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Post by showcase on Jan 22, 2008 10:23:08 GMT -5
Attrition comes with the territory in non-scholarship programs . . . I believe that the class of 97, Glacken's final class, graduated 5 or 6 guys. It seemed to me that attrition among the last Glacken classes was pretty bad - in 1995 there were really only 5 left - but I think that attrition is often more pronounced when there's a coaching change.
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Post by Lurking Dog on Feb 6, 2008 14:33:31 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 7, 2008 9:01:38 GMT -5
Four more recruits from the Dallas-Ft. Worth area--congrats to Coach Sgarlata for his hard work--now can someone call the University of North Texas to line up a guarantee game? Fordham (and its 60 scholarship equivalencies) appears to have moved in big to the DFW area, with five signings. No other PL or Ivy team had more than two. Georgetown's commits (per the print edition of the Dallas Morning News): Jayah Kaisamba (5-9, 188 lb. DB), Hurst LD Bell Dishon Hughes (6-2, 185 lb. WR), Richardson Pearce Kyle Miller (6-0, 185 lb. DB), Dallas Jesuit Marcus Chitman (6-3, 220 lb. DE), Dallas Jesuit
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Post by hoyahopeful on Feb 7, 2008 13:29:28 GMT -5
Jayah Kaisamba (5-9, 188 lb. DB), Hurst LD Bell Dishon Hughes (6-2, 185 lb. WR), Richardson Pearce Kyle Miller (6-0, 185 lb. DB), Dallas Jesuit Marcus Chitman (6-3, 220 lb. DE), Dallas Jesuit I love the fact that we are getting kids from Texas and I got excited for a moment to see a Defensive End on the list. Then I noticed his weight. Maybe big guys are turned off by the food at the cafeteria?
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 7, 2008 15:15:41 GMT -5
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Post by Jack on Feb 7, 2008 15:36:54 GMT -5
Ordinarily I would say it is great to get a 6'3" QB from St. John's Prep, one of the few legit football powers in the Boston area and the alma mater of BC and Steeler QB Brian St. Pierre, among others. Too bad last year was not a particularly vintage Eagles team- going 7-4 and getting blown out by Xaverian 34-0 is definitely a down year for the Prep.
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Post by showcase on Feb 7, 2008 23:01:48 GMT -5
That OL from Atlanta-Marist that was choosing b/t us, West Point and Cornell with with Army (or did we already know that?) per the AJC.
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Post by hoyahopeful on Feb 14, 2008 17:39:15 GMT -5
From the list now posted on the Hoya Saxa site it looks like there are some potentially solid linemen. If a few of them can play, next year's team will make the 2007 starting lineup look like a bunch of old men. The Hoyas could be full of sophomores and freshmen all over the field. Heck, all 12 of the freshmen QBs might be calling Charlie Houghton, "Grandpa".
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Post by 98hoya on Feb 21, 2008 20:37:47 GMT -5
I saw on the main Hoya Saxa page that we've just listed our 6th QB recruit. SIX!!!
Is this a joke? My quick view of the guhoyas.com official roster indicates we'll have 3 returning QBs (Lane, Lawrence, Schoen). I have no idea if any of them is potentially capable of taking the helm, but I do wonder about the utility of having so many QBs on the roster.
Imagine going home for Thanksgiving break as a G'town frosh QB and telling your buddies about how you had a great reason - you went from 9th to 5th on the depth chart...and that by senior year, you hope to be down to third string?
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Post by nycalumn on Feb 22, 2008 8:55:41 GMT -5
its a joke ....9 qbs ...often they recruit the good athletes for different postions ,perhaps, 5 or 6 of the current qbs on the roster will focus on gaining 70 to 80 pounds and play line so they can prevent the other 3 or 4 from getting thoroughly crushed AGAIN this season !!!!
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 26, 2008 22:41:29 GMT -5
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Post by Ro on Feb 27, 2008 16:56:56 GMT -5
I would agree that 6 QB recruits looks and sounds a bit ridiculous, but historically speaking it may not be a bad thing. I'm 95% certain that my incoming class had 4 or 5 QB's coming in...all but one of them quit and the one who stayed on the team (Brian Dwyer) ended up being a team captain and a 2 year all-league safety. I'm pretty sure he was also an All-American in his last season. Then there's Gharun Hester, recruited as a QB to go on to become the best ever WR to suit up for us. It is outrageous to see 9 possible QBs on the roster, but I think it's equally outrageous to think that all 9 of the current proposed QBs will all be calling signals come August. While Brian and Gharun may be extreme cases, I think it's easy to see some incoming QBs who are exceptional athletes moving and succeeding elsewhere on the field.
