TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Sept 13, 2007 13:19:59 GMT -5
OK, so my rhetoric about students is over the top. I do not blame students for the administration's incompetence. They are the victims. As I have said before, what differentiates students and alumni or other fans is that students have much more time, much more opportunity, and much more access to effect change (or at least stir the pot). I was something of an on campus activist for at least some of my time at Georgetown. I would take an issue like this run. I did become less active in my Junior and Senior year because I became convinced the administration was never going to change. Maybe I was right, they still seem totally incompetent. That is why I am increasingly resigned to losing JTIII. Frankly I just wish there was a 19 year old version of myself on campus to organize a comprehensive, multi-pronged campaing to save JTIII. Maybe I don't understand teh purpose of Hoya BLue, but I thought this type of thing would be up their ally. Is Hoya Blue really a sock for the man? Are they under the thumb of the AD? Is there any other student group to turn to? Hoya Blue's job is to create student support for all on campus athletic programs. That's what it says in their constitution.
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Sept 13, 2007 13:25:41 GMT -5
OK, so my rhetoric about students is over the top. I do not blame students for the administration's incompetence. They are the victims.
Ok, let's calm down here. There are a lot of people who can be classified as "victims", and Georgetown students don't rank in the top ten thousand.
Frankly I just wish there was a 19 year old version of myself on campus to organize a comprehensive, multi-pronged campaing to save JTIII.
This is ripe for parody and annihilation from various other people. I'll abstain, save from guffawing over the righteous anger that leads one to launch a clarion call to a message board that has a few hundred serious readers at best as your best imitation of William Wallace's call to action.
Maybe I don't understand teh purpose of Hoya BLue, but I thought this type of thing would be up their ally. Is Hoya Blue really a sock for the man? Are they under the thumb of the AD? Is there any other student group to turn to?
Dude, don't bring HB into this. Organizations like HB crater when they expand their original plans and involve politics.
And where do they stop? You know, III is a great coach, but maybe HB could agitate to get a better one. And maybe Georgetown should tweak the color of blue on their uniforms. And maybe they should eliminate swimming and start a wrestling team. And they should OF COURSE be questioning the field hockey coach's plans for the Syracuse game. With this, you chip away at the unity of cheering for Georgetown until everyone's into their own little Balkanized camps and what used to be a spirit organization is now either a lobbying group or a pawn.
I reiterate. Either do something - and posting here doesn't count - or stop whining and killing precious little electrons.
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voltahoya
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Post by voltahoya on Sept 13, 2007 13:35:44 GMT -5
First of all, Georgetown Students are victims of an incompetant administration. Are they hollocaust victims, no. But they are victims of an inept and deaf administration. So lets save the nitpicking.
And to the handful of people that have attacked me instead of the problem, spare me. At least I am discussing the problem. Maybe if people participate productively in the discussion instead of either (a) burying their head in the sand, or (b) attacking me, we could come up with some ideas of what we can do to help. I kept my mouth shut all summer long in the hopes that something would happen, some shred of news would leak. What did we get? Nothing. So finally I point out the futility of it all and ask if anyone else is outraged and a few people try to bury me for raising the biggest issue facing our team.Attacks like the ones on me just lead people to not post and who does that benefit? We can't all sit around and jerk each other off about the schedule or what Greg Monroe had for breakfast. Let's talk about something that matters.
I learned a lot about HB from the last two posts so that was productive. Why don't we try to build on that momentum. Anyone have any other student organizations that might fit the bill as a champion of extending III's K?
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Sept 13, 2007 13:57:06 GMT -5
While I don't think there is anyone to blame but the administration, it's not as if anyone has even organized anything to say with authority that there is nothing students could do. We could all talk about this until the end of season but it does no good. The problem isn't the administration not offering JTIII, the problem is a practice facilities. Someone needs to do something otherwise JTIII isn't going to be a Georgetown coach for very long
Question- Isn't JTIII's contract up at the end of the 2008-2009 season anyway?
