10/27/04: NO MORE NEED BE SAID

[DFW HOYA]

#nosmileys#nosmileys

[DFW HOYA]

For The Yawkee family.
For Jimmie Foxx and Joe Cronin.
For Teddy Ballgame and 85 year old Johnny Pesky.
For Yaz and Lonborg, George Scott and the Impossible Dream.
For Fisk, Lynn, and Rice, Torres and Tiant.
For Roger Clemens and Wade Boggs.
For Bob Stanley and Bill Buckner.
For the managers: Dick Williams, Darrell Johnson, Don Zimmer, Johnny McNamara, and Grady Little.
For three generations of New Englanders (and those of us transplants whose parents and grandparents grew up there) that lost patience but never, never lost the faith.

For the greatest comeback in baseball history. Ever.

Here's to you. (Yeah, you too, Babe.)

[GUHoya07]

What a shame. I'm not even a die-hard Yankees fan but its really sad that Yankees fans won't be able to use 1918 anymore and that the curse is basically dead. Unless of course they go on another 86 year drought, Yankees fans could be chanting 2004 one day. Only time will tell, hahaha.


edit: I guess you do have to feel some kind of good sentiment about the sox finally winning it all. I feel bad for guys like buckner and of course this is nice for the Boston fans, but you have to admit that there was something really great about the curse. I guess the Babe decided his point had been made.

[DFW HOYA]

And for those who follow such things, courtesy of the Sports Guy over at ESPN.com

The Boston Celtics won their first NBA championship against the St. Louis Hawks.

The New England Patriots won their first Super Bowl against the St. Louis Rams.

The Boston Bruins won their first Stanley Cup in the modern era against the St. Louis Blues.

And the Boston Red Sox defeated the St. Louis Cardinals.

[GUHoya07]

Damn you St. Louis!!! ;D

[thebin]

The Sox win and Arafat (for those not keeping score this pig is direrctly implicated in the murder of Israeli athletes in Munich 1972) is almost dead. One of the great days of my life.

[DanMcQ]

DFW - Amen.

;D







quoting Dan Shaughnessy here:

"The largest celebration in Boston's 374-year history is expected tomorrow when the team is honored with a parade and championship ceremony.

If form holds, the Red Sox' gaudy, well-earned rings will be handed out in a ceremony April 11 when the 2004 World Series championship flag is raised above Fenway Park for the home opener.

The team in the third base dugout for that historic event? The New York Yankees.

Sweet."

[Joe Hoya]

I think the concept of "rings" has been replaced by "Championship Brass Knuckles". I mean did you see the Marlins' rings?

Then again, brass knucks might come in handy when the Sawx and Yanks next meet up. I can't wait to hear the "Year Two-Thous-and" chants start at Fenway. As a Yankee hater, that just might make my month.

[CAHoya07]

As a West Coast transplant, San Francisco Giants fan, and Yankee hater for the usual reasons, I congratulate the 2004 Red Sox on an unbelievable, captivating postseason run for the ages. Truly incredible. Hats off to them. They clearly proved themselves to be the best team in baseball this year. And as obnoxious as they are, the Red Sox may have the most faithful, passionate, and diehard fans in the game.

I'm interested to see if Boston still exists tomorrow morning... maybe the revelers burned that mother down last night. ;D

P.S. Hopefully good clean fun and no deaths or substantial injuries.

[DanMcQ]

The mob was more well behaved, and the police better organized, last night.

From boston.com this AM:

A police spokesman said there were 35 arrests made, most for disorderly conduct. Nineteen revelers were taken to hospitals and 30 were treated at the scene. And one officer was at Boston Medical Center with a shoulder injury.

At the University of Massachusetts in Amherst, campus police made about 25 arrests after students streamed out of dorms in a raucous celebration. No injuries were reported there.

[Boz]

GUHoya2007 said:

I feel bad for guys like buckner and of course this is nice for the Boston fans, but you have to admit that there was something really great about the curse.

Kind of like how other hockey fans used to chant "1940" in every arena, including Madison Square Garden? I know there was DEFINITELY something great about that, but all things - good and bad - must come to an end.

I congratulate the Red Sox for everything they've achieved. Its really kind of appropriate the way they did it. I mean, just like it took Messier and some real miracles to slay the dragon living in MSG, you kind of always had that feeling. Seeing the dramatic ways in the past in which the Sox always found defeat wherever it was hiding, it was going to take something truly monumental and historic for the hurdle finally to be overcome. I'd say this 8-game run was pretty monumental and historic.

Now, having said that, speaking as a non-Sox fan (and non-Yankees fan), but one whose entire family went to school in Boston and one who had roommates from Boston or Worcester throughout college and beyond, I might be the happiest person of all.

