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Post by RDF on Sept 5, 2006 13:08:55 GMT -5
Grandpa Clappy strikes again All I can say is that Randy Shannon's defense was good enough to win with--but it's not as if they are a great defense. FSU's awful offense led by Jeff Bowden made them look better because Lorenzo Booker is a terrible RB and so is FSU's OL--however not as bad as Miami's which is a disgrace to the game. I've never seen so many Canes out of shape too--Andrew Bain is a slob. He's just fat and doesn't do a thing. All I can say is it'll be interesting to see if Shannon gets promoted to HC or if they go outside of program because Clappy is going to get canned--bad football team that will lose 3 other games at minimum this year. Again--it was BAD FOOTBALL and anyone who thinks either team is a Championship caliber team is in need of help--it's not always great defense--sometimes it's awful offense and this was one of those nights as was last year. FLHoya or Miami Hoya--any further comments on state of Canes under Clappy? I agree with most of that. The game just begged the question was it good defense or bad offense. I think it was quite a bit of both. One point I will disagree with you on though: I think that Lorenzo Booker is very talented. And that is damn near impossible for me to say, as complimenting a Seminole is akin to treason. Well you also like Chris Leak--so the #1 QB and #1 Ranked RB's as Booker was are your cup of tea, that's cool. I think both lack a lot of what it takes to be big time players at this level, but I can say that unlike most Cane fans who despise UF, I will pull for them against FSU--I hate the Noles more. It's not that I like UF either--just hate FSU. One other thing that came from opening weekend, the NCAA has got to do away with the new "Clock Changes" to speed up the game--it's ruining the games and average of 15-20 less plays and in some cases 30 less plays--this is a game for the kids in college, with majority not going to play beyond this level. So why alter the game? Leave it as is. Just hate the time changes and even in the NFL they don't start the clock on possession changes, which is beyond moronic.
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Post by TigerHoya on Sept 5, 2006 13:47:53 GMT -5
Yeah, the clock thing is pretty much universally hated on every forum I've seen it discussed on - especially when the networks don't do a commercial after punts near the end of games.
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Post by FLHoya on Sept 5, 2006 15:36:14 GMT -5
Clearly, Kyle Wright failed to bring SexyBack. Actually his Yard Per Completion was something like 7.2, which is roughly a yard less than Ben Hostetler's against Holy Cross...saw a lot of similarities in the passing playbooks. That frightens me. Least Hostetler's O-Line isn't trying to get him killed.
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Post by miamihoya on Sept 5, 2006 18:43:06 GMT -5
I think both lack a lot of what it takes to be big time players at this level, but I can say that unlike most Cane fans who despise UF, I will pull for them against FSU--I hate the Noles more. It's not that I like UF either--just hate FSU. I agree there...i feel pretty much indifferent toward UF most the time, but FSU is a pure hatred. Unfortunatley they will lose to UF, probably Clemson, and some other terrible conference opponent, and still end up playing for the ACC championship, because they have no competition in their division. Hopefully Miami can recover from yesterdays embarssment and make it there too (I dont think it will be tough, with Vtech as the closest competition and Louisville the only ). At least that way we can avoid another summer of arrogant Noles claiming they are on a "two game winning streak".
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Post by 757hoyafan on Sept 5, 2006 19:30:25 GMT -5
I disagree w/the poster that said Randy's defense isnt that good as for the last few years he has really really reshaped the "D" w/less individual talent. look @ our 00-03 "D" the run defense was horrible even though he had atleast 5 first rd picks between the squads..
they need to bring Butch back
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Post by hifigator on Sept 6, 2006 13:52:23 GMT -5
RDF, just curious what it is that you don't like in Booker. FSU played tandem running back last season with Washington and Booker splitting time. Another RB got significant carries as well, but I can't remember sho that was. In any case their running game as a team leaves a lot to be desired but from what I have seen Booker has good vision, speed, elusiveness and balance.
As for your Leak comments, we covered this already. There are some questions about Leak, mostly as it pertains to his fit in Meyer's spread, but I think all of the Leak critics are a bit overzealous.
