State over Stanford Kansas over S. Florida SC over Arizona BC over NC State Notre Dame over Michigan State (must win for Irish BCS hopes?)
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Post by TigerHoya on Sept 21, 2006 13:34:16 GMT -5
I think NCST and BC could be an upset to watch for.... I doubt it happens... but the game is in Raleigh and Amato's butt is on the line right now and BC has had two tough OT games in a row at home.
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Post by RDF on Sept 21, 2006 14:29:17 GMT -5
I like Arizona to give USC a tougher game then expected. I think USC will struggle a bit until they find a rotation at RB they like and on the road--in a game Stoops has been gunning for all offseason, watch for this to be a possible upset/closer game then most think. I know Zona was worked over in Baton Rouge, but at home they are tough, and I just don't like how USC's offense looked last week--very unsettled and no rhythm.
Amato is done--he's going away from his "clown getup" and that has proven he was a fraud who was trying to act cool/loose and is really a jerkoff loser--which those of us who know of his recruiting tactics have known for a longtime. Nothing like bringing a story of former Cane Marlin Barnes into living room of recruit/parents and mentioning how Barnes had been brutally murdered. Whatever happens to this guy is not enough punishment in my opinion.
I like UCLA over Washington--Ben Olson is a dead ringer for Matt Leinart in how he looks in a uniform/throws the ball minus fact he wears #7--it's eerie how much he resembles Leinart.
Troy will give Nebraska fits
Texas rolls over Iowa State-who has best QB in Big XII but no talent at WR spot to show him off
Oklahoma whines their way to win over Middle Tennessee State
Charlie Weis and Boys eat their way to close win over Michigan St
Cincinnati has chance to upset Va Tech--I think Hokies stink but will be better once Ike Whitaker takes over at QB.
UGA gets their 3rd straight shutout over Colorado
Cal over ASU
Michigan--the REAL BEST TEAM in Big 10 over Wisconsin big (Wolverines are better on defense then OSU)
Ohio State wins by 3 TD's over a bad Penn State team
Clemson--Best team in ACC--rolls over UNC
Bama-Arkansas has feel of one of Arkansas's 6/7 yearly OT clashes--and I like Hogs in a bit of an upset here--even with True FR QB, just a hunch their game against USC pays off here and they pull an upset--but Bama defense is tougher then nails.
BYE outscores Miami in "Clappy Bowl"--Kyle Wright throws 4/5 yard passes against space and Canes only put up 10 points. Game will outdraw the scheduled game next weekend against Houston as Miami's fanbase resembles an empty Orange Bowl as long as Coker is in charge---watch out for Stink McTurdburglar BYE's fine Coach to lead them over Clappy this weekend.
Bobby Bowden makes a moron out of himself in game against Rice this weekend. Something about food and just being senile, he'll be having to apologize for something after this game. Jeff Bowden will puff his chest out this week about "figuring out some things" on offense after FSU hangs a bad defeat on the Owls too.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 21, 2006 15:22:04 GMT -5
Yeah I think you're right about the SC/Arizona game, RDF. The 'Cats aren't back to being a solid Pac-10 program just yet, but Stoops has them on the verge. And as you mentioned, the entire desert has been gearing up for this game since last spring. In the end I think SC has too much talent to lose a close game, but I expect a close football game in the first half.
I like Ben Olson too, but U-Dub has been playing a big boy schedule while UCLA has been winning ugly over Rice. I think home field + better game experience gets Washington the win.
Watched a lot of Iowa-Iowa State last weekend and it's not that Iowa State's receivers have bad hands, it's just none of them have enough speed or size to be big-play receivers. Which doesn't make a lot of sense if you've got a big-play QB.
You know the ACC better than I do, but is it really that likely Whitaker takes over this season at Va. Tech? Glennon has been doing a servicable job against the cupcakes based on the box scores. I haven't actually watched a Hokies game on TV this season so I don't have much more to go on.
Houston Nutt better hope Mitch Mustain is the real deal. He's been given a long leash and I doubt even Nutt lover Frank Broyles, much less Hog Nation, will tolerate a third straight bowl-less season.
Rice improved immediately after Coach Ken "the option will never die" Hatfield resigned, but even FSU can put up 35 on the Owl defense. Look for Rice to score more points against FSU than Miami did, however. BTW, LMAO re: Miami getting beaten by BYE.
