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« Thread Started on Aug 6, 2006, 8:08pm » | |
Your winner in the final round...by technical knockout...
...NUUUUUUUMMMMMMBBBBBBBERRRRRRRRR FIFTY FIVE...
THHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEE BIG MAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNN...
ROY...
HIBBBBBBBBBBERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!
The Kenner League went out with a touch of class this afternoon in (still surprisingly air conditioned) McDonough Arena, as Roy Hibbert, Jessie Sapp, the 3:00pm DW flight out of National Airport, and the rest of The Clyde's took the title with a 108-91 victory over Electro-Lite Two (Electric Boogaloo).
Mercenaries or not, Clyde's brought by far a greater intensity to a well-played finals matchup and deserved every bit of the curtain call given most of their starters in the final minutes of the game. By the middle of the first half, they'd staked their claim to a comfortable lead of around 10 points, and survived a brief Electro-Lite run in the early second half with two runs of their own to put the game out of reach.
Electro-Lite brings some serious talent to the floor, so there was much to look forward to in the matchup. In their #15 (whatever his name is, can't remember) they have one of the few legit centers with the size to physically matchup with Roy Hibbert. In Lonnie Baxter they also have a wily veteran with...well...size is one way to put it I guess.
On his first offensive chance, Roy was stripped in the post, and one wondered whether Electro-Lite was game planning a new disruptive strategy to contain the big man. After two FTs and a missed FG, however, Roy threw down a dunk on a fast break and the game was on for the big man.
Will Thomas was able to successfully push Roy away from the basket in the semifinals, so that the majority of his feeds were traditional back to the basket post entries. Today, Hibbert was able to add variety to the post game, connecting first on an exceptional catch and dunk over Baxter, who despite his veteran-like grasp of the game clearly at this point lacks some physical assets (read: he's kinda hefty now and not nearly as nimble as during his college days).
Those qualities can serve one well, however, and on the following possession Baxter up-faked past Roy on the baseline only to miss the resulting layup.
Tony Bethel's made significant plays for EL-2 throughout the summer as well, but midway through the first half he found himself on the wrong end of Roy Hibbert's outstretched palm, as the big man sent TB's driving layup into the far corner of the court.
At 6:04 of the first half, two key moments of interest to Hoya fans: Roy Hibbert went to the bench after picking up his 3rd foul (you're allowed 6 in KL), and Tyler Crawford emerged after a long stay on the bench.
The truth is, despite the realtively high quality of play, as a Georgetown recap, this wasn't the most interesting game. Aside from Roy's continued dominance of the paint, the most important storyline to emerge from this game was the story of Tyler Crawford and Josh Thornton's day. It's not an especially long one.
Much (well, something) has been made on the board about EL Coach Rodney's use of "mercenary" players for the KL playoffs. One of these players, as MCIGuy pointed out to me in the other thread, is a guard. Well, Tyler plays the two guard position a lot on EL-2. And in the last two games, he's played a lot less. Today, I would put his minutes at around 20-22--meaning he sat for roughly 50% of each half. Long stretches of time went by, in fact, where I didn't have to pay attention wrt the box score to anything EL-2 was doing.
As for Josh Thornton--he didn't play. Not "didn't play much" or "didn't have much of an impact".
DID NOT PLAY
Nobody I talked to had ever seen such a thing in a Kenner League game. And it wasn't like this was a nailbiter--where we leave our story off, Clyde's was up by 10, the halftime score was 47-39, and aside from a brief early spurt to get to a 5 point margin, EL-2 NEVER threatened in the second half, which was at one point a 20+ point game.
Josh Thornton--despite the repeated protests of the crowd and the Georgetown players watching from the upper level--never got in the game. He was suited up, he warmed up, he wasn't injured by what I could see. He simply sat there during the game looking bored, and on several occasions was seen yawning.
Clyde's took off in the second half on their way to a 61 point outburst. Jessie Sapp got things going early on with a rebound quickly converted into an outlet pass and fast break assist. He continued his good momentum soon after with a sharp assist to find Deron Washington for a three.
