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Post by Cambridge on Feb 14, 2005 13:21:37 GMT -5
Ah is this the conservative, more traditional side to the "echo boomers" that I've read so much about. They need "organizations" and "leadership" to function.
Oh where did you go unruly, drunken disorder and your cute friend totally self-destructive behavior? Come back...I'll be good, seriously. ;D
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 14, 2005 23:35:08 GMT -5
Upon recent visits, however, it seems that the campus is eerily quiet at nights and students are either going off campus in greater numbers or are deep in the library. If Georgetown is simply an 8-5 campus, much will be lost..or has it already? No! I don't want to see Georgetown turning into UNLV.
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Post by FormerHoya on Feb 15, 2005 11:41:12 GMT -5
If there is a desire and a need for frats at Georgetown, the administration will have noone to blame but themselves. The university, during my time there, consistently attempted to dismantle any fun, community oriented event. Students went off campus because they had to. From what I have heard, it sounds worse now.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 15, 2005 12:22:23 GMT -5
I can't speak for everyone here at GTown, but I haven't noticed a drop off in community since I got here in the fall of 2002. There have been lots of successful community building events and there are just as many parties as freshman year. If by going off campus, you mean, having to live in non University Housing, well, yeah, that happens, and the University screwed my class over-but I won't get into that right now. We got sacrificed so that others would stay on campus.
Anyway, the social scene is still firmly on centered at parties. We aren't a bar school (and I'm 21, so I could go-the parties are just too good) or a frat party type (only group parties) school-it's the same inclusiveness that was there in 2002 at the parties.
So don't worry about Gtown turning into UNLV. And I'm sorry if 30 people signing up for a frat doesn't make me think that GTown will become a frat school. Did you honestly think that in a student body of over 6000 (over 3000 males) that there weren't 30 people that would want to join a frat?
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Post by FormerHoya on Feb 15, 2005 13:36:20 GMT -5
Then that has changed.
Also, I guess you don't know what you are missing if you never had it, 2 Block Parties, great tailgaiting, one semester of a really fun Hoya's, strippers every evening in the dining hall...
Alright maybe that last one wasn't true, but you get the idea.
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Post by Jack on Feb 15, 2005 14:08:55 GMT -5
Every generation of Georgetown students is convinced that their experience was better than those who came after them. My generation remember Block Parties, great times at underage bars like the Cross and Chadwick's, and the last great years at the Tombs. People a few years younger than me actually lament the passing of Champs. The generation before us talks obsessively of the Pub in Leavey, groups before that say the only real Pub was in Healy and remember 18 year old drinking ages with kegs on Harbin patio for NSO, and if you go back to the 70's there were $3 Springsteen concerts in Gaston Hall and nickel beers every night of the week. The only thing I am sure of is that the class of 85 had the best basketball to watch- the rest is debatable.
Ultimately, though, people still seem to be enjoying their time on the Hilltop. I have a hard time imagining what I would have done as a freshman without a fake ID that got me into the Charing Cross, but my brother is a freshman and it does not seem to be an issue for him at all and its not like you are likely to find him in Lauinger on a Saturday night. The place changes, people get upset about the latest injustice perpetrated by some administrator, but the culture does not change as drastically as people seem to think it does. I have been around the campus for 9 years, and I am around students quite a bit, and I see people who would have been great friends to me in every class. They may find different ways of having fun than I did, but that does not make it worse.
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Post by FormerHoya on Feb 15, 2005 14:55:15 GMT -5
Every generation of Georgetown students is convinced that their experience was better than those who came after them. My generation remember Block Parties, great times at underage bars like the Cross and Chadwick's, and the last great years at the Tombs. People a few years younger than me actually lament the passing of Champs. The generation before us talks obsessively of the Pub in Leavey, groups before that say the only real Pub was in Healy and remember 18 year old drinking ages with kegs on Harbin patio for NSO, and if you go back to the 70's there were $3 Springsteen concerts in Gaston Hall and nickel beers every night of the week. The only thing I am sure of is that the class of 85 had the best basketball to watch- the rest is debatable. Ultimately, though, people still seem to be enjoying their time on the Hilltop. I have a hard time imagining what I would have done as a freshman without a fake ID that got me into the Charing Cross, but my brother is a freshman and it does not seem to be an issue for him at all and its not like you are likely to find him in Lauinger on a Saturday night. The place changes, people get upset about the latest injustice perpetrated by some administrator, but the culture does not change as drastically as people seem to think it does. I have been around the campus for 9 years, and I am around students quite a bit, and I see people who would have been great friends to me in every class. They may find different ways of having fun than I did, but that does not make it worse. Blah blah blah, Look at me I'm levelheaded and making sense... Where's the bitterness and strong resistance to change? I feel like I don't even know you anymore...
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Post by Shmerrick2 on Feb 15, 2005 15:27:04 GMT -5
W/o a true frat house, wouldn't the frat really be nothing more than a glorified drinking club, that occasionally did something charitable? It just seems that a lone "frat" would be kind of lame w/o an entire Greek system. I think one big change in the Gtown social scene is that DC Metro is really cracking down on underage drinking. Bars are a lot tougher to get into and subject to raids. I saw this increasing as I got older (and i used to get into chadwicks with a letter signed by my mom saying i was 21), and supposedly it's much worse now. I think bars are not the ultimate destination for underclassmen like I remember them being.