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Sept 13, 2007 14:09:05 GMT -5
OK, so my rhetoric about students is over the top. I do not blame students for the administration's incompetence. They are the victims. As I have said before, what differentiates students and alumni or other fans is that students have much more time, much more opportunity, and much more access to effect change (or at least stir the pot). I was something of an on campus activist for at least some of my time at Georgetown. I would take an issue like this run. I did become less active in my Junior and Senior year because I became convinced the administration was never going to change. Maybe I was right, they still seem totally incompetent. That is why I am increasingly resigned to losing JTIII. Frankly I just wish there was a 19 year old version of myself on campus to organize a comprehensive, multi-pronged campaing to save JTIII. Maybe I don't understand teh purpose of Hoya BLue, but I thought this type of thing would be up their ally. Is Hoya Blue really a sock for the man? Are they under the thumb of the AD? Is there any other student group to turn to? Hoya Blue has a very specific mission - to improve student support of all Georgetown sports. They do a number of things to support the basketball team including setting up road trips, selling season tickets, helping to organize game watches on-campus, helping to organize midnight madness, and a number of promotional/PR/generally fun things to promote the game experience for student fans of Georgetown athletics. Getting JT3 a better contract is beyond the mission of Hoya Blue. They are not under the tumb of the AD, SAC, or anyone on-campus (other than the iron first of Todd Olson - but that seems to apply to all of campus these days). However, they do have to work with people in the Athletic Department, SAC, and Hoyas Unlimited on a daily basis so making brash statements that divert from their message is not healthy for the organization. You wouldn't want GUGS making salads, don't ask Hoya Blue to get a contract for a coach. A multi-pronged effort? What would you do? Write an article in The Hoya - oh good, idea - Georgetown Israel Alliance and Students for Justice in Palestine have been doing that for a while - its clearly solved the middle east crisis. There were complaints about the alcohol policy - the next week Olson sent out his plain clothes goons. Write an article in The Voice - even better, first you'll have to phrase your position in terms of how it will stop the war/get Obama elected. Get a vote on it in GUSA - WOW. That'll be awesome - a meeting that only a few student government types will attend where they will discuss the procedural merits of your position for an hour or so and then run to The Hoya reported in the room to wake him up/give him quotes so they can see their name in The Hoya. Then they will pass a non-binding resolution about it that may or may not be put on their website and will accomplish nothing. How about a facebook group - it already exists. How about an online petition - it already exists. How about something in Red Square - yeah good idea - hold a protest in the 30 minutes that you are allowed to have amplified sound in Red Square and put up a poster - they tried it with the alcohol policy and invited the Washington Post and all they got was ignored by the administration and an article in the Post that made them look like spoiled brats. There is nothing that can be done that is going to put pressure on an administration that is already not listening to students on other substantive issues. Of course alumni can withhold donations and starve the University - but we already don't donate very well - one of the reasons for it is - surprise, surprise - the University never listened to us as undergrads and suddenly they seem really fake when they want to get us involved as alumni.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Sept 13, 2007 14:38:18 GMT -5
Not saying this should happen, but I think a protest to get the administration to resign JTIII would garner much more national attention that one against the alcohol policies of the school. Honestly I don't think the administration whats their incompetence to be broad casted to the media, so it would probably have a bigger impact.
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 13, 2007 14:43:59 GMT -5
St.Pete is right on all accounts. Homecoming is approaching. We can have virtually every undergrad and a massive body of alums all in one place. If someone's got a great idea for how to mobilize that into pressure, I think a lot of us would love to hear it. If someone tells me that at the end of tailgate to skip the game (which I'll certainly do anyway), and go sit in front of DeGioia's office wearing my JTIII shirt, I'll do it. I'll be drunk, and I'll do it. If someone suggests some kind of other public display, let's go for it.