Sometimes...and this is more true in Kenner League than in the Big East with our particular offense...assist numbers are dependent upon the recipient knocking down the shot. In this game in particular, but throughout the KL, Jessie and the Clyde's guards had a pretty damn good recipient in Deron Washington. I don't know if I'd give him the MVP of the Kenner League (how could it not be Roy?), but Deron Washington was my favorite player to watch this summer. He plays at 100 MPH, can jump through the roof, dives after loose balls, makes jump shots, and in general always attracts your attention as a fan. In all seriousness, there's about half a dozen of us who left the gym today promising we'd watch every Virginia Tech basketball game that we see on TV next season just because of him.
Where Roy Hibbert had to wait until the final minutes of the semifinals last night to deliver the knockout blow to M&A and Will Thomas, he got the fight over with early in the second half on consecutive possessions today. First, he converted a sexy baseline hook off of some great post footwork over Lonnie Baxter. On their ensuing tangle, Roy was having none of Baxter's backdown attempt, holding his ground and returning the shot to sender.
EL-2 was looking a little wobbly.
Hibbert then reached over the crowd and dropped in a putback 2, setting the stage for his running mates to run EL-2 out of the gym
First, Deron Washington went to the reverse on a fast break. Then, as the pace of the game quickened, Jessie Sapp put up his hand to slow down the tempo and calm the situation. I immediately took note and went to write of his poise as a PG and leader and...
....awwwwwww CRAP, there he goes....
and as soon as I could look up, Jessie blew past his defender into the lane, and banked home a floater from just inside the foul line.
At this point the refs should have stopped the fight.
But instead, the crowd was treated to Roy working a running hook shot over #15, feeding an assist cross court from the post, punctuated by Jeff Green and Patrick Ewing Jr. yelling YEAH ROY! and...in a surprise cameo...
Roy Hibbert as a technical free throw shooter (he made them both).
All that was left was the shouting, in particular two lines:
PUT JOSH IN!
Despite the margin (and at least one timeout near the end of the game), the EL coach never even looked at Thornton it seemed.
THREE PEAT
This is the third straight Kenner League title for Roy Hibbert, and he went out of the game at 2:11 to go in the game to a warm ovation from the crowd. Curtain calls followed for Deron Washington and Jessie Sapp. The final horn mercifully put an end to a surprising 108-91 victory for Clyde's, keeping the Kenner League Championship in the restaurant group for another year.
(And, minutes later, putting the contents of a number of our wallets into the Tombs' cash register.)
A well played if not the most suspenseful end to a great (and yeah, really well played) summer of Kenner League action. Only 2+ more months until Midnight Madness!
AHEAD: Unfortunately, it just got about 25% easier to do the PLAYER EVALUATIONS
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« Reply #1 on Aug 6, 2006, 8:19pm » | |
To add to the Josh Thornton situation... he defenetely was not injured. Somebody behind me was yelling like the entire second half to get Josh in, and finally the EL coach yells back, "Don't tell me what to do." At another point Roy looked over at Josh like, "Why aren't you playing?" and Josh just kind of gave him a "I have no idea" gesture.
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« Reply #2 on Aug 6, 2006, 8:24pm » | |
Make an argument for why Thornton should play ahead of Tony Bethel or another guard on the floor for Electro-Lite. This isn't fantasy-land.
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« Reply #3 on Aug 6, 2006, 8:29pm » | |
Quote:| Make an argument for why Thornton should play ahead of Tony Bethel or another guard on the floor for Electro-Lite. This isn't fantasy-land. |
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Its a summer league game in which the outcome was supposedly not in doubt with about ten minutes left. You would think he could have gotten some time in the last few minutes.
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« Reply #4 on Aug 6, 2006, 8:45pm » | |
PLAYER EVALUATIONS
Roy Hibbert: 32 points, 8-11, 16-19 FTs, 9RBs, 2 assists, 2 blocks, 3 turnovers.
Incidentally, I started charting a new stat late in the KL season: the number of times Roy Hibbert was fouled in a game. Today it reached the high point since I've been counting: 10.