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 15, 2005 16:15:34 GMT -5
Yes and no. Apparently DC metro is engaged in a huge law suit with numerous plantiffs. Seems that underage drinking is merely a citation on the same level as a moving violation (ie. speeding) and a ticket is the only appropriate action. Many of those who were wrongly jailed for the evening have filed suit with the city and this has caused the city to turn a blind eye to underage drinking in recent months to avoid compounding the law suit. This reverses many years of hardline policy in the city.
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 15, 2005 16:16:57 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Feb 15, 2005 21:41:57 GMT -5
Since the drinking age was 18 (for beer and wine), underage drinking was almost a nonissue in my years at Georgetown (except for my 17 year old classmate, who always wanted to borrow somebody's id). Since there was no (or very little) driving to the Tombs, etc., the effect of drinking was mitigated by no (very few) DUIs. The only problems were caused by people getting so drunk that they would do something stupid and mainly to themselves. However, we had absolutely no (ok, maybe some people had it) alcohol on campus. Each generation was able to make their own fun.
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Post by JimmyHoya on Feb 15, 2005 21:52:51 GMT -5
and if you go back to the 70's there were $3 Springsteen concerts in Gaston Hall and nickel beers every night of the week. Hi, meet my parents...they never fail to remind me of the best concerts they saw back in college of Springsteen with like 50 other people, jammed in a classroom for almost nothing as I shell out $50 for general admission at a meh'ish convert... In any case, glad to hear that the frats aren't missed. I have a good friend who's going to Dartmouth next year and all he talks about is how great the place is, what frat he's joining, and how awesome the frats are and how much better their parties are...while G'town is kinda boring with average parties and no frats... Hopefully I'll have as good a time next year (*cross those fingers*) without the Frats and that everyone is at least somewhat welcoming to the froshs...
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Post by Cambridge on Feb 16, 2005 9:53:32 GMT -5
Well when I was a senior, we used to throw a lot of parties at our dump of a house on the corner of 33 St and Prospect. One of my housemates had a sister who was a freshman. So, obviously she and all of her floor at New South would show up. We were very hospitable to the girls. As for the boys...well we used to enforce the [Freshman] Challenge*.
The Freshman Challenge pitted them in a keg stand challenge against an attractive senior girl who was our good friend. She was tall, but very trim and athletic...but boy could she drink. Those poor freshman had no idea that there was little chance they could beat her if she put her heart into it. Anyways, the boys lost 99% of the time. And we gave them a hard time...you know razzing them for losing to a girl and they were probably feeling pretty dazed after having the keg pumped to full throttle by a bunch of chest thumping seniors...but in the end we almost always let the guys stay.
I just remember how young they all looked. You often wondered if they were really high school kids who stopped by...
Good times.
*Actually the challenge was named after the senior girl who was our friend...but as she's a successful NY professional now, I didn't want to besmerch her name here.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 16, 2005 11:05:50 GMT -5
Well when I was a senior, we used to throw a lot of parties at our dump of a house on the corner of 33 St and Prospect. One of my housemates had a sister who was a freshman. So, obviously she and all of her floor at New South would show up. We were very hospitable to the girls. As for the boys...well we used to enforce the [Freshman] Challenge*. The Freshman Challenge pitted them in a keg stand challenge against an attractive senior girl who was our good friend. She was tall, but very trim and athletic...but boy could she drink. Those poor freshman had no idea that there was little chance they could beat her if she put her heart into it. Anyways, the boys lost 99% of the time. And we gave them a hard time...you know razzing them for losing to a girl and they were probably feeling pretty dazed after having the keg pumped to full throttle by a bunch of chest thumping seniors...but in the end we almost always let the guys stay. I just remember how young they all looked. You often wondered if they were really high school kids who stopped by... Good times. *Actually the challenge was named after the senior girl who was our friend...but as she's a successful NY professional now, I didn't want to besmerch her name here. Challenges like that are why I never compete with girl's in drinking contests-I've found if a girl challenges you, she can usually pack it away, no matter how small/skinny they are. And, obviously, there's no way to win-if you lose, you got beat by a girl, if you win, well, you should beat a girl. That's why as a freshman, I usually ended up going to parties in groups with as high a girl to guy ration as possible, as the party throwers would usually let me in if it meant letting in 4 or 5 freshman girls as well.
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Post by hoyahoyasaxa on Feb 25, 2005 16:16:04 GMT -5
A Jesuit's perspective: Hoyas are some of the most socially gifted students around. They are good at taking advantage of the numerous religious, service and professional groups on campus to form webs of healthy relationships. They typically graduate from Georgetown with intimate friends whom they will always know as “fellow Hoyas,” not by some trinity of Greek letters. The Greek system has never been part of Georgetown, and I hope it never will. www.thehoya.com/viewpoint/022505/view6.cfm
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