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Post by RDF on Sept 6, 2006 14:25:11 GMT -5
Booker can't run between the tackles, he goes down if someone breathes on him, he's got some moves but he's not the 4.3 guy that he claims--often caught from behind, he's not strong, he's a chicken you know what, and he's a poor pass blocker when blitzes come--other than that, I think he's great.
Also forgot to mention his diatribe about how he's "equal/better to Reggie Bush but just hasn't had the opportunities to show this"--which is funny because didn't Reggie Bush split carries with LenDale White? Also, this is coming from a kid who turned USC down--along with Notre Dame--but turned USC down because they were "not worthy of my talents and a second tier program".
Booker is just not a big time player. Big time players make defenses gameplan for them at all times, and make differences in programs/games. What does Booker do? I realize that your offensive line is a huge factor in your success and your passing game as well--and of course coaching--BUT, I've seen big timers carry teams on their backs before without those elements--hell Adrian Peterson is doing this now at Oklahoma and did it last year with one good leg.
Kids make mistakes in life-choosing an offensive system run by Jeff Bowden over one of Norm Chow isn't a mistake--it's an example of showing you know nothing about football. He chose his path--and to show the bitterness/selfishness he has about Bush's success is petty, and shows his lack of character. It's about him--not the team and he got the ball enough to show his talents--which are highly overrated and partly due to fact he played no competition in HS--the same thing happened to Whitney Lewis a WR who signed with USC, and an OL who signed with Notre Dame and never plays.
I think Todd Blackledge summed it up best the other night--he's still running like a FR--he dances, doesn't hit holes, and shows no vision/toughness between the tackles. He runs like a great HS RB who never has adjusted to equal/superior talent he's facing, same thing happened with Nick Maddox and many, many other HS players--especially RB's.
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Post by VelvetElvis on Sept 6, 2006 14:25:38 GMT -5
On 9/16 the Volunteers will end the day in victory and the fat orange monster will eat a celebratory feast the likes of which have never been seen!
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Post by hifigator on Sept 6, 2006 15:33:20 GMT -5
RDF, fair enough. Honestly since I despise the Seminoles, I rarely watch their games ... unless they are playing us or as a marquee TV game like on Labor Day, so my first hand info is somewhat limited admittedly. Accordingly I am probably slightly a victim of the media hype and at least down here he has been getting some pretty good pub. But from the limited playing time that I have seen of him he has been a very good open field runner. I haven't even noticed pass blocking one way or another, but there are certainly some very good running backs who never excelled in that area. As to attitude, I don't remember ever reading those quotes but if they are valid then I would certainly question his attitude. But in any case he picked the right school for that kind of me first attitude.
Lastly, your comments about great runners carrying their team even without a good line was very poignant and reminded me of one of our greats. A certain man named Emmitt Smith would fit inthat category. Now granted he ran behind a top notch line most of his years in the pros but in college our line was average at best from 87-89. To make matters even more difficult, the rest of the team was very limited as well. Literally 90,000 people knew that Emmitt was going to get the ball, including the 11 men on the other side of the line of scrimmage, yet somehow Emmitt made them miss. I still remember watching and marvelling at his skills. I don't know how many times the play would look something like this:
"Emmitt deep in the eye, takes the handoff and there is nowhere to run. Emmitt Smith stacked up in the backfield. 2nd and 4."
I mean it was amazing. Even when he didn't seem to be gaining any yards it would somehow be 2nd and 4 to go. One of his abilities was to always fall forwards and get that last yard and a half or 2 yards. But I digress ...
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 6, 2006 18:38:12 GMT -5
Lastly, your comments about great runners carrying their team even without a good line was very poignant and reminded me of one of our greats. A certain man named Emmitt Smith would fit inthat category. Now granted he ran behind a top notch line most of his years in the pros but in college our line was average at best from 87-89. To make matters even more difficult, the rest of the team was very limited as well. Literally 90,000 people knew that Emmitt was going to get the ball, including the 11 men on the other side of the line of scrimmage, yet somehow Emmitt made them miss. I still remember watching and marvelling at his skills. I don't know how many times the play would look something like this: "Emmitt deep in the eye, takes the handoff and there is nowhere to run. Emmitt Smith stacked up in the backfield. 2nd and 4." I mean it was amazing. Even when he didn't seem to be gaining any yards it would somehow be 2nd and 4 to go. One of his abilities was to always fall forwards and get that last yard and a half or 2 yards. But I digress ... Hey. NO. NO. This is The " 2006 In-Season College Football Thread." not the "Gator Memory Thread." You've already gotten one CFB thread shut down this fall -- if you want to have a Florida football Edited go do it on a Gator board. Otherwise please stick to current CFB results and make any past season references relevant and brief.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Sept 6, 2006 19:26:32 GMT -5
I might be wrong but I think Chow was still w/NC State when Booker signed.