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Post by Jack on Feb 27, 2008 17:12:18 GMT -5
Yeah- I understand that there is some more specialization and different body types necessary for a football team, but in most cases isn't the QB just the best athlete on the team, like the SS on every Little Leage team? It seems fairly likely that some of them will end up as RB's, WR's, DB's, even LB's (didn't Jack Schweder end up a tackle?). It's still important to get some big guys, but this QB glut will sort itself out I'm sure.
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Post by FormerHoya on Feb 27, 2008 20:32:16 GMT -5
Jack, Schweder became a semi-functional outside linebacker, but yes, he did have the size for tackle.
From that class Josh Walz became a very good WR, and JJ became the QB.
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Post by nycalumn on Feb 28, 2008 9:14:12 GMT -5
What about going and getting some decent linemen in the recruiting process ..Are we comfortable with the line play on both sides , perhaps , that is the case ..I know we haveto get good athletes when available to us but we need big tough linemen or face another miserable season ...Looks like we have our open date in August, another brainstorm , anyway all it means is that we have 11 games in a row , no off week at all , there will be alot of bruised up people on our team again again again again, 6am practices , bad scheduling ,all QBS and DBS ....I hope we are ready !!
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Post by Ro on Feb 29, 2008 12:54:37 GMT -5
Between O-Line and D-Line the posed recruit list has 8 incoming lineman....over a quarter of the class. Of course it would be nice to see more but that's a pretty solid number. Do you also think that the staff is purposely not trying to get lineman? Recruiting kids isn't like visiting your local grocery store and picking up exactly what you need. They have 5 kids coming in listed as OL, that's a starting set in one class to go along with the guys we already have. I don't think the situation is nearly as dire as you are trying to make it out to be.
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Post by hoyahopeful on Feb 29, 2008 13:26:34 GMT -5
Recruiting kids isn't like visiting your local grocery store and picking up exactly what you need. To continue with your analogy, I think the fear here is that while shopping at the grocery store, this staff spends too much time in the candy aisle and they forget about shopping for the meat and potatoes. As for the linemen issue, the problem has not been with the number of players, it has been with the numbers on the scale. Georgetown is routinely overpowered on both lines and a few of the new recruits listed fall into the same mold--great kids, excellent players, too small. Of course we never know about published weights, but usually they are inflated.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 29, 2008 13:45:15 GMT -5
It's a fair concern, esp. when you see about how other schools are going heavy-up. Here is the recap of Howard's 2008 o-line signees:
Davin Morris OL 6-4 315 Houston, TX/Yates HS Kashin McElveen OL 6-4 320 Salters, SC/Denmark-Olar HS Terrell Hawkins OL 6-4 320 Temple Hills, MD/Friendly HS D'Angelo Lucas OL 6-6 360 Washington, DC/H.D. Woodson HS Terell Killings OL 6-4 290 Miami, FL/Northwestern HS Jarrett Ford OL 6-3 280 Cincinnati, OH/Harmony Community HS Quindarole King OL 6-4 310 Texas City, TX/Lamarque HS
Georgetown hasn't recruited many 300 lb. players (maybe Billy Wuyek was 300+, others were not) but 240 lb. centers aren't enough anymore.
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Post by derhoya on Feb 29, 2008 18:08:35 GMT -5
i wouldn't read too much into those numbers above on howards incoming OL. I bet 100 that 5/7 of those are just softies, and also the numbers are probably exaggerations on the actual numbers. HS fball is notorious with adding 20lbs here, or an inch there.
the kid from lamarque comes from a great fball area in TX, same with the northwestern kid from miami. ill be honest, if these kids were studs, they'd be at a D1 state schools. I know thats a broad generalization but there is some worth within it.
that being said, a softie weighing in at 340 over a 60 min game definitely isn't fun. he may not be strong but that 340 doesn't get lighter during the game. ----------------------
I can confidently inform everyone that the weight issue is being resolved. they are weighing in and being pushed by augie to get their weights up. for most part expect 20-25lbs on all of them, yes that includes both sides of the ball.
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Post by FormerHoya on Feb 29, 2008 18:18:47 GMT -5
Personally, I loved playing against the teams with huge offensive lineman. Der is right, if those sizes are right, then if those guys were any good, they'd be playing somewhere else...
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