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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 8, 2007 23:42:28 GMT -5
Troy Smith--hope you get your degree son--you were lost as lost can be and tonight cost you big time--if you can't handle the speed/looks UF gave you--what will you do at Next level? Gino Toretta, Sugar Bowl '93 = Troy Smith, NC '07. Goodnight, Mr. Smith. See you somewhere around the 7th round of the draft.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 9, 2007 0:22:42 GMT -5
And nice to see the rest of the SEC fans are claiming this win as theirs on blogs and message boards around the country. Big 11 Sux! Couldn't handle an SEC defense! Sheesh.
Great win for Florida. Much credit to Coach Meyer, Chris Leak, and the Florida defense. Gators likely just established themselves as a solid program for the next decade.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 9, 2007 1:37:08 GMT -5
Congrats to Florida and our resident Gator Troll.
This game further solidifies my desire for a tourney. Not that the Gators aren't a deserving champion, but that things like the polls and every pundit out there was so completely wrong about who the best teams in the country were. Michigan and Ohio State are utter crap, but if there were a playoff, we'd still be looking forward to Louisville-Florida and USC-Boise State and a real title game.
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Jan 9, 2007 7:02:24 GMT -5
hifi, i was completely wrong. congrats on the win.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 9, 2007 14:01:16 GMT -5
I wonder if there has ever been a worse performance by a top ranked team in a national championship game. Less than 100 yards in total offense? Congratulations to Florida. Even their most ardent backers couldn't have anticipated that. But please, spare me the talk about how great the SEC is. To me, what this college bowl season established, aside from proving that OSU and Michigan were grossly overrated, is that college football is inscrutable. To wit: Sure Florida demolished OSU, but Wisconsin beat Arkansas and Penn State beat Tennessee. So what does the one game really prove? SEC went 5-3 in bowls, which is good, but not spectacular. Big East was 5-0, which is great, but does anyone really think that means the Big East was the best conference? At least the conference did what it was expected to do (since all 5 teams were favored), but I don't think we can go beyond that. Everyone pretty much agrees now that the Big 10+1 was terrible. Yet, Iowa and Minnesota, the two teams I thought were the worst representatives of the major conferences, both nearly won, with Iowa almost beating Texas in San Antonio and Minnesota losing only after establishing an enormous lead against Texas Tech. So does that mean that the Big 12 was also terrible? Maybe so. In retrospect, it's too bad that the USC-LSU game that was almost the Rose Bowl didn't come to pass. That might have been a great game. Finally, remember to lay the points against UCLA in whatever bowl game they show up in next. The Bruins under Karl Dorrell have been favored in all 4 appearances, and are 1-3 not only against the spread, but straight up. Nice job, Karl! Then again, I guess that's better than the Flaming Irish have been doing lately.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2007 16:23:48 GMT -5
I've always wondered... why do FANS deserve any congrats when their team wins? I wouldn't expect anyone to congratulate me if the Hoyas won anything. I didn't do anything to help the win, nor did any other fans (except YB... he got Esh fired).
Always seemed a bit ridiculous to me.
Thank god Florida won. Now I don't have to hear it from my tOSU fan friends for the next decade...
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Post by Boz on Jan 9, 2007 16:25:15 GMT -5
I've always wondered... why do FANS deserve any congrats when their team wins? I wouldn't expect anyone to congratulate me if the Hoyas won anything. I didn't do anything to help the win, nor did any other fans (except YB... he got Esh fired). Always seemed a bit ridiculous to me. Thank god Florida won. Now I don't have to hear it from my tOSU fan friends for the next decade... Duly noted come Stanley Cup season, Buff.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 9, 2007 19:24:15 GMT -5
My opinion, LSU was 2nd best team in country at the end.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jan 9, 2007 22:27:57 GMT -5
I was a little surprised - why didn't Bosie State get to take pictures with the national championship trophy - aren't they the only undefeated team left?
