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Post by RDF on Nov 29, 2007 13:11:18 GMT -5
Agreed, and that is why I love how JT III is not afraid to schedule these games. It may not get the media attention (unless we lose), but it can really help the team get prepared for conference play, road games in particular. These are the types of games Duke usually schedules preseason to pump up their RPI. Granted, they're usually at home. These are the type of games Duke USED to schedule--since K has gone Bobby Knight--they don't do this anymore. Duke built their program on playing anyone/anywhere--and since Battier left, they now play tough games on "neutral courts" like MSG or Meadowlands, or they schedule creampuffs at home. If you look at how WEAK the Maui Classic was this year--Duke should've been ashamed if they didn't win it.
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Post by mrsixer123 on Nov 29, 2007 13:12:19 GMT -5
Wow, reading the pregame/game thread at the ODU site was great entertainment. I'll recap the six page thread: #4 is not a racist statement. it is a opinion. a asinine one, but not a racist comment
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Post by stafford72 on Nov 29, 2007 13:16:58 GMT -5
My 2 cents: Drove 320 miles each way to meet youngest daughter and take her to the game. Got great seats 3 rowns behind the bench from callling Hoop Club. Summers and Macklin need to step up for Gtown against Memphis. Pat got off to a slow start, but was inserted to shadow Lee and then made some nice finesse moves around the basket for his points. Macklin and Summers could not contain Lee. He slipped behind Roy for some of his points and rebounds, but Roy was not really guarding him. As was stated, Roy and the rest of the starters (except Pat for defense) spent major amounts of time on the bench. Freeman is instant offense. Seems to be in the right place at the right time. Very confident. He is not a defensive force, however. I thought the referees did a good job. Only 2 freee throws in the entire first half--none for ODU. They called the correct violations without overtaking the flow. Game was only 90 minutes old with 6 minutes left. Roy still has a tendency for the silly foul from reaching in needlessly or losing his balance and colliding with someone. His charge was an easy call because there was a mismatch guarding him and he was totally bowled over by Roy's hip. Macklin needed those dunks in the second half for his confidence. It would be nice to see either him orRoy take and make the uncontested 16-17 footer they constantly get above the foul line. ODU's 7'3 guy was a stiff who could not leave his feet and was painfully slow in making offensive moves. Also, he is a senior, so no time for improvement. Lee is a nice player who could become very good with a little more arc on his shot and better movement without the ball. He is quite adept around the basket with very good touch. Otherwise, not much shown tonight by rest of ODU squad. Noticed that JTIII has lost some weight. His suit looked a little baggy on him. Good for him--he needed to trim down a little. Got to like the demeanor of the coaching staff. Always in control. Wright did get upset with himself after blowing the breakaway layup. Macklin and Summers appear to be buddies and Pat was having a good time. He is very expressive.
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Post by DrumsGoBang on Nov 29, 2007 13:17:34 GMT -5
Why does the Post box score say Hibbert only had 2 blocks? I counted at least 4 clean blocks and 3 partial ones.
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Post by vcjack on Nov 29, 2007 13:59:03 GMT -5
Now that I've sobered up I'll add some more of my grand insights:
- "How ya doing?" seems to be the tradmark slogan of the Constant Center, it was printed on all of the tickets, brochures, and the ushers are clearly instructed to start all of their sentences with a friendly "How ya doing?". Thought for a second that we were in Jersey
- Please watch the video RBHoya linked and imagine several hundred kids doing that in unison, it was creepy to say the least
- When you yell "Cuse Sucks!" at a guy wearing a Cuse jersey, ODU fans somehow interpret this as you are attacking them
- Speaking of ODU fans, they are mostly pleasent but they seem to indoctrinate their young to be hecklers, a group of 10 year olds stayed behind to yell at us as we left as their parents watched. All I had to say to that is "shoo, get out of our new house"
- Their cheerleaders throw coupons into the crowd everytime they score a three pointer, perhaps this is why they were reluctant to shoot 3's.
- Pat seems to have regained his offensive game, I think he lost confidence in his long ball but he regained it last night.