I personally don't have the time to spearhead such a thing. So the next question is: who has both the time and the passion to organize whatever needs to happen? The fact that no one has done anything yet leads me to believe that no one has both the time and inclination to be the front man on something. Volta, I nominate you. Seriously, not as an attack. But in all honesty, I don't see GUSA or The Hoya being a valuable outlet.
I was a lifelong Corpie and I know that the Corp has vast resources. I've pushed for the Corp to get more involved in these sorts of things. Unfortunately, because the Corp leases all its space from the University, there's a constant concern about long-term consequences. Vittles alone is already paying over $130,000/yr in rent. People want low prices. The University can raise that rent with impunity next year. There's a lot to risk and a lot at stake. So the student group that I see as having the most resources also has a lot that is in jeopardy if they're to back an anti-University cause.
Any ideas for Homecoming out there?
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theexorcist
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Post by theexorcist on Sept 13, 2007 14:52:03 GMT -5
If you're going to do this, don't do it as a "Keep III" or "Build the Arena". Sell it as a "Commitment to Athletic Excellence" rally or somesuch, and make it clear that part of that commitment is retaining top talent like III and making a legitimate involvement in facilities.
For alumni, there's a conversation with GU coaches. Someone could ask a question regarding facilities. Once again, not adverse - just apply enough pressure.
I will say that I can't see how any rally gets any national attention. But emphasizing this issue when alums come back will put it out into the open for the administration to face.
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Sept 13, 2007 16:15:16 GMT -5
Trust the Administration.
Kidding.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Sept 13, 2007 16:45:39 GMT -5
Todd Olsen is an evil genius he's created this alcohol controversy to distract everyone from the lack of a knew contract for III.
but seriously I'm still not convinced that the administration's going to screw this up. I know there's plenty of evidence indicating they will, I'm just an eternal optimist.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Sept 13, 2007 16:48:51 GMT -5
You want the students and alumni to rally? Tell them Esh is coming back if JTIII leaves.
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Post by dairishhoya on Sept 13, 2007 17:48:32 GMT -5
Coach is not going anywhere any time soon. The fact that he is kicking off his foundation weekend at Georgetown, that his foundation is based in and supports DC and that the colors of his foundation are blue and gray should let you know that Coach isn't worried about the contract process or leaving Georgetown any time soon. The reality is that the contract process is moving at the pace and tenor that a contract that is this important should. Knock on wood, but the contract should be finalized soon. But feel free to continue to write this crap, I enjoy laughing at the absurdity.
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 13, 2007 18:02:30 GMT -5
Coach is not going anywhere any time soon. The fact that he is kicking off his foundation weekend at Georgetown, that his foundation is based in and supports DC and that the colors of his foundation are blue and gray should let you know that Coach isn't worried about the contract process or leaving Georgetown any time soon. The reality is that the contract process is moving at the pace and tenor that a contract that is this important should. Knock on wood, but the contract should be finalized soon. But feel free to continue to write this crap, I enjoy laughing at the absurdity. This crap
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Post by jerseyhoya34 on Sept 13, 2007 18:37:25 GMT -5
You want the students and alumni to rally? Tell them Esh is coming back if JTIII leaves. Due to the passage of time, Esherick's name recognition on campus has gone down the urinal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2007 18:45:31 GMT -5
I nominate this thread for Dumbest Non-Hifi Thread Ever.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Sept 13, 2007 18:46:07 GMT -5
Well he could still support his foundation if he ended up coaching in Maryland...
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Post by StPetersburgHoya (Inactive) on Sept 13, 2007 19:14:45 GMT -5
I fear Hoyatalk may have just jumped the shark.
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Locker
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Post by Locker on Sept 13, 2007 19:18:04 GMT -5
Donna Martin Must Graduate
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Sept 13, 2007 19:32:38 GMT -5
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Post by hoyastrong on Sept 14, 2007 7:55:04 GMT -5
olson is caving in on the alcohol policy already. e-mail went out yesterday. looks like all the protests actually did work
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