This was another game where Roy had to do more than just catch and drop in order to score. His breaking out the running hook shot and his accompanying post footwork was my favorite development of the Kenner League this summer (other than Maryland fans getting their panties in a bunch and mad at me for coming up with "Beavis" Vazquez, which was totally a throw-away joke, but whatever.  ). I watched him at KL prior to his freshman year at Georgetown throw shots all over the backboard and look as awkward as anything I'd ever seen on the basketball court. Now fans go into the game saying things like "I want to see him go for a triple double" and "I wonder if he can pull off 40 and 20".
The only weaknesses I'm seeing in Roy's game right now going forward are three minor ones:
1. He still has difficulty with centers/forwards who can push him out to the perimeter--and smarter, more savvy players (like a Baxter, Mouton, or Thomas in KL) will be able to exploit this to some degree for blow-bys. You DO NOT want any part of him straight up in the post, however.
2. He can be stripped in the post at times. Especially if you double team him and slip a guard under there. He's MUCH better at keeping the ball high and not dribbling once he receives however. Further, if any BE team dares double him like that, they do so at their peril and Jeff Green's delight.
3. He got in foul trouble today. He's still 7 foot 2 and GI-NORMOUS. He's gotta pay attention sometimes to the consequences of throwing the body around after rebounds, etc. People get knocked over for the tiniest thing he does, and it can lead to fouls from aggressive play.
But overall, he owned the game today and just about every game he played this summer. Lots of stuff to look forward to next season. I can't really add any more, except to say that it's been fun watching him.
Jessie Sapp: 10 points, 2-5 from two, 2-2 from three, 5 RBs, 4A, 2 turnovers.
We come now to the players whose roles in the lineup are up for definition. It seems a given that Jessie Sapp will get a large share of 2-guard responsibilities next year, and may be the primary backup PG to Jon Wallace. So what have we learned this summer about him?
Does he provide a solid handle?
He can. He's much more aggressive than Wallace off the dribble (although JW has been working on his penetration as fast break proficiency as well based on this summer's KL games). You see a lot of notes on Jessie that involve him penetrating and taking the ball at the rim or off glass...much more likely to break down a defender. He won't fall away for that shot clock beating jumper like Ashanti Cook, but he'll give us a direct option at the basket that AC didn't as consistently.
Does he make smart decisions?
He can. He makes good decisions on the break, and he works the ball around the perimeter very well--it's just a matter of his teammates converting those chances?
Is he a floor general?
He can be. I was impressed all summer with the way he ran the Clyde's team as the primary ball handler.
Does he make shots?
He can. He was 2-2 today, and I'd like to pull up his shooting numbers for the summer at some point. He doesn't take ill-advised threes like some of the younger Hoya players, which is a plus.
The big question though: all those things Jessie can do--can he do them consistently? That remains to be seen come NCAA season.
Tyler Crawford: 4 points, 2-2, 3 RBs, 1 assist.
As said above, he only played about half the game, and the mercenary types on EL2 were really running the show today.
Tyler's summer improvement has been the most evident among the players IMO. He puts a lot of effort into pre-game warmups, always one of the first out there. Really working on his outside shot and his form--he is absolutely a legitimate outside shooting threat for this team next near, and I don't think you could say that about him last year AT ALL. He's playing much smarter and under control--this is the foul a minute guy from last year, remember. Further, he's gained some valuable experience in the two-guard role, and if I'm guessing I'm slotting him in as the backup SG behind Jessie Sapp.
Josh Thornton: DNP--Coach's Decision.
The story of the summer for him is the decision-making. I watch him every warmup without fail make 4-5 three pointers in a row, and his form is okay--not great but servicable. But he just hasn't made smart decisions on shot selection or when to create/pass the ball. His KL performance in the past created something of a folkloric legend behind "The Dagger". I'm afraid this KL may have killed it. I'll be interested to see what JT3 can do with him in practice to straighten out some of the decision making.
Two months-plus until Midnight Madness and the next RECAP. Have a good Back to School! For the first time in 19 years, I won't be going BTS this time!
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« Reply #5 on Aug 6, 2006, 8:47pm » | |
What happened to Ashanti Cook's mantra -- We're here to win, not to participate?