- I'm really liking Austin's game, nothing more to add to what other people have said
- Love DaJuan's attitude, the rest of the guys go through the warmups very seriously but when Summers heard us cheering for him, he couldn't resist breaking into a huge grin
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Post by PDRHoya99 on Nov 29, 2007 14:39:51 GMT -5
Wow, reading the pregame/game thread at the ODU site was great entertainment. I'll recap the six page thread: #4 is not a racist statement. it is a opinion. a asinine one, but not a racist comment If you read their thread the subtext was JT3 is black, and therefore inarticulate. The poster on their board basically admitted he'd never heard the man speak a single word, but assumed he was. The comments actually coincided with the idea that ODU fans should bring a banner to the game equating the Ewings with monkeys (also apparently not racist according to ODU posters). I've simplified a touch for our board, but the gist of their game thread after some hoya fans called them on it was to say that their comments were merely jokes, and not in any way racially charged language. Fortunately what made the thread enjoyable was the change that happened on the last page, when the hoyas took care of business on the court.
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Post by mapei on Nov 29, 2007 14:52:11 GMT -5
Just now getting to the board. Most has already been said.
Lee was just terrific. We were totally unable to stop him in the first half. He's a really good player for someone I've never heard of.
Roy looked seriously winded at one point. Fortunately JT3 noticed it, too, and sat him down for pretty much the remainder of the first half. Vernon needs a little more focus or something but I was really glad to see him get minutes and points in front of his homies. Loved all the bench, really. Austin is the real deal - he's going to be fabulous.
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Post by GUJook97 on Nov 29, 2007 16:02:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with all that you guys said, and wanted to make those points too, but the fact of it is, it is quite dangerous- (that's why Duke schedules them at home.) I have no doubt ODU will be a great RPI win, though. Especially since George Mason looks quite good this year.
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Post by royski on Nov 29, 2007 16:16:54 GMT -5
Speaking of Mason, that seems like a home and home series we should try to put together.
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Post by odufan757 on Nov 29, 2007 16:46:08 GMT -5
I give you guys all the credit in the world for coming down here and playing us. It takes stones for a high major to go into a mid-majors house and play them because you get very little credit when you win.
JT3 definetly was the better coach on the night, he completey shut us down in the second half and had you guys fired up coming out of the locker room. It was a 17 point lead before we knew what hit us and with your slowdown style, that is like a 30 point lead for most teams.
I am never one to make excuses, but I do honestly feel like I should explain that we are a much better team than you saw tonight. Excuses are a dime a dozen, but after watching us last night, I know that was not the same team that we usually see at the Ted.
Part of it had to do with your solid defense, but alot of it had to do with them being flat out tired. We are a team that thrives on energy. Johnson is a speed demon, Lidonde and Henderson thrive off curling around screens from our big men and nailing 3's.
Last night every curl, every cut, every screen was at least a step or 2 slower than usual. I honestly think that playing 3 games in 5 days just completely wore us out. Not to mention the fact that we played North Carolina at midnight playing out in Vegas. I think the 3 games against teams ranked in the Top 10 in the country AND 2 cross country flights and time zone changes in 5 days just caught up with us.
We were with you in the first half, but you could see us fading at the very end of the half. It went from 21-21 to 30-23 at the half in about 2 minutes when our guys started dragging arse.
Then we came out of the lockerroom with no enthusiasm, got it put on us, and pretty much were dead in the water. We were drained, no way we were coming back from that against you guys.
For the record, I think Lee is the only one who showed up because he is used to traveling alot. He plays for the Finland National team and had to travel all over Europe this summer playing ball in different countries and different time zones etc in the European Championships.
Regardless, I don't think we would have beaten you guys anyway, we just aren't there as a team yet this year and you guys are one of the best teams in the country, but I definetly think we would have given a much better performance and played a tighter game if we had been well-rested.
I am sure you guys could care less and can taunt all you want because you earned it, but that Monarch team I watched last night was no where NEAR the team I have watched from the beginning of this season and the past couple years.
Go ahead, flame away.
