Joe Hoya
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Post by Joe Hoya on Nov 21, 2004 17:11:31 GMT -5
"Ladies and gentlemen, starting for YOUR Indiana Pacers....Larry BIIIIIIIIRD!" sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1928540Artest's season is over. Wonder what effect this will have on album sales. I haven't heard anybody mention the fantasy aspect of this - Jermaine O'Neal is one of the top fantasy players in the game. Anybody have O'Neal, Artest, or Stephen Jackson on their team(s)? I'm sorry.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 21, 2004 17:21:48 GMT -5
Detroit makes out like a bandit. Their path is clear to a match-up against Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 21, 2004 18:45:01 GMT -5
Detroit makes out like a bandit. Their path is clear to a match-up against Miami in the Eastern Conference Finals. Indiana doesn't come out that bad either if they get a lottery pick out of this season.
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Nov 21, 2004 18:52:55 GMT -5
Haha... That's true, but how good is the draft going to be? The last draft was pretty weak, so if they are in the latter half of the lottery, they won't necessarily do all that well.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 22, 2004 1:16:41 GMT -5
Haha... That's true, but how good is the draft going to be? The last draft was pretty weak, so if they are in the latter half of the lottery, they won't necessarily do all that well. Yeah, but that player will still end up being better than most of those jokers on my Sixers.
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Cambridge
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Post by Cambridge on Nov 22, 2004 12:08:09 GMT -5
Let's be honest. Artest started the whole thing and deserves everything he gets. You doubt it? Let's review the facts...
1) He fouls Ben Wallace hard with less than a minute left in a 15 point blowout... 2) Wallace angered by Artest blatant attempt to injure him in a game that was long over...wheels around and shoves artest 3) This lead to a push and shove match between Pacers and Pistons 4) Artest removes himself and lies on the scorer table with a smug expression on his face while teammates restrain Wallace 5) A fan tosses a cup of ice onto Artest 6) Artest storms into the stands and attacks a fan he thinks attacked him 7) Stephen Jackson joins Artest in the stands and starts punching spectators 8) Eddie Gill, Fred Jones, Rasheed Wallace and others attempt to break up fight between Pacers and fans 9) Piston fan walks up to Artest and challenges him, Artest decks him...a second fan helping the downed fan is punched in the face by Jermaine ONeal 10) Pacers leave the floor and are showered with beer and other debris 11) Tinsley and other Pacers attempt to return to the floor, weilding a chair or a trashcan...and are restrained
So basically, Artest flagrantly fouls Wallace, backs off like a chicken while his teammates fight the pistons, then incites the ire of the crowd...then to defend his manhood he attacks fans....
What an idiot..
I know as a Pacers fan you are Editeded at having your season shot to hell, but honestly you should be Editeded at Artest and the other boneheads for being such idiots.
Punishing the fans is an interesting idea, unfortunately it unfairly punishes all of the fans for the actions of two individual fans.
1) The fan who tossed his cup should have been arrested right away and banned from the arena for life. 2) The fan who stepped onto the court, same deal
All the others...um...self-defense and nothing more. Once the Pacer's crossed the line into the crowd, those fans had the right to defend themselves...
I'll ask you this, what if in the fight, Artest or ONeal had landed a punch like Kermit Washington's and killed or maimed a fan...what then?
Similarly, what if a fan had done the same to Artest or ONeal?
My point is that situation has to be avoided at all costs, so an example must be made of the players. They are not suspended the entire Pacers team, just those who threw punches. Similarly, you can not punish all fans, just those who did wrong. The fans can be contained and dealt with individually.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 10, 2004 9:56:41 GMT -5
The whole argument that Artest backed down from Wallace due to his size is garbage. Artest is a trained boxer and weighs more then Ben. He would crush Ben. The key is, have you ever seen an NBA fight result in a blow actually connected (outside of Rudy T)?
It rarely if ever happens. Artest was trying to avoid a penalty and when that cup hit him he snapped. The penalties should be halved and we should go about the rest of our season.
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