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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Jul 15, 2005 10:49:44 GMT -5
If it's common knowlege in the beltway, then those foreign governments who really cared about it, and who it really mattered to, already would know. Washington has more foreign spies than any city in the world.
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 15, 2005 10:59:31 GMT -5
That is besides the point. He still acted as a representative of the administration. There is a big difference his actions and two chatty kathy's yucking it up about local intrigue at the Starbucks on Wisconsin Ave. Whether he likes it our not, he acted inappropriately and should resign.
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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Jul 15, 2005 11:03:15 GMT -5
Well, he didn't break the law. The law that forbids disclosing the name of undercover CIA operatives applies to agents that had been on overseas assignment "within the last five years." She hadn't served overseas since 1997. Where the inappropriate action?
All he did was confirm what Novak asked him. The information which Novak inquired about was apparently in the open, and was not illegal.
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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Jul 15, 2005 11:14:36 GMT -5
Let me also state that I was firmly in the "jail time for Rove" camp before this new information came out. Disclosure of that sort of information is extremely serious. However, it appears that his involvement doesn't warrant legal or other action being taken against him. I'm just tired of the attack-dog media whipping everyone into a frenzy without all of the information (I guess that's how they make the $$$). Whether it is Clinton or Rove or Dean or whoever is the latest target. Maybe I've been in Washington too long.
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 15, 2005 11:15:14 GMT -5
All he did was confirm what Novak asked him. The information which Novak inquired about was apparently in the open, and was not illegal. Exactly, he confirmed the story as a representative of the administration. It doesn't matter if the story was apparently in the open...the Bush administration themselves made a HUGE deal about the leak initially, vowing to remove whoever was responsible...and now that they have found the person --- what happens? All of sudden it's not a big deal. Typical partisan crap.
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 15, 2005 11:23:07 GMT -5
Also, is anyone else completely amused by the fact that Rove's biggest source of support is an anonymous leak in the legal profession who was briefed on the confidential testimony.
I mean, let's be honest, there is something totally Hellerian about a plot twist that revolves around the defense of someone accused of leaking confidential information being buttressed by another leak of confidentiallity. Only in Washington.
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Post by HoyaDestroya on Jul 15, 2005 13:43:35 GMT -5
i have heard that she suffered from postpartum depression and would not have been allowed to go back undercover.
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 15, 2005 13:58:43 GMT -5
Is this another famous whisper campaign from Rove's office? Wow, that cat is going to use every trick he has. Next thing you know Wilson will have a colored child born out of wedlock.
But again, does it really matter if she would have likely gone into the field again? No. Why? Because it wasn't Rove's place to determine that and he effectively did when he confimed her identity as a CIA agent.
Although I do find it funny that the party of moral certainty and black and white/good and evil absolutist rethoric is really taking to the moral relativism of the Liberal left like fish to water.
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 15, 2005 14:05:38 GMT -5
Listen, just let Karl Rove resign...so he can go off and join his real soul mate Slick Willy Clinton in starting a boutique DC Political Consultation Group -- DRS & Associates...DRS = dirty rotten scoundrels.
Let's be honest, doesn't that just feel like a better match? Those two are like peas in a pod.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jul 15, 2005 15:16:09 GMT -5
I surfed over to Fox News.com to see how they are covering the story. I found the following hilarious half-baked attempt at analysis: www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160755,00.html Lets see what we've got here: 1) Fox News asks one of their own staff members - the host of another show - to serve as an expert for the analysis. Nope, no bias of any sort detected so far. 2) The article is mistitled and shifts its focus if you read it objectively - its supposed to compare the current Rove issue to Watergate. What it really does is degenerate into a laundry list of what the writer doesn't like about the current news media. The association is clearly meant to drive at one assumption though - the news media is reporting this story - they can't be trusted in the current environment. However, the editors have realized there's a problem and they are trying these "ethical" problems so that they can never happen again. So it sort of ends up with a very contradictory analysis: a) media = bad b) media outlets are trying to fix their problems and they wouldn't stoop to using the journalistic tactics that were used to "go after" Nixon. So they manage to say: Nixon was a victim, the current media is bad, but the media surely wouldn't debase themselves by investigating the president like Woodward and Bernstein. And Ann Coulter's spin on it: www.anncoulter.org/cgi-local/welcome.cgi
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 15, 2005 15:25:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2005 15:26:52 GMT -5
I got seven or eight words into Coulter's garbage and signed off. She's Queen of the Dopes, if I've ever seen one.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 15, 2005 18:37:42 GMT -5
Wow, that is a great example of how Coulter works - lots of ad hominem attacks very little evidence to support her view point at all.
As for the post-partum depression thing - that's another great example of a GOP smear of a loyal government employee.
The issue of whether Karl Rove learned about classified information from other reporters is, IMO, immaterial - he turned around and revealed that information to two reporters who asked about it. And wheter or not he was prompted is also immaterial - he could have refused to comment on it by citing national security issues, but instead chose to talk about Mrs. Wilson's identity.
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Post by HoyaDestroya on Jul 18, 2005 8:28:08 GMT -5
post-partum didn't come from the GOP - it came from the CIA, but nice try.
To prove that I am one of the few with an open mind on this - since most of you have closed the right side of your brain along time ago... this is what scares me - if Karl Rove used knowledge gained in his official capacity (see below) to inform reporters that the Ambassadors wife worked for the CIA - i have a problem with that...
A memo prepared by the State Dept on 7/7/03 "informed top administration officials" that Plame was a CIA agent. "Seven days later," she was IDed by Robert Novak (Bloomberg).
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Post by Cambridge on Jul 18, 2005 8:43:40 GMT -5
I doubt that the CIA released that info to the public in a press release. No one is disputing it, as no one will dispute the fact that McCain did in fact adopt an orphan who was born out of wedlock...it's just the coincidence and damning way in which information such as this is distributed whenever Rove is involved that makes it suspicious.
Also, I'm a fiscal conservative and a patriot...but I am not loyal to any party and tire of the partisanship on both sides. Frankly, this whole issue stinks to high heaven. Even the merest whiff of a scandal like this taints the administration and further detracts from its reputation. I don't understand why not just cut Rove loose?
The fact is, Bush said he would fire who ever was responsible. We have now found that person. Now the administration that deals only in absolutes and looks condescendingly down at relativism...is searching for an ethical backdoor. Poor form.
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 18, 2005 15:30:30 GMT -5
Why would the CIA release the medical history of its operatives? That makes no sense. Think about it logically. Does some one from the press or white house call up the CIA and ask for and obtain confidential medical information about an operative? That's another violation of the law.
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Post by HoyaDestroya on Jul 18, 2005 15:36:33 GMT -5
that is not what i said... i said that is where i heard it from... it wasn't something i read in the paper - beltway buzz. maybe you guys should calm down a little and let this thing play out. the medical history was mentioned in a cia press release nor a gop press release!
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Post by HoyaDestroya on Jul 18, 2005 15:47:51 GMT -5
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Jul 18, 2005 15:53:15 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 18, 2005 19:01:28 GMT -5
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