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Post by TigerHoya on May 21, 2006 15:43:27 GMT -5
17-7 with 1:11 left in the 3rd.
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Post by TigerHoya on May 21, 2006 15:51:48 GMT -5
I guess UMass is the team to pull for in the Final Four now, since I can't stand any of the other teams that will be there (I'm a novice Lax watcher so somebody tell me if I'm giving up too early.)
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Post by TigerHoya on May 21, 2006 15:54:43 GMT -5
4th goal for Paolisso with 11:08 left in the game. 17-8.
Then off the face off UVa's Rubeor gets his 5th to make it 18-8 with 10:56.
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Post by TigerHoya on May 21, 2006 16:06:34 GMT -5
20-8 with 3:50 left.
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Post by TigerHoya on May 21, 2006 16:10:11 GMT -5
About to be the 5th straight loss in the quarters, the others were by a goal.
Did the Duke game screw the seeding up? The announcer keeps whining about strength of schedule without mentioning that game.
Thanks to all the seniors.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 21, 2006 16:15:00 GMT -5
The NCAA (in one of their numerous slights to Georgetown this year) declared the Duke forfeit as a "no contest", which cost the Hoyas dearly in strength of schedule. Not that you'd get that from the WMAR-2...er, ESPN announcers.
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Post by TigerHoya on May 21, 2006 16:17:04 GMT -5
The NCAA (in one of their numerous slights to Georgetown this year) declared the Duke forfeit as a "no contest", which cost the Hoyas dearly in strength of schedule. Not that you'd get that from the WMAR-2...er, ESPN announcers. I should've recognized their voices - how does the worst station in Baltimore hands down for local programming get to carry all the ESPNU lacrosse games? Is it because they're the ABC affiliate?
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on May 21, 2006 17:09:23 GMT -5
Great catch DFW; these are the WMAR-2 announcers! Quint's not exactly a Rhodes Scholar--"UVA is an intimidating academic place." As opposed to say, GU?!? If you don't know Baltimore HS lacrosse it might be a difficult telecast to follow since that's pretty much all Quint talks about!
But the real villain here, as DFW accurately points out, is the NCAA. For both the men's and women's program. It seeds GU men #8 with a path to a UVA juggernaut while seeding Hofstra (the most overrated team of the year, 3rd and Syracuse 5th, whom GU beat this year). So SU and UMass (both of whom GU beat) get to go to Philly. I'm not saying GU's an FF team (although they were 2-2 against the teams going to Philly) but there's no way they're 8th either (more like 5-7, certainly ahead of SU). What killed GU was the Loyola loss; had they won that game, they certainly would have been seeded higher.
The way the women were jobbed was just as bad. Some non-specified violation in hosting last year's tourney (either failure to reserve hotels for the Towson team last year or a field violation, according to internet rumors) meant the women had to go on the road. No problem for Monmouth but for the women to go back to South Bend after squeaking out a close win over them here this year was a tall order. Women had a maddeningly up and down year too; exuberant OT wins over UNC and Maryland as well as nothing less than a miraculous OT win over Loyola were counterbalanced by a loss to Duke and two especially disappointing losses to JMU and BU. Nevertheless, the women have made the quarterfinals eight years in a row with 3 Final Fours and 2 National Championship appearances. One would hope with the best player in the nation returning that the GU women make a National Championship run next year.
As for the men, don't mention the word quarterfinal around them. 5th straight year they go down in the quarters and at least it wasn't by 1 goal (as it was in 3 of the four previous appearances!). I actually liked the quotes from Starsia and Urick about the current state of the program in the Washington Post today; many folks see the glass as half-empty (and I know it's hard to view this now after such a bitter blowout) but the facilities situation is improving with the MSF. DFW can go into more detail about how $$$ hampers or helps GU athletics but there is a real and urgent need for both programs to break through to the Final Four next year......