Between now and the beginning of next season, there is going to be nothing but good feelings, and yes, there will be a lot of bragging. But for once, FOR ONCE, when spring training begins next year, I will not have to endure the incessant "This Is Going To Be The Year" whining that has been a staple for as long as I can remember. Red Sox fans, believe me when I say many of us not in the Nation have tried our best to feel your pain, again and again. Please now acknowledge also the end of OUR pain!!

;D ;D (just kidding - well, no, not really)

Congratulations again. Jack, wherever you are, I hope its passed out somewhere with a Manny jersey clutched in your hands.

Way to go Sox. (just be careful not to win it all again next year; you'd be surprised how easy it is to go from everyone's favorite lost cause to "Evil Empire" in your own right...just look at the Patriots) ;D

[Jack]

Right here Boz, at work, wearing my Ortiz home jersey. Passing out was one option, but who could sleep when there is so much to celebrate? Still working out the details, but I will be at the parade with 5 million of my closest friends on Saturday. Right now, the whole sweep of it has me welling up every 10 minutes.

[2ndRyan]

The Israelites wandered in the Sinai for only 40 years. We had been in the wasteland for 86 years until Curt Schilling showed us the way to the Promised Land.

Unlike Moses, I hope he gets there with us. Good luck with that surgery!

[jerseyhoya34]

Does anyone else think that Schilling should have received the MVP? I think his courage should have been rewarded, and I felt like Manny, although he hit very well, did make some egregious mistakes, particularly in the field during Game 1.

[TrueHoyaBlue]

As a sox fan, I was debating the MVP question myself, both before and after they announced it. Here's the problem.

-- Ortiz was definitely the post-season MVP, in terms of numbers, and particularly his late game ALCS role. But he didn't make much noise in the World Series.

-- Schilling would have definitely been an option because of the heroic story and his pitching job in Game 2. That said, he only pitched one game, and he was one of three starters with almost identical (from the knee up) spectacular performances in the Series. It's also an issue that some people might have been tired of hearing about (and from) Schilling by the end of game 4.

-- Offensively, this team played like a team, with RBIs coming from an array of players. I thought Bellhorn deserved a shot at MVP, but I think he was one big hit away (in game 3 or 4) from reaching that status in public consciousness. Damon was similarly very good, but not overwhelmingly spectacular.

-- IMO, the MVP of the series, and the season for the Sox, was Varitek, with the way he managed the pitchers throughout the playoffs.


Manny is not a bad choice, IMO, even if he wasn't my first choice, and I think that a big piece of his getting the vote is that he probably missed out on the regular season MVP (which I think he definitely deserved) by splitting votes with Ortiz, and letting either Vlad or Sheffield steal it away.

[DanMcQ]

How could you not give the MVP to a guy who gave the following answer?

-- Jeanne Zelasko: "Do you believe in curses?"
-- Manny: "I don't believe in curses, I believe you make your own destination."

[Nevada Hoya]

DFW said:

And for those who follow such things, courtesy of the Sports Guy over at ESPN.com

The Boston Celtics won their first NBA championship against the St. Louis Hawks.

The New England Patriots won their first Super Bowl against the St. Louis Rams.

The Boston Bruins won their first Stanley Cup in the modern era against the St. Louis Blues.

And the Boston Red Sox defeated the St. Louis Cardinals.

And John Kerry of Massachusetts will defeat George Anheuser Busch of St. Louis. ;D

Congratulations to the Boston fans. I grew up in New York and was an avid NYY fan AND Boston Celtics fan (the best of both worlds). But enough is enough, the time is far past due for Boston to claim the crown of champs of MLB.

[Joe Hoya]

I was hoping I wouldn't have to deal with Jeanne Zelasko until next season. I dunno why, something about her rubs me the wrong way. She's like the Tim McCarver of studio shows, I guess.

Oh, and anyone else think that it would be appropriate to discuss the demise of the Cardinals under the "Missing Explosives" thread?

I think the St. Louis starting pitching should have gotten the MVP, personally.

[GUHoya07]

Nevada said:

I grew up in New York and was an avid NYY fan AND Boston Celtics fan (the best of both worlds). But enough is enough, the time is far past due for Boston to claim the crown of champs of MLB.

You grew up in NY and you were a Celtics fan?
Come on!!! That's terrible!!!

BOOOO FAIR WEATHER FAN!!!!! ;D

[Nevada Hoya]

I came by my allegiance to the Celtics honestly (honest!). I grew up a Holy Cross fan, since that was my father's alma mater. Two of the best Holy Cross bball players just happened to play for the Celtics - Bob Cousy and Tommy Heinsohn. My two sport heroes were Mickey Mantle and Tom Heinsohn. I still have a picture of Tommy sitting on our living room couch looking at my scrapbook of him (my father had arranged for him to come to St. Mary's HS sports night). After I went to GU, I would root for whomever had the GU players. My loyalties transcend mere geography (definitely not a UNLV or Laker fan now).