Gator, are you impressed w/Percy Harvin? the local cat is a monster.
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Post by hifigator on Sept 7, 2006 12:51:29 GMT -5
Austin, stop trying to cause trouble. My short comments were totally in context with a very valid point which RDF brought up. I was aggreeing with him and giving short personal experience illustration of why. Nuff said.
757, at the risk of more criticisms hurled my way .... yes, Harvin is going to be special. I said that coming into the year after I saw the footage of his kick/punt returns from High school. He really has that special something in the open field. I was a bit surprised that he got as much pt at WR however, but now we know why. Enough on that topic ... Buff or Austin would doubtlessly object.
Lastly, Elvis no, I am not ignoring you. If you are interested in a friendly little wager on your opinions then we might be able to "dance."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2006 13:17:08 GMT -5
Enough on that topic ... Buff or Austin would doubtlessly object. What are you dragging me into this for, you ass? This is a general college football thread. Talk about college football all you want. Apparently you don't read other people's posts at all. If you did, you'd know I have no problem with, or any objection to, your posts that are on point, pertinent to the topic at hand, and don't push your UF agenda where it isn't warranted. When you stray and hijack threads by dragging the thread down with your "I'm going to talk about Florida and you're all going to like it" garbage (which you've done often), that's when we have a problem. Otherwise, ramble and rant all you want. Nobody's listening.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 7, 2006 17:01:01 GMT -5
Austin, stop trying to cause trouble. My short comments were totally in context with a very valid point which RDF brought up. I was aggreeing with him and giving short personal experience illustration of why. Nuff said. I am not trying to cause trouble -- I am trying to avoid the shutting-down of another thread I enjoy posting in. You responded to a brief aside in RDF's above post that was not crucial to your discussion, and you responded to it at length in a slobbering-over-Emmitt-in-his-Gator-uniform fashion. I have no problem with the first part of your post actually responding to RDF. And by the way, it's deep in the "I," not deep in the "eye." Sheesh. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_formationNow, how about some Week 2 picks for games that matter (including UCF at Florida, which I would not mind discussing as long as it does not contain any references to Danny Wuerrfel, who last I checked is not suiting up for the Gators in 2006). Oregon State over Boise State (Thursday) Pitt over Cincinnati (Friday) Va. Tech over UNC Rutgers over Illinois Mizzou over Ole Miss Auburn crushes Mississippi State Clemson over BC Notre Dame over PSU (tough one to pick, so I'll go w/ the home team) OU over U-Dub Bama over Vandy Colorado over CSU (gotta circle those wagons) Florida over UCF LSU over Arizona Cal over Minnesota (again, gotta circle those wagons) UGA over S. Carolina Ohio State over Texas Arizona State over Nevada Oregon over Fresno State What does this all add up to? That's right: an upset-free weekend. I'll post more thoughts on #1 vs. #2 tonight or tomorrow, but for now I'll say if Texas wins this game I believe it will again be the fault of the man in the sweatervest.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Sept 7, 2006 17:08:25 GMT -5
Ivan Maisel of ESPN suggests FSU-Miami will not play on Labor Day next season. From today's column:
Once upon a time, the rivalry between the Seminoles and Hurricanes became the showcase for college football. The teams reached mid-October with one or both of them in the top five or higher. The games surged, momentum shifting from one sideline to the other, until the winner emerged in the final minutes.
Then, in 2004, someone had the bright idea of playing the games on Labor Day night. Florida State coach Bobby Bowden and Miami coach Larry Coker love the national exposure. The loser loved the idea of having all season to make up the ground conceded in the ACC and national championship races.
