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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 13, 2005 19:50:20 GMT -5
THe AD does not have another year to wait or waste. Team morale is not good, how many underclassemen will quit. How many seniors are still left form the original recruited class. Lehigh had 30 seniors on their roster. The new Ad or someone from his office has been to every game. Losing is not an option! Eagle, I don't think that losing is an option either. But the current coaching staff, Coach Benson particularly, has dramatically elevated the quality and rep of the program during his time at GU. He also won MAAC championships when we were in that conference. I think he deserves at least another season to turn things around before we start talking about the athletic department taking any action. I do agree that retention is one of the things currently hurting the team, and I don't know enough to say whose fault that is, but I think that would also change with more Ws.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 13, 2005 20:48:55 GMT -5
THe AD does not have another year to wait or waste. Team morale is not good, how many underclassemen will quit. How many seniors are still left form the original recruited class. Lehigh had 30 seniors on their roster. The new Ad or someone from his office has been to every game. Losing is not an option! Interesting when people bring up "the AD": athletic directors attend as many games as they can--it's part of their job. Joe Lang was on many football road trips and attended almost all home games. I'm sure Bernard Muir is as well. Between all the sports they cover, it's truly a 24 hour job. As to attrition, a point to consider. At scholarship football programs, a player that doesn't make the depth chart, gets hurt, loses patience, or just loses interest loses his scholarship and has to leave school. At PL and Ivy schools, they stay and get their degree. In the class of 2006, of those that didn't play all four years, all but two are still enrolled and on course to graduate. (One transferred to Auburn, the other I couldn't locate on the web.) How does this number compare to other PL schools? I don't know where the 30 seniors at Lehigh came up, but I went to the NCAA web site and got this count of seniors by school. Lafayette: 28 Lehigh 21+ 2 fifth year seniors Colgate: 20 Fordham: 20 Georgetown: 17 Holy Cross: 15 + 2 5th year seniors Bucknell: 15 These numbers are not uncommon. Last season was 16 seniors, 17 in 2003.
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Post by nychoya3 on Nov 13, 2005 21:05:03 GMT -5
Interesting, DFW. Thanks. Plenty of D-IA schools have guys who don't even sniff the field until their 4th year, and perhaps not until their 5th. Watching senior day at Wisconsin this week, there was a critical off-side by a 5th year tight end who literally has been in on maybe 10 snaps in his career. If he wasn't on scholarship at Georgetown, would he still be on the team? Maybe he's that motivated. Maybe he sits at home and watches "Rudy" over and over. But most guys would just say "to hell with it" and give up the year around training and early morning practices. The real issue is whether your seniors are producing. We've lost some contributers - this team could really use Alonzo right now - but not too many.
It's difficult to evaluate the talent from where I'm standing. Obviously, we have some guys who are elite at their position - Oni, Buzbee, etc. But there's no DIA recruiting database to see whether all our guys were recruited by Colgate, Villanova, and Penn. The consensus around here is that we're recruiting at a PL level, but the results aren't measuring up.
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Post by eagle36 on Nov 13, 2005 22:08:36 GMT -5
I think Coach Benson is a fine man who cares about his players and this program. and Georgetwon University. He is truly a good man changes are necessary, maybe in the structure and discipline of theteam, position coaches, strategy. I honestly do not what the answer is or how to fix it, but we do have a problem and hopefully people those with much more knowledge than I will know how to fix this program. Georgetown can compete for the IVy athlete, the university and location sell themselves to many. I know someof our freshman were heavily recruited by Ivies.
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Post by AustinHoya03 on Nov 14, 2005 15:34:49 GMT -5
Thanks for putting that in perspective, DFW and nyc. I guess I figured it was a problem because:
a) There are 96 players on the entire roster, so seniors are "under-represented" at 17%.
b) You always seem to hear about players leaving because it's a story. Players staying on the team isn't, which makes attrition seem like a bigger deal than it actually is.
Anyway, thanks for setting the record straight.
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Post by LBPop on Nov 14, 2005 18:28:43 GMT -5
Question, DFW. I believe Bernard Muir traveled to nearly all away games this season on one of the team buses. I had heard that was not the case in past years. Also, he seems to stand in a very visible spot when watching the football games. Is this something different at Georgetown? I was especially impressed by his traveling on the bus, but maybe that's standard practice.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 14, 2005 19:03:16 GMT -5
Some quick thoughts...
1) A draw isn't just a run up the middle. It's a running play where the blocking scheme is designed to allow pass rushers to come quickly upfields -- to draw them in, and then the ball is handed off to the RB with the DL going the wrong direction. I do not know if we really run a shotgun draw or just a shotgun dive (where the O linemen truly runblock). But the draw is generally used as a counter to blitxing or heavy pass pressure. Which makes it silly to run a lot. Really, I expect we run a Shotgun Option offense.
2) Clearly, the offense is atrocious, and it isn't personnel. It could be that we're running an HIGH SCHOOL offense. You want to run a gimmick offense? Send someone up to Northwestern to learn their spread in the off-season. At least use a gimmick that works. (I am amazed we have a school full of smart kids and run a simplistic offense -- we should be using our kids' intelligence to our advantage).
3) I am pretty certain Bernard Muir will do something about it in the off-season, even if we never see it.
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Post by LBPop on Nov 14, 2005 19:29:57 GMT -5
I expect we run a Shotgun Option offense. You are absolutely right. I have to admit that I do not love this offense (I'm an 'I' formation guy...four yards at a clip with a lead back, break the off tackle play outside occasionally and pass a dozen times to keep the safeties honest). However, I saw this offense work extremely well up at Cornell, so I know it can be done. I sure don't have the answer, but I hope these coaches find it.
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Post by hoya4ever on Nov 14, 2005 20:38:18 GMT -5
I don't care what Bernard Muir does, as long as it gets done by spring ball so our O can be comfortable with whatever we do by next summer. I was told that coach Benson said the following during half time "Winning teams are the ones that run the option well, and that is what we are going to do." Then we pass the ball about 500% more than we ever have this season...
On Edit: Who thinks it was Muir that caused the outburst of passing plays? Just a thought.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 14, 2005 20:57:16 GMT -5
"Winning teams are the ones that run the option well, and that is what we are going to do." --
Maybe I'm just out of touch with what I-AA ball is, but this quote is ridiculous if true. I LOVE the option. Love it. I play with Air Force in College Footbal video games; I started a fake University in them called Darien Hagan U.
But is there any doubt that the option is more or less done in DI-A? Too many schools have gone the NFL route and downsized the D for speed.
I don't know the realities of DI-AA ball. So you tell me -- are our quarterbacks not capable of accuracy? Is a complex offense too much for a non-scholarship student athlete to learn?
Here's the thing about offenses:
If you are predictable, have good talent and execute, you can win a lot of games. You'll dominate those who have lesser talent, and you can beat those who don't execute at your level.
But if you are predictable, you'll never consistently beat a team that has as good or better talent, executes as well, and has an imaginative and unpredictable scheme that plays to the team's strenghts rather than the coordinators.
Why do that? Why not take advantage of every possible advantage?
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Post by njhoya on Nov 15, 2005 8:24:04 GMT -5
I truly don't believe Bernard Muir is involved with play-calling or will put any pressure on any coach to change the type of offense Gtwn runs. He could possibly force a change in coaching personel, but not plays.
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