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Post by JimmyHoya on May 21, 2006 18:56:00 GMT -5
Yeesh, somebody's bitter. Bad traffic on 95 this afternoon?? Great catch DFW; these are the WMAR-2 announcers! Quint's not exactly a Rhodes Scholar--"UVA is an intimidating academic place." As opposed to say, GU?!? If you don't know Baltimore HS lacrosse it might be a difficult telecast to follow since that's pretty much all Quint talks about! I'll take Quint over Saturday's Emmer broadcast anyday. Jack's a helluva guy and done so much for the lacrosse community, but his voice is unbearable. Let's not go overboard here. There was nothing about Hofstra's season that would have told you they'd give up a 10-5 lead in teh 4th quarter. Hofstra certainly didn't look "overrated" while Unterstein was embarassing Umass' J. Reid, both before and after he got injured. It was pretty absurd though that they only won 20% of the faceoffs. They collapsed in the end, but I wouldn't call them underserving of their seed by any stretch. If anything, they should have been a #2 seed (funny how people complain about UMd getting a 2 seed before the games are played, yet now that they are scheduled to go to Philly it's somehow acceptable and Hof's the supposed slackers). Also, as much as it pains me to say it, but leave Syracuse alone. The team we picked on early this year was 1-4, was missing it's entire starting midfield and was going through the early growing pains of relying on all freshman at key positions. They had a better schedule and were a better team. Playing them next week would have been a heckuva challenge. EDIT: How pretty was UVA's offense. Yeah it hurt to watch them pump in goals like that, but it was at the very least, fun to watch if you forgot who was wearing what jersey's. Let's hope Cannon, Baird, McBride, Samperton, etc. keep improving and Braccacio makes an impact similiar to his old teammate Billy Gladding has for UVA this year because the offense needs some serious work.
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Post by LizziebethHoya on May 21, 2006 19:15:37 GMT -5
Game was hard to watch in the 2nd half. UVA has one great team and we made too many mistakes.
both men and women were screwed...but its what we had to deal with. one day we'll get to the final four....one day
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Post by FLHoya on May 21, 2006 21:37:41 GMT -5
Pretty much the only thing missing was Starsia killing a guy with a trident. Nobody's even close to UVA this year...I can't fathom how anybody is going to beat them in Philly. Right now though, if someone gave you a line of 25 for combined goals in UVA-Cuse, would you take the over or the under?
UVA's really cool to watch. Q (The "That ball's not coming out...that's a violation!" Guy as far as I'm concerned after last year) was right when he said after Kass got taken out that he'd given up 14 goals and probably only let a couple soft ones in at the most. They're brutal when you make a mistake too...and between the failed clears, TOs, and post-shots on breakaways, we made way too many. But damn they're good on offense.
When you look at the RPI, we were somewhere down in the 7-8 range before the tournament. But I just don't get how this year's 10-2 version of GU gets an 8 seed and a Navy-UVA path, and last year's team--which played almost an identical schedule but lost four games, including two we avenged this year (UMass and PSU)--got a 6 seed and a really easy first round game against Army (kinda like playing *cough* Harvard or Penn *cough*). It's not just "losing" the Duke game (I mean, Duke did beat the living crap out of us last year) or the RPI I don't think. I still believe in my conspiracy-theory mind that there's "regional" and "old boy favorite" seeding for matchups going on here...and we aren't ever gonna be sexy enough a draw to be on the receiving end of that kind of lovin'.
So maybe next year Urick should put together some kind of "we'll kick all your asses" non-conference schedule next year. Keep Maryland, Syracuse and Navy, figure out whether Duke's team exists next year (I can't imagine they'll be any good w/ all the transfers and lost recruits), then schedule some combo of Hopkins, UVA, the Canadian National Team (that'd be weird for Brodie I bet), and a team of 30 Gary Gait clones. That oughta help the RPI and get us, like, at least a 4 seed even if we're 8-4. ;D
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Post by JimmyHoya on May 21, 2006 22:11:11 GMT -5
The only difference a change in seeds would have made is that our quarter's loss might not have been a blow out.
I still contend that with the 4 FF teams and us we're only 4th overall at best.