There's been only one problem: The games have stunk. No, that's not entirely accurate. They have been close. But the quality of play has suffered.
Two years ago, the game wasn't even played on Labor Day night, but, thanks to the arrival of Hurricane Frances, four nights later. Miami prevailed, 16-10, in overtime. Last year, the Seminoles won, 10-7, despite gaining only 170 yards of total offense mostly behind quarterback Drew Weatherford. Florida State sacked Miami quarterback Kyle Wright nine times.
Finally, on Monday night, the teams combined for 17 first downs and 310 yards, including a grand total of three yards rushing, as Florida State held on again, 13-10.
The offensive problems of both teams have been well-chronicled. But offenses do mature as the season goes on. For instance, last season, Miami won at Virginia Tech 27-7. Florida State upset the Hokies 27-22 in the ACC Championship Game.
On Monday night, the Hurricanes introduced their new two-tight-end offense, and the running game appeared to sorely miss a fullback. Florida State had only four offensive starters who started against Miami a year ago.
It sounds as if I'm suggesting that the Miami and Florida State should move off the first weekend so that they can each schedule a tune-up the way that many of their I-A brethren do. That's not my motivation. But it's plain to see that the experiment of moving this rivalry to Labor Day night has left the rivalry a shell of what it used to be.
One thing is certain. The two teams won't play on Labor Day 2007. Miami has a contract for a game at Oklahoma on the following Saturday. If the Hurricanes kept the Florida State game on Labor Day night, they would arrive home from Tallahassee in the wee hours Tuesday, and three days later have to travel to Norman.
The Miami-Florida State game has moved to Oct. 6. Florida State athletic director Dave Hart told several reporters Monday night that the Seminoles want to keep the Labor Day slot, which belongs to the ACC in its contract with ESPN and ABC. The likely opponent is Boston College or Clemson.
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Post by TigerHoya on Sept 7, 2006 17:25:35 GMT -5
I would guess BC-FSU becomes that game. Clemson had the chance for a primetime Sunday game that weekend with Texas A&M and turned it down. Then again, I could be wrong.
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Post by miamihoya on Sept 7, 2006 18:43:41 GMT -5
Thank God for that decision...playin on Labor Day was a poor choice from day one, and its about time they realized. Yes you got the "national attention", but is it the type you wanted? Instead for the past two years (the hurricane delayed one two years ago was pretty good), the tuesday news has just been about how weak these two teams looked. I look forward to seeing them play at full strength again next year....that is after the 'Canes whoop the noles in the ACC Championship game
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Post by RDF on Sept 7, 2006 19:02:35 GMT -5
Thank God for that decision...playin on Labor Day was a poor choice from day one, and its about time they realized. Yes you got the "national attention", but is it the type you wanted? Instead for the past two years (the hurricane delayed one two years ago was pretty good), the tuesday news has just been about how weak these two teams looked. I look forward to seeing them play at full strength again next year....that is after the 'Canes whoop the noles in the ACC Championship game Got to disagree--winning ACC would mean Coker stays and as long as he's in Coral Gables, this program will continue to go nowhere but further down and away from what it was/should be.
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Post by miamihoya on Sept 7, 2006 19:18:14 GMT -5
Thank God for that decision...playin on Labor Day was a poor choice from day one, and its about time they realized. Yes you got the "national attention", but is it the type you wanted? Instead for the past two years (the hurricane delayed one two years ago was pretty good), the tuesday news has just been about how weak these two teams looked. I look forward to seeing them play at full strength again next year....that is after the 'Canes whoop the noles in the ACC Championship game Got to disagree--winning ACC would mean Coker stays and as long as he's in Coral Gables, this program will continue to go nowhere but further down and away from what it was/should be. touche....but still, I gotta keep rooting for team
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Post by FLHoya on Sept 7, 2006 19:51:57 GMT -5
That decision on ending the Labor Day series was already made, I linked to something in one of the local papers (I think the PBPost) about it over the summer. Good decision on everyone's part...not just b/c the quality of play was so bad the past three years, but b/c Miami-FSU in early October was such a defining part of the annual calendar--like for AustinHoya how Oklahoma-Texas always is.
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