I really think K-State has a shot at Louisville this weekend. The game is in Manhattan, and after coming out flat in their first game the Wildcats have dominated cupcakes FAU (45-0) and Marshall (23-7) on the defensive side of the ball. These are still Snyder recruits, so K-State has talent on defense. The question is whether the offense can get things done. Much like SC-Arizona I think Louisville comes out on top in the second half in a tough road test, but I almost called an upset in this game.
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Post by TigerHoya on Sept 22, 2006 8:25:47 GMT -5
Don't mention Ken Hatfield unless you want a rant that never ends from me and most Clemson fans.
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Post by RDF on Sept 24, 2006 0:54:31 GMT -5
I'm officially a moron for my "Troy will give Nebraska fits" comment--good grief could I have been more wrong? And UCLA was ready to blow out Washington and instead, they "COUGED" it-which is Pac 10 lingo for blowing a lead and game they should've won. Credit Willingham and Huskies for making progress though. Great call by Austin on "Tressel Ball" rearing it's ugly head--and with Paterno pulling a Bobby Hurley in '91 Championship game aka "Bobby Had Diarrhea"--coach K comment--that was befitting this game. Anthony Morelli is garbage. Derrick Williams is a very overrated player, and Penn State was GIVEN that game if they wanted it--they didn't and OSU wins but score didn't show how awful Buckeyes played--they will NOT win a title or even get to Championship game if they play like this. Colorado showed so much grit/heart, they deserved to win--but didn't. Still they are in right direction now and will gain more from this game then beating some stiff, directional school would've done for them. Good job to their kids and Coach Hawkins. Bret Meyer's career is being wasted in Ames--if that kid was Texas's QB-they'd be a threat to get to back to back BCS Title Games. Fine player stuck among slow footed guys who can't get open against better athletes. Does USC ever attempt to throw deep? If they don't change their approach soon, they'll get beat. Everything is to flat/short and still not sure what I think of John David Booty--not sold at all. Houston's win over Oklahoma State was great for two reasons. 1. Houston's AD made mention a few years ago during Miami game how they wanted to build their program by playing people and not cream puffs. They want to be like Texas, Oklahoma, Miami, (at the time that is for latter two programs) then they'd have to play them and see what makes them great and try to get to that level 2. Oklahoma State plays nobody in non conference schedule except Houston--they lost and deservedly so. They are an embarrassment to Big XII for who they schedule and most Big XII teams do a fine job of non conference scheduling--Okie State is the exception to this. Houston now takes a 4-0 record into Orange Bowl and I think they can beat Clappy's bunch of Canes. Hope they do too-because I want Coker gone to get Miami back to where it belongs. If he doesn't lose to Houston, then he's got a shot of running table and getting to ACC Title game-and possibly a BCS Bowl--and that would keep him around and prolong the inevitable--a need for new coach/direction of program. FSU dismantles Rice and I have a friend who is a big Nole fan call and say "Order is Restored--we're back to dominating"-my goodness how loony are things in Tallywacker? OUCH. Saw Xavier Lee play and just have to ask--why doesn't he play ahead of Weatherford?? It's not as if FSU runs an offense, so why not put the better athlete and playmaker at the position? Another great day of CFB and as you can see above--I'll leave the prognostication to others as nothing I said was very accurate.
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Post by TigerHoya on Sept 24, 2006 10:35:37 GMT -5
I think NCST and BC could be an upset to watch for.... I doubt it happens... but the game is in Raleigh and Amato's butt is on the line right now and BC has had two tough OT games in a row at home. Not sure I expected to be right on this one but I'll take it. One more BC loss will probably happen now too. Biggest games left for Clemson are GT and VT later on in the season for the division race (that and exorcising the demons of Wake on the road.)
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Post by Filo on Sept 24, 2006 14:07:27 GMT -5
Nice call and win, Tiger. Very glad to see it. And the way it happened has to be pretty demoralizing for BC. Excellent.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 25, 2006 1:51:02 GMT -5
RDF, if it makes you feel any better I predicted a close game between Louisville and K-State. Haven't watched the recording yet but my understanding is the game was never really close.