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Post by FLHoya on May 22, 2006 0:36:30 GMT -5
The only difference a change in seeds would have made is that our quarter's loss might not have been a blow out. I still contend that with the 4 FF teams and us we're only 4th overall at best. I would have been interested to see what a GU-Cuse rematch would have looked like with the teams at their current strength. But I think you're prob. right there on the FF teams. Unfortunately we picked the Selection Committee picked the wrrrrrrrroooooooonnnnnnnggggggg QF opponent for us to pull a "not blow out" against. I don't know if you intended this to be implicit in your first sentence, but I though of it when I read it---despite the better record, I'm not sure this year's team was better than last year's. Maybe it's a push--I don't really know. Same wins over Navy and Cuse. This year we beat the PSU team by a goal that didn't make the NCAA's, last year we lost by a goal to the one that was a #14 seed. This year we beat a #11 seed and FF UMass team at home, last year we lost a 1-goal game in Amherst to the #8 or #9 seed UMass team that played whipping boy to the #1 team in the QFs.
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Post by JimmyHoya on May 22, 2006 9:59:25 GMT -5
It's hard to say what team was better.
On one hand, the talent and skills of this team overall are vastly improved than last years' team.
On the other hand, last years' team had two undeniably awesome superstars in Andy Corno and Brodie Merrill, who made up for their teams' deficiencies and more. For example: G'town's offense was poor, but they didn't have to worry about getting possession because Corno would win it or Merrill would simply shut down the top players of the opponents and take the ball away. This years' team couldn't do that. The overall depth was better, but it didn't have those superstars to put it over the hump when in need.
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Post by nychoya3 on May 22, 2006 10:26:36 GMT -5
How about going forward? Off the top of my head, we graduate Garrett and Lambe from the defense; D'Andrea in goal; Paolisso (where did he come from?), Pete Cannon, Mike White, and Keith Schroeder from middie; and Denihan from attack. However, we're bring in what should be a top 3 recruiting class (particularly if the three rumored former Duke recruits are all confirmed), which would be our second top tier class in the past three years. We also had some young guys who stepped in this year - Samperton has some nice moves, Chris Taylor stood out on defense and didn't get burned TOO bad, and some guys li
In 2003, we had three top 10 kids from the Inside Lacrosse recruiting issue - Miles Kass, Dan D'Agnes, and Scott Kahoe. Kahoe started the year on the first middie line, but couldn't find the net to save his life and got demoted (I think). We know the deal with Kass. And D'Agnes is spoken of in hushed tones by people who saw him play in HS, but he hasn't really done anything at Georgetown. Point is, all these highly touted guys need to step up and start doing things.
BTW, has anyone here actually played lacrosse goalie? Is it like 95% luck or is that just my perception of it? Kass got pulled after giving up 15 goals or something, but how many of those were even concievably stoppable? Two? Three? A guy fires it into the top corner...what can you possibly do?
Final thought is that we got screwed on seeding and ran into a juggernaut in the quarters. Virginia was fantastic in every phase, we got rattled, and it got ugly. Still, a good year and I haven't lost any confidence that Urick and Co. are going to get us some titles before the decade is through.
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Post by JimmyHoya on May 22, 2006 10:57:15 GMT -5
Kahoe and D'Agnes are ridiculously athletic and that's about all they have going for them on the D1 level. If the skills caught up with the athleticism they could really go places. Right now they haven't.
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Post by hoya4ever on May 22, 2006 17:37:32 GMT -5
Actually both Garrett and Lambe are juniors. Thank God.
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Post by nychoya3 on May 22, 2006 18:28:45 GMT -5
You're right about Lambe. Are you sure about Garrett? I could swear that he's been here for four years, but maybe he redshirted.
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Post by hoya4ever on May 22, 2006 21:12:03 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure, we are the same year and I have known him since then. edit: and guhoyas seems to agree as well. guhoyas.cstv.com/sports/m-lacros/mtt/wilson_garrett00.html you probably think he is a senior because he played in many games. he and Chris Taylor are both hard working guys and help our defense tremendously. I have never seen them stay in the box for long or not give it their all in practice.
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