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Post by kghoya on Nov 29, 2007 17:32:41 GMT -5
My 2 cents: Drove 320 miles each way to meet youngest daughter and take her to the game. Got great seats 3 rowns behind the bench from callling Hoop Club. Summers and Macklin need to step up for Gtown against Memphis. Pat got off to a slow start, but was inserted to shadow Lee and then made some nice finesse moves around the basket for his points. Macklin and Summers could not contain Lee. He slipped behind Roy for some of his points and rebounds, but Roy was not really guarding him. As was stated, Roy and the rest of the starters (except Pat for defense) spent major amounts of time on the bench. Freeman is instant offense. Seems to be in the right place at the right time. Very confident. He is not a defensive force, however. I thought the referees did a good job. Only 2 freee throws in the entire first half--none for ODU. They called the correct violations without overtaking the flow. Game was only 90 minutes old with 6 minutes left. Roy still has a tendency for the silly foul from reaching in needlessly or losing his balance and colliding with someone. His charge was an easy call because there was a mismatch guarding him and he was totally bowled over by Roy's hip. Macklin needed those dunks in the second half for his confidence. It would be nice to see either him orRoy take and make the uncontested 16-17 footer they constantly get above the foul line. ODU's 7'3 guy was a stiff who could not leave his feet and was painfully slow in making offensive moves. Also, he is a senior, so no time for improvement. Lee is a nice player who could become very good with a little more arc on his shot and better movement without the ball. He is quite adept around the basket with very good touch. Otherwise, not much shown tonight by rest of ODU squad. Noticed that JTIII has lost some weight. His suit looked a little baggy on him. Good for him--he needed to trim down a little. Got to like the demeanor of the coaching staff. Always in control. Wright did get upset with himself after blowing the breakaway layup. Macklin and Summers appear to be buddies and Pat was having a good time. He is very expressive. i must have been sitting to your left with my friend, who, unfortunately, was rooting for odu...
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Post by JimmyHoya on Nov 29, 2007 18:19:46 GMT -5
Can someone explain where the intimidation factor was supposed to come from last night? The TED was simmering at best. I understand the great difference in number of students, but for as much trash as the bitter Monarch fans were talking, you'd figure they'd be a little louder. I asked the ushers and they said they never sell out unless a team like ours comes to town--so when does it get "crazy"? It's a nice building with a crummy bunch of fans. Did we take the air out of it so completely with our dominating performance? I guess it's "loud" because they rarely lose there and therefore have lot to cheer about? The only thing that impressed me about ODU this go-round was the architecture. The non-partisan fans were also really nice to talk to. I'll admit I gave up on the cheering for a most part of the second half, but I had some pretty nice conversations with the folks around us...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 29, 2007 18:21:44 GMT -5
Like I said before the games, sometimes we're clicking. Better teams than ODU have gotten blown out. It could have been the travel. Or it just could've been a higher level of talent executing extremely well.
You played Louisville, whom we beat at the Ville last year. And UNC, who we beat in the Elite Eight. I'm not sure there needs to be an excuse. Our team is very good.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 29, 2007 19:34:19 GMT -5
I might buy the travel excuse more if it weren't for few factors: 1) the whole time difference thing is crap it's a two hour time difference that's not enough to screw you up. When people talk about jet lag it's cause of a 6hr or more time shift. 2) They played Louisville on the 24th. Even assuming they flew back the next day they had sunday monday tuesday and most of Wednesday to recover. 3) They're college students.
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Post by odufan757 on Nov 29, 2007 19:40:44 GMT -5
I might buy the travel excuse more if it weren't for few factors: 1) the whole time difference thing is crap it's a two hour time difference that's not enough to screw you up. When people talk about jet lag it's cause of a 6hr or more time shift. 2) They played Louisville on the 24th. Even assuming they flew back the next day they had sunday monday tuesday and most of Wednesday to recover. 3) They're college students. Answering your first question, its a 3 hour difference, not 2, Vegas is 3 hours behind the east coast. Not to mention we played a game at 12 at night our time and then follwed it up the next day with a game at 10 at night our time. It wasn't a whole lot of rest, flying across the country and then practicing and preparing for Gtown as soon as you get home. Regardless though, like I said, you were clearly the better team and would have won that game more than likely whenever and wherever it was played. I am not by any means saying we should or could have won that game, I am just very dissapointed in how easy it was for you. I think with an easier schedule, better rest and more preperation, we could have at least given you a good game at home.
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Post by Highsmith on Nov 29, 2007 19:41:09 GMT -5
Not much more to add.......another great game in the development of this team. I love that we are able to have our young guys continue to grow in games where we win on the road by 18. Wright, Freeman and Macklin all took big steps tonight and games like these will do wonders for them in the BE. Once Wallace and Summers get going offensively a little more, things will really become interesting. I agree with many others that rebounding is still a concern. ODU is clearly a great rebounding team, but this has been at least a small problem for us for awhile now. It seems to go along with our style of play, but I'd like to see us clean the glass at least a little better--especially on the defensive end.
The next few games up to Memphis should be good warm-ups for that game. We just need to take care of business and play our game. Alabama may be tough, but that game is on my birthday and we WILL NOT lose on my birthday!!!