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« Reply #6 on Aug 6, 2006, 8:48pm » | |
BTW, I'm thinking some kind of "Soooooo...what did we learn from KL?" thread is in order. I don't know how to approach that though--what I do know is that I've got all the recaps I did available and could try to put something together for each player (like the BB/AC RECAP mixtapes). It might be interesting to look at what each player showed over the summer and what everyone who went to Kenner thought about what they saw (a LOT of people from the Board go obviously, and I'm kinda a shy person and I have an IPod that I'm usually listening to pre-game...plus there's that whole "Eeeeeewwww, we're talking about our BOARD NAMES!" thing that people have a hang up about).
Sooooooo...if anyone has any suggestions on how to pull that off, go for it.
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« Reply #7 on Aug 6, 2006, 9:33pm » | |
Bravo, FLHoya. Tremendous work. In fact your best yet. We should start a thread in which everyone gives you thanks for your tremendous contribution these last six weeks.
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« Reply #8 on Aug 6, 2006, 9:51pm » | |
Quote:| Make an argument for why Thornton should play ahead of Tony Bethel or another guard on the floor for Electro-Lite. This isn't fantasy-land. |
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You can probably say the same thing once October/November rolls around. And the same people who have been posting for the past couple months that Thornton should be getting PT this coming season will probably be at it again right before the season starts (although I must say they've been far more quiet in the past month or so... I wonder what the reason is.. .:) ). Fact of the matter is, Thornton has not yet proven himself able to contribute. I wasn't there for most of the games, but from reading all these recaps that several of you have been kind enough to take the time to write, it seems like Tyler, Marc, and Jessie are at least showing some signs of improvement, even if it's just a summer league. And those are the guys I expect to be in the running for the battle to start at the 2 guard. I'm really pulling for Tyler to get some PT this year, as he's put in 2 solid years of hard work and I'd like to see him reap the rewards of his efforts soon.
I hope Josh proves me wrong and somehow lifts his game up a notch from now till the start of the season. But can anyone be confident that'll happen based on how he performed this year at KL? The answer is a resounding no.
And congrats to Roy and Jessie on their KL win.
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« Reply #9 on Aug 6, 2006, 9:51pm » | |
FL, great recap, but Roy was not limited last year by offensive questions.
When he left the game, most of the time it was because he couldn't keep up with an opposing center on the defensive end of the court. Any thoughts on that?
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« Reply #10 on Aug 6, 2006, 10:10pm » | |
What we learned this summer:
1) Roy's development curve has not slowed and that's a scary thought.
2) JW continues to work his @ss off to improve the areas of his game that are lacking and is still deadly from 3.
3) Jessie Sapp can be a starter on a top 10 team - but it remains to be seen if he can be consistent.
4) Thorton will not play a role on this team next year.
5) Summers and Macklin will see significant playing time - Macklin's foul shot is inspired by Shaq's.
6) PE2, Crawford, Egerson, Spann, and Rivers are all question marks.
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« Reply #11 on Aug 6, 2006, 10:24pm » | |
When he left the game, most of the time it was because he couldn't keep up with an opposing center on the defensive end of the court.
I disagree to an extent.
At least half the times Roy left the floor because, for some reason, his teammates were not feeding him the ball, which pretty much meant he wasn't having any effect on offense and III would pull him in favor of Owens. If you look at some games from last season Roy had to sit after five or so minutes in which he wasn't getting burned by the opposing center but rather seemed "lost" in the offensive scheme.
Actually a couple of times he did not get off to a good start on offense even when he did receive touches in the first initial minutes. As a result he got to hook which would at times frustrate me. After all Jeff, Ashanti and Brandon could get off to bad starts at well but stay in the game longer (although Brandon may have sat out the first few minutes of the second half). I think sometimes Roy needed to stay on the floor and find his groove rather than having to take a seat next to the coaches. Even NBA superstars gret off to slow starts in games so why expect more from a college player?