Other comments:
Watched part of the Thursday night game and UVA is embarrasingly bad this season. The ACC might as well have run Looney Tunes in the Thursday night slot -- that would have been more interesting to me.
James Davis is going to be the best running back in CFB two years from now. And he's pretty damn good already. Screw Kenny Irons, insert Davis into the Heisman race.
Minnesota's loss to Purdue begins a long Big Ten schedule for the Gophers, culminating in Glen Mason's termination.
Didn't get the CU-UGA game here, but it demonstrates that there are very few truly bad I-A teams, and the Buffs are certainly not terrible despite their 0-4 record. They'll do okay in the Big 12 North this season (not well enough to be bowl-eligible though). Really would have liked to have seen CU move the football to the 50 on that last drive to see if Mason Crosby can really make a 67 yard field goal in a game.
Really really really want to see more of the same from Ohio State next week in Iowa City, partly because tOSU is overrated, partly because I have tickets for Iowa-Michigan in Ann Arbor in October.
If Petrino wants to beat WVU this season, he should start by watching the WVU-ECU game tape. The Pirates held Steve Slaton to under 100 yards (80) and an average of 3.3 yards per carry.
Wake Forest 4-0? Complete and total mirage. Which will last for one more week because the Deacs play Liberty next.
Anybody catch Chris Leak coming into the game to throw an INT at the goal line after Tebow marched the Gators down the field? The QB semi-controversy escalates?
Left my friend's house early in the 4th quarter of Michigan State-Notre Dame and was SHOCKED to learn the Irish came back and won the Spartans choked the game away. Question for the board: was that pick-six on a 3rd and long? Because there's really no other reason to call that play at that point in the game at that field position with a wet football. At least this game put to bed the theory, widely repeated after week one, that Notre Dame's defense is vastly improved/marginally good. The Irish are entering the easy part of their schedule which makes me loathe their contract with NBC. Purdue and UCLA are the only teams before USC with a shot at hanging another L on Notre Dame.
Looks like the Army-Navy game might actually be decent this year, with Army giving A&M trouble last week and beating Baylor in Waco this week.
Was actually in Houston Saturday. Cougars got the top fold of the Chronicle sports section on Sunday, partly because the Texans stink, partly because that was a really, really huge win. If Houston can knock off Miami, rest of the schedule is a breeze excepting @ Southern Miss and maybe Tulsa at home. Might there be two former SWC teams busting the BCS in '06?
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Post by TigerHoya on Sept 25, 2006 8:39:30 GMT -5
Hopefully Davis stays for another two years.... rumor is he may leave next year. For a frame of reference for his family's economics - he went to the same HS as Jamaal Lewis.
Kenny Irons should have a big night this week against the team that ran him off. Wonder if Lou (who ran him off) will give him a helmet sticker if he has a big game?
Duke-VA is on the Lincoln/Raycom ACC game this weekend. My guess is that the Blue Devils win it.
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 25, 2006 13:23:35 GMT -5
There's some real consternation with the UCLA faction here in LA over the play calling by the Bruins. I saw or heard little of the game because it was Rosh Hashanah and I was otherwise occupied, but I did happen to hear UCLA's last field goal, and former Bruin QB and current commentator Wayne Cook was all over them for their play calling in the red zone. Nothing but run-run-pass, resulting in nothing but field goals. And there was more on that in the LA Times on Sunday. If they continue to play like that, Dorrell is (deservedly) going to be on the hot seat again.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Sept 25, 2006 13:25:38 GMT -5
The pick six in the Irish-State game was on third and kinda long. Not 3 and 18 or anything. I think 3rd and about 7 or something like that. I think.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 25, 2006 13:38:00 GMT -5
The pick six in the Irish-State game was on third and kinda long. Not 3 and 18 or anything. I think 3rd and about 7 or something like that. I think. Thanks, that's been driving me crazy. Only saw the replay on a crummy bar TV and failed to note the down/yards to go.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 25, 2006 13:40:35 GMT -5
Hopefully Davis stays for another two years.... rumor is he may leave next year. For a frame of reference for his family's economics - he went to the same HS as Jamaal Lewis. Who does Clemson have coming in at QB after Proctor leaves? Thinking that may influence Davis's decision.
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