I am having a very hard time having to experience all these games with Rich.......I can't WAIT until there is some sort of TV coverage where I can finally watch a game. Great game guys......take care of Fairfield!
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 29, 2007 20:12:15 GMT -5
you know after the kenner league i think i remarked that freeman would be very very good not a big prediction but i think i said he reminded me of a tight end anybody agree after mr. inside and outside played pretty well go hoyas go tight end ;D
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 29, 2007 20:43:16 GMT -5
I might buy the travel excuse more if it weren't for few factors: 1) the whole time difference thing is crap it's a two hour time difference that's not enough to screw you up. When people talk about jet lag it's cause of a 6hr or more time shift. 2) They played Louisville on the 24th. Even assuming they flew back the next day they had sunday monday tuesday and most of Wednesday to recover. 3) They're college students. Answering your first question, its a 3 hour difference, not 2, Vegas is 3 hours behind the east coast. Not to mention we played a game at 12 at night our time and then follwed it up the next day with a game at 10 at night our time. It wasn't a whole lot of rest, flying across the country and then practicing and preparing for Gtown as soon as you get home. Regardless though, like I said, you were clearly the better team and would have won that game more than likely whenever and wherever it was played. I am not by any means saying we should or could have won that game, I am just very dissapointed in how easy it was for you. I think with an easier schedule, better rest and more preperation, we could have at least given you a good game at home. sorry i assumed they were on mountain time. Still shouldn't be jet lagged 3 days later. And you had three days to prepare which is about normal during the season. Are you going to make the excuse that your team was tired every time they have to play 2 games in a week?
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Post by odufan757 on Nov 29, 2007 22:45:59 GMT -5
Answering your first question, its a 3 hour difference, not 2, Vegas is 3 hours behind the east coast. Not to mention we played a game at 12 at night our time and then follwed it up the next day with a game at 10 at night our time. It wasn't a whole lot of rest, flying across the country and then practicing and preparing for Gtown as soon as you get home. Regardless though, like I said, you were clearly the better team and would have won that game more than likely whenever and wherever it was played. I am not by any means saying we should or could have won that game, I am just very dissapointed in how easy it was for you. I think with an easier schedule, better rest and more preperation, we could have at least given you a good game at home. sorry i assumed they were on mountain time. Still shouldn't be jet lagged 3 days later. And you had three days to prepare which is about normal during the season. Are you going to make the excuse that your team was tired every time they have to play 2 games in a week? I don't think I will have to make excuses for our team in the CAA this year. Fortunately, we will have no cross-country flights, no time zone changes, and most importantly, we won't be playing anyone near as good as UNC, Louisville and Gtown back to back to back in the CAA. With that said, good luck this year guys, although with the talent you have, you probably won't need it. Feel free to come to the CAAZone and chat hoops with us anytime on our board. It was a fun experience, we got some good national recognition and the experience of playing a Final 4 team. We split a home and home with you guys, so all in all, not bad.
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Post by RDF on Nov 30, 2007 3:30:04 GMT -5
sorry i assumed they were on mountain time. Still shouldn't be jet lagged 3 days later. And you had three days to prepare which is about normal during the season. Are you going to make the excuse that your team was tired every time they have to play 2 games in a week? I don't think I will have to make excuses for our team in the CAA this year. Fortunately, we will have no cross-country flights, no time zone changes, and most importantly, we won't be playing anyone near as good as UNC, Louisville and Gtown back to back to back in the CAA. With that said, good luck this year guys, although with the talent you have, you probably won't need it. Feel free to come to the CAAZone and chat hoops with us anytime on our board. It was a fun experience, we got some good national recognition and the experience of playing a Final 4 team. We split a home and home with you guys, so all in all, not bad. It's sports--sometimes you have an off night--and against a good team--it can make your team look less then what it is--but it helps them to play better teams then to beat up on creampuffs and that is what both ODU and Georgetown got out of this game. I get what you are saying-and understand the frustration--it happens. I'm just glad the Hoyas are playing at ODU instead of playing some really awful opponents who don't let your team improve. The travel argument--could be some truth to it--but in hindsight--you also got a top 5 team to play in your arena and as you said--that isn't easy to get in today's world of trying to keep the Mid Majors "down" or do the 5 for 1 tradeoffs. Good luck to Monarchs rest of year and don't be a stranger.
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