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 9, 2007 22:58:30 GMT -5
My opinion, LSU was 2nd best team in country at the end. FWIW, I heard while watching the Kentucky-Clemson stinkfest (sorry, Tigerhoya) that the Kentucky players almost to a man felt that LSU was the best team in the SEC. Of course, LSU did lose to Florida. I think #2 should have been either LSU or USC, which is why I mentioned that a game between those two teams could have been a dandy. And having seen what a giant egg tOSU laid, I am even more delighted than ever that UCLA knocked off the Trojans, since had that not occurred, USC would almost certainly be hoisting another trophy.
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Post by RDF on Jan 9, 2007 23:49:39 GMT -5
I've always wondered... why do FANS deserve any congrats when their team wins? I wouldn't expect anyone to congratulate me if the Hoyas won anything. I didn't do anything to help the win, nor did any other fans (except YB... he got Esh fired). Always seemed a bit ridiculous to me. Thank god Florida won. Now I don't have to hear it from my tOSU fan friends for the next decade... Well this congrats was mainly so we members of this site didn't have to endure 100 seperate threads and love poems dedicated to this win/game. Consider the "fan" who is being congratulated and then re-think your post Buff.
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Post by HealyHoya on Jan 10, 2007 15:34:09 GMT -5
Seven weeks off...
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Post by hifigator on Jan 11, 2007 15:25:58 GMT -5
Ah, it's great to be a Champion again!
As to the comment: "even the most ardent of fans couldn't have seen this coming" ... I would disagree to a point. Obviously if I were to say that I foresaw us winning by 27 points and holding OSU to under 90 yards I would be somewhat facetious. I did however see us winning the game. I saw us moving the ball on them and saw us giveing their offense all kinds of fits. I was very fortunate on Sunday. We went to the Wynn Hotel and Casino, which neither of us had ever been inside. It is really nice. Anyhow, the prop bets came out while we were there. I was a total homer. I got Florida to score first (loss), Florida to score last (winner), Percy Harvin to get game's first TD at 10:1 (loss), Florida to go OVER 19.5 points (winner) and OSU to go UNDER 27.5 points (winner). But the big one was Florida to win by 12 or more points at 10:1. My buddy and I split fifty bucks on that one, winning a cool $250 a piece. I was very fortunate on that, to be in the right place at the right time.
As for the SEC, we were 5-3 in bowls ... before Monday night ... we finished at 6-3!
The SEC was clearly the best conference and any suggestion otherwise is purely rubbish.
Wisconsin did beat Arkansas and they deserve credit for the win. But they were held to 180 yards while giving up more than twice that. Arkansas lost because of 2 factors: they had about 130 yards in penalties and they gave up a blocked punt for a touchdown. That all counts and a win is a win and a loss is a loss, but it would be hard to consider that as a feather in the Big Ten cap. In the Tennessee-Penn. St. game, the score was tied at ten and Tennessee was driving when a flukish play happened. As most saw on Sportscenter if nothing else, the Vol running back was stopped after a short gain and then the ball squirted free, and just happened to bounce the right way. A Nittany Lion scooped up the gift wrapped football and scampered down the sideline, for all intents and purposes winning the game. The other SEC loss was Bama, and they were outplayed by Oklahoma St. in a fairly entertaining contest. But Bama was 6-6 and represented the ninth place team in the SEC.
As to LSU being the "best" team right now, I am sick and tired of that kind of silliness. I know most of you have stopped short of going that far, but many of you have said that LSU or USC "deserved" to be number two. That is exactly the same kind of crap that Vol fans said several years in the nineties. We would beat them early in the year, but since we finish with FSU which was top five team in those years, we would lose on the road to them normally. Tennessee, on the other hand, always finishes with Vandy, Kentucky and Memphis, virtually assuring 3 wins in November. They would babble almost every year about how they were the best team in the SEC. They would also clamour endlessly about moving the Florida game to later in the year. We beat LSU and it really wasn't that close. Yes, the game was at home, and I wouldn't argue with you if you were to say that they were the best team we beat all year, including OSU. In any case that would be debatable. As to the USC arguement, how quickly you forget the UCLA game. I know it is a rivalry game and I know that UCLA was at least a decent team, but you can't just blindly dismiss the loss to the Bruins because they then went out and played a complete game against Michigan.
In any case, it is a great time to be a Gator!
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 11, 2007 15:41:03 GMT -5
If you saw the Penn State game, you wouldn't chalk it up to that flukish play. Tony Hunt summed it up best after the game, "They didn't seem like they really wanted to tackle me."
The fumble and return helped, but Tennessee had plenty of chances. By the end of the game, you can tell they were tired of getting hit. The SEC is still the best conference, but the Penn State win wasn't a fluke.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Jan 11, 2007 15:56:05 GMT -5
As for the SEC, we were 5-3 in bowls ... before Monday night ... we finished at 6-3! The SEC was clearly the best conference and any suggestion otherwise is purely rubbish. hifi, your team won the National Championship. I know old habits die hard, but you don't have to apologize for the Southeastern Conference. At least until next fall. Now, let's take a look at those six wins. 1. Kentucky beat Clemson in the Turnover Bowl 2. South Carolina outgunned CUSA Champ Houston 3. Va. Tech fell apart against UGA 4. Auburn ground one out against Nebraska 5. LSU crushed the Notre Dame sacrificial lambs 6. Florida walloped Ohio State Outside of the Gators' win, I didn't see much to convince me that anyone who argues against the SEC being the best conference in the land is full of rubbish. Besides, as we have previously discussed, bowl games are oftentimes not an accurate indicator of anything.
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 11, 2007 16:28:58 GMT -5
Hifi, I said LSU might have been the second best team in the country - meaning behind Florida.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 11, 2007 16:55:13 GMT -5
As for the SEC, we were 5-3 in bowls ... before Monday night ... we finished at 6-3! The SEC was clearly the best conference and any suggestion otherwise is purely rubbish. hifi, your team won the National Championship. I know old habits die hard, but you don't have to apologize for the Southeastern Conference. At least until next fall. Now, let's take a look at those six wins. 1. Kentucky beat Clemson in the Turnover Bowl 2. South Carolina outgunned CUSA Champ Houston 3. Va. Tech fell apart against UGA 4. Auburn ground one out against Nebraska 5. LSU crushed the Notre Dame sacrificial lambs 6. Florida walloped Ohio State Outside of the Gators' win, I didn't see much to convince me that anyone who argues against the SEC being the best conference in the land is full of rubbish. Besides, as we have previously discussed, bowl games are oftentimes not an accurate indicator of anything. My point with regards to the Tennessee game was simply that it was a hard fought and very close contest that essentially hinged on one somewhat flukish play, not that Penn State was flukey in some way. Penn St. did enough to deserve to win for sure and I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. As for the general view of bowl games, I pretty much agree. Obviously the title game means a great deal, but the rest of the bowls are largely unimportant. Still, we have to base arbitrary comparisons on SOMETHING. And there simply isn't enough of a sample during the regular season. As for specific SEC teams, Kentucky winning was very impressive even though Clemson fell apart down the stretch. You say Va. Tech "fell apart." Well, that depends on how you look at it. They played far better early and Georgia played far better later. As for LSU, I agree with the suggestion that Notre Dame had no business being in the game and that therefore the Tiger victory is somewhat suspect. But remember, the victory over that very same Irish team was one of only two feathers in Michigan's cap, the other being a victory over the Badgers. I still say Wisconsin is tremendously overrated, but they did finish 12-1 so you have to tip your hat to a degree in any case. easyed, I wasn't singling you out in particular, but I heard numerous people leading up to the game talking about how LSU was a better team than Florida. Even after the Championship I heard a couple of people say that LSU would beat Florida today if they played. I tip my hat to LSU and I know they are a quality team. Even losing Russell, I am fully confident that they will be a Championship contender next season as well.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 11, 2007 21:51:31 GMT -5
To my knowledge, no one on this board suggested that either LSU or USC belonged in the championship game over Florida. The references to those teams being number two was for the final poll. Behind Florida. I think that was quite clear.
In addition, hifigator, if you would get your head out of the clouds (its placement there being totally understandable), you would note that my reference to USC was that they would certainly have been the national champion had they beaten UCLA. Which they didn't do.
Finally, I think it was clear that my reference to even Florida's most ardent supporters not expecting what occurred clearly referred to Florida's total domination of Ohio State, not their simply winning the game.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 12, 2007 15:15:12 GMT -5
Fair enough, although I was in the minority of those who not only predicted a Florida victory but actually believed it would happen. It was really a combination of several things. First that we were going to be totally at full strength for the first time since the Tennessee game (aside from Marcus Thomas who was dismissed from the team). Urban Meyer has proven his ability to get top notch performances out of his teams following extra time off and he has done this everywhere he has been. And lastly, unlike most everyone else that almost intangible "matchup" issue worked in our favor. I honestly thought that our spread offense would lessen the effectiveness of their defense while their spread would only accent our speed advantage on defense. Lastly, all year our weakest link was clearly our field goal kicker. Now even though it was only one kick, I thought it would pay huge dividends if need be, and I was right. Hetland nailed 2 forty plus field goals while the game was still in doubt in the first half. And being up 20 is a lot different than 14, not to mention the fact that had he missed either one of them, Ohio St. would have started in excellent field position, not to mention the emotional let down the Gator team would have had. The bottom line, and as silly as it might sound, when Hetland made the field goal against Arkansas and the Razorbacks drove down and missed theirs, I could almost sense that one missing piece of the team unity puzzle falling into place.
In any case, you are correct about my head being in the clouds, and yes, rightfully so.
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Post by hifigator on Jan 12, 2007 16:25:28 GMT -5
RDF wrote:
I still like Ohio State in this game-think the matchups favor them and Tressel is a strong coach in Championship games--prepping his team in this situation-he did it at Youngstown State, he's done it at Ohio State, and despite long layoff, I expect Ohio State to win. Sometimes the longer time between the game/seeing opposing team play, the media can convince you that what you saw from the other team (Florida) all year didn't really happen and that they are some "superpower". Gators grinded it out and have to be respected for that, but I just can't erase the image of Chris Leak's poor play in almost every game I've seen UF play this year out of my head--you can only make so many bad decisions that Dallas Baker makes a great play to bail you out, or a QB drops a sure TD on QB sneak and fumbles, etc.... and eventually you have to play ball. I like Ohio State passing against Florida-and I like their defense against Leak. If Gators are to win--they will run it down OSU's throat--but I don't see a back on their team capable of that--they are a finesse running team.
Buckeyes by 10-14 tomorrow.
I'll fix it for you:
RDF meant:
I still question Ohio State in this game-think the matchups don'tfavor them and althoughTressel is a strong coach in Championship games--prepping his team in this situation-he did it at Youngstown State, he's done it at Ohio State, you could say the same of Meyer. And despite the long layoff, I don'texpect Ohio State to win. Sometimes the longer time between the game/seeing opposing team play, the media can convince you that what you saw from the other team (Florida) all year didn't really happen but in this case they are some "superpower". Gators grinded it out and have to be respected for that, ... eventually you have to play ball. I like Ohio State passing, but not against Florida-and I like their defense but not against Leak, and the rest of the Gator offense. If Gators are to win--they will run it down OSU's throat, and pass it all over the field as well.--but I don't see a finesse running team doing that successfully against the Buckeyes, so it is good for Florida that they are both smart and strong.
Buckeyes score only 10-14 tomorrow(Jan. 8th).
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