And for those games in which Roy appeared to be a bit of a defensive liability sometimes, as far as I'm concerned it would have still been better to keep him on the floor. The reason being is that while he may be at disadvantage on the defensive end against smaller and quicker players, he presents at least that same disadvantage to the opposing team on the other side of the court when he's posting up. Of course to take advantage of that his teammates would have to toss him the ball rather than jack up threes in games in which they were shooting well and especially in games in which they weren't. Games like the one at Marquette comes to mind in which you scratch your head wondering why the Hoyas are shooting jumpers (and missing badly) and turning over the ball during weak drives rather than throw it into the big man who is having more success. Hopefully this season there will be less of that. Not only because Roy may improve his footwork on defense, but because the team realizes that he gives them a better chance at making a field goal. He's too efficient to get the little amount of shots as he did last season. And summer league or no summer league---his fg% for this Kenner League is sick. I for one pray his stamina is much improved form previous years. But even if it isn't take advantage of him while he is on the court by (stealing from a well known NFL receiver) giving him the damn ball as much as possible while he's fresh.
StPete, how are Ewing, Spann, Egerson bigger question marks than Sapp? Sapp proved he can handle the rock but the Hoyas weren't in need of a point guard but an actual scorer from the two position. Also based on reports Ewing, Egerson and Spann have had as good a summer as Macklin with the latter two finishing their KL especially strong. I'm not doubting the abilities of Macklin or Summers but have any of them proven themselves more this summer than some of the other players you mentioned?
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« Reply #12 on Aug 7, 2006, 12:33am » | |
Wonderful treatise, MCI. Did you actually have an answer for my question, regardless of your view of how many games Roy had to leave b/c of defensive issues?
Has his lateral quickness improved?
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« Reply #13 on Aug 7, 2006, 1:11am » | |
I only went to the KL once this summer. The one Clyde's game I caught that weekend Roy only played for a little over half a game because of foul trouble and the big guy he was guarding stayed inside the paint and wasn't all that swift from what I can tell. So its not fair for me to say anything about his lateral quickness on D. That's why I wrote above Roy "may" have improved his footwork on defense. You have to ask FLHoya to be sure. I thought his running of the court that game, though, was some of the worst I've seen of him in awhile. I'm guessing (hoping) that was an aberration.
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« Reply #14 on Aug 7, 2006, 6:06am » | |
thanks alot for the recaps over this entire summer league...idont think we coulda asked for a better summer for roy
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« Reply #15 on Aug 7, 2006, 8:04am » | |
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Let me clarify...it wasn't as much physical as effort on his part when it cme to his running up and down the court. He seemed to be taking it to easy. It was my theory he was making his teammates suffer a bit for not giving him the ball.
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« Reply #16 on Aug 7, 2006, 8:31am » | |
Noticed that Red Auerbach sat and watched the game with Coach Thompson...nice to see those two know how to enjoy their Sunday afternoon.
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« Reply #17 on Aug 7, 2006, 8:51am » | |
Quote:| What happened to Ashanti Cook's mantra -- We're here to win, not to participate? |
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I think most of us just thought that once the game was out of reach with no chance of winning at the very least then he would get some playing time.
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« Reply #18 on Aug 7, 2006, 8:53am » | |
If he was yawning and looked bored on the ench though, I dont know how important it would be for me to get him in the game. Seems to me he might have a lil attitude problem.
He also has skinny little chicken legs.
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« Reply #19 on Aug 7, 2006, 9:09am » | |
From what I have taken out of all of the recaps -- with no intention at all to demean any of the players -- I have seen nothing to change some assumptions that I have had all along:
1. Seems that Sapp did not do anything to hurt, and may have helped, the generally assumed idea that he will be a starter;
2. Although Egerson and Crawford had some flashes of success, nothing suggests to me that they will receive significant playing time; same goes for Thornton but without the 'flashes of success' part;
3. Jury is still out on how successful Ewing will be (I still have my doubts that he will be a big-time player for us), but he will probably start and / or see significant playing time.
4. Summers and Macklin, and possibly Rivers, will likely receive PT this year, and probably leapfrog the bench players from last year (with the exception of Sapp).
Of course, extrapolating anything (postive or negative) from Kenner performance is as and exercise in futility (but fun nonetheless). My friends and I called this the "Johnny Jones" effect -- if you remember him, he played like "Baby Jordan" in Kenner, but did not live up to those expectations for the Hoyas.
Thanks to